like Qadiyanyiat, which seeks to fool and misguide millions of people who wish to be brought to Islam…
What do you mean by"brought". Man, change it to “bought” as
in buying and selling..
My Bangladeshi friend has been propositioned to convert to
Kadianism and get $. But he refused.
Don’t get me wrong. I don’t dislike Kadianis.They are as much Pakistani
as I am. But they have to understand that distorting facts about Prophet Muhammad(SAW) and Hazrat Essa(AS) Jesus will only hurt the feelings of 500 million Muslims of Pak, India and Bangladesh.
take care
Oh somebody mentioned Millions. I present to you 800 million. I guess.
The Muslim Council of Britain estimates that the group has no more than a million members worldwide(kadianism).
Sunnism, on the other hand, has a native land which stretches