There is always a great effect on the followers of a religion if any major follower among them change his religion..as they try to know the circumstances and reasons that caused that person to change his religion…which is the most important and crucuial decsion of ones life…
Now …my question is is there any dialogue i n qadianee ommunity intiated after the sudden flow of conversion from qadianiat(i am sorry but i cant write them as ahmedi) to islam…what were thereason that caused them to change thier religion…and most of them converting the religon and embracing islam are educated lot of qadianees…like shaikh raheel of germany…so with out causing any violation of moratoriam …can some qadianee tell me about the effect on qadianees of this sudden conversion to islam…
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*Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad: *
i'll give you the view of a non-qadiani.
we should have such posts.. posts about Sunnis changing their religion and embracing Islam would be a good read too.. right??
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ofcourse...we'll discuss the reasons why so many sunnis (educated ones) all of a sudden started changing thier religion ...of course...open another thread...i am waiting...
Here's a thought .... more than 200 Muslims died in a stampede in the holiest city in Islam. A million Aids orphans will somehow have to get by this year without their parents. In every spot on the planet, Muslims are dying due partially to the inactions and laziness of their own governments. Muslim blood is spilling in Iraq, Palestine, Kashmir, Afghanistan. How about we concentrate on that, and less on pointing fingers at others since we are not in a position to judge others. Let them meet their fate with Allah, and let us meet ours. Why are you in such a rush to hasten this justice ? Justice will be meted out to each individual. Do we not have enough sins of our own accord, that we have the luxury to worry about others' sins ? Are you taking over Allah's responsibilities [Nauzubillah] ? Do you have a clean slate of no sins, are you not worried enough about your own life. WHY do we always have to create more divisions amongst ourselves. We're playing right into our own suicide.
Okey doke, now throw your tamaatars at me everyone.
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**WHY do we always have to create more divisions amongst ourselves*. We're playing right into our own suicide.
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Here's a thought .... more than 200 Muslims died in a stampede in the holiest city in Islam. A million Aids orphans will somehow have to get by this year without their parents. In every spot on the planet, Muslims are dying due partially to the inactions and laziness of their own governments. Muslim blood is spilling in Iraq, Palestine, Kashmir, Afghanistan. How about we concentrate on that, and less on pointing fingers at others since we are not in a position to judge others. Let them meet their fate with Allah, and let us meet ours. Why are you in such a rush to hasten this justice ? Justice will be meted out to each individual. Do we not have enough sins of our own accord, that we have the luxury to worry about others' sins ? Are you taking over Allah's responsibilities [Nauzubillah] ? Do you have a clean slate of no sins, are you not worried enough about your own life. **WHY do we always have to create more divisions amongst ourselves. We're playing right into our own suicide.*
Okey doke, now throw your tamaatars at me everyone.
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No tamators........just one thing........u can take it as tamator if u want to .....
Some time u have to cut that part of ur body which if not cut will toxicate the whole body...same is the case with religion.....some sects like gohar shaihi and sundry if not discussed will only cause layman to belive that they belng to islam and thus will effect the muslim ummah....muslim ummahs ijmah on certain sect is binding on us muslims....so no need to doubt that...
as far as muslim oppression is concerned...thats exactly what will mostly benefit is these sects are removed from the islamic register....as they oppose jihad and are no more then islamisised version of jewism....no need to discus that ..consider this oftopic....
now regarding my question ...i have just asked what are the eefect of conversion on qadiyane community ..........thats all...
I think your post will be deleted or closed.
You have put up an interesting question.
I posted an article about conversion of Hindu lady to Islam.
But It seems that mods are not interested in that one.
But closed the thread about the OTHER conversion.
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*Originally posted by Nadia_H: *
Here's a thought .... more than 200 Muslims died in a stampede in the holiest city in Islam. A million Aids orphans will somehow have to get by this year without their parents. In every spot on the planet, Muslims are dying due partially to the inactions and laziness of their own governments. Muslim blood is spilling in Iraq, Palestine, Kashmir, Afghanistan. How about we concentrate on that, and less on pointing fingers at others since we are not in a position to judge others. Let them meet their fate with Allah, and let us meet ours. Why are you in such a rush to hasten this justice ? Justice will be meted out to each individual. Do we not have enough sins of our own accord, that we have the luxury to worry about others' sins ? Are you taking over Allah's responsibilities [Nauzubillah] ? Do you have a clean slate of no sins, are you not worried enough about your own life. WHY do we always have to create more divisions amongst ourselves. We're playing right into our own suicide.
He just asking about conversion. What has Allah(SWT) responsibilities got to do with it. What ever you have written is OFF TOPIC.
Leave my brother alone.
You are asking about divisions. When ever I read your posts
they seem to be creating divisions.
I posted an article about conversion of Hindu lady to Islam.
But It seems that mods are not interested in that one.
But closed the thread about the OTHER conversion.
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ever heard of urdu saying: "chor kee daaRhi maiN tinka"?
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**No tamators........just one thing........u can take it as tamator if u want to ..... Some time u have to cut that part of ur body which if not cut will toxicate the whole body...same is the case with religion.....some sects like gohar shaihi and sundry if not discussed will only cause layman to belive that they belng to islam and thus will effect the muslim ummah....muslim ummahs ijmah on certain sect is binding on us muslims....so no need to doubt that...
as far as muslim oppression is concerned...thats exactly what will mostly benefit is these sects are removed from the islamic register....as they oppose jihad and are no more then islamisised version of jewism....no need to discus that ..consider this oftopic....
now regarding my question ...i have just asked what are the eefect of conversion on qadiyane community ..........thats all...
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Thank you. At least you gave a rational reply, and i appreciate that.
Khair you and i have our differences, i am not certain who is right or wrong. i just wanted to have my say.
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**He just asking about conversion. What has Allah(SWT) responsibilities got to do with it. What ever you have written is OFF TOPIC. Leave my brother alone. You are asking about divisions. When ever I read your posts they seem to be creating divisions.
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If he is your brother, am i not your sister ? What entitles him to a respectful reply, and to me - none ? If you had written it half respectfully, i would have at least respected your reply while i still maintained the right to disagree with it.
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*Originally posted by bao bihari: *
Now ....my question is is there any dialogue i n qadianee ommunity intiated after the sudden flow of conversion from qadianiat(i am sorry but i cant write them as ahmedi) to islam.......what were thereason that caused them to change thier religion.....and most of them converting the religon and embracing islam are educated lot of qadianees.......like shaikh raheel of germany..........
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I can't answer your question bcz I really don't know about any dialogue or anything like that... however, I just wanted to know whats the background of this basic part of your post. Any weblinks or anything which throws some more light on the basic premise of your post will help me understand the issue here. Thank you and Eid Mubarak to you too.
Some time u have to cut that part of ur body which if not cut will toxicate the whole body…same is the case with religion
“Maybe it was because I was little and didn’t notice anything like that when I was at the masjids before, but it seems more and more increasingly the status of the masjids I go to are deteriorating. The only unity I see there are on either side of whoever’s side you want to take. There is bickering inside the musalla, and it might as well be a pack of wild dogs ripping my masjid apart. It’s already divided in fact, a group of people has decided they are not going to be a part of our community anymore and are going to start one of their own. This is ridiculous and inexcusable. No way in hell could any good come out of any group”
If he is your brother, am i not your sister ? What entitles him to a respectful reply, and to me - none ? If you had written it half respectfully, i would have at least respected your reply while i still maintained the right to disagree with it.
No wonder there is no unity amongst us Muslims.
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read your post in this thread and you shall have your answer.
Faisal Bhai is one of the few who has actually attempted to answer the original question put forth in this thread by Bao Bihari. *. Does anyone have any answers to this?
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I can't answer your question bcz I really don't know about any dialogue or anything like that... however, I just wanted to know whats the background of this basic part of your post. Any weblinks or anything which throws some more light on the basic premise of your post will help me understand the issue here. Thank you and Eid Mubarak to you too.
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the background of this post is the recent high conversion wave from qadiyania to islam…i particularly noticed in reported in dawn/jang and all other paki newspapers…but as i dont have that much time to reasearch the topic on net …u can ask qadianee brother about shikh raheel …he recently converted to islam …he was head of germany qadiyanee mssion…and was the main aim of this topic …why he and others have left …i just want the qadiyani perspective about this…
and yes…if some in qadiyanee community ont know about this conversion ,…what can i say ,…this conversion along with 2/3 others caused rift in qadiyanee circles…inshallah will try to give linnk …after eid …
Even during the initial times of the Ummah when the Kuffar were doing their best to destroy Islam, even within Islam there were battles being fought…Those battles were being fought for only one purpose, and that was to preserve the sanctity and purity of Islam…Even when the Romans were attacking the Ummah, Hazrat Ali :kaw: was waging a war upon those who refused to pay Zakat…
Wars are not only fought in Islam against enemies that attack it from outside but also from enemies that attack it from inside, like Qadiyanyiat, which seeks to fool and misguide millions of people who wish to be brought to Islam…Keeping this sanctity intact and blemish free is the duty of all Muslims, and to try and be politically correct about it, is corrupting yourself and the teachings of Islam…
This purging of the bad seeds in Islam is a priority for every Muslim who believes in the Quran as the final message and the finality Prophethood in the Holy Prophet :saw:…
Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiyani and Qadiyanyiat is as much a part of Islam as Hinduism and Buddhism. As long as they keep calling themselves Muslims, they will be persecuted InshAllah, unless they come up with a new affiliation for their faith…
First of all, Sheikh Raheel or whatever his name is, never was the president of Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam, Germany.
As long as I can remember the president of Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam, Germany is a german by birth and his name is Abdullah Wagushauser . He is a president of Germany Jamaat for at least 6/7 years.
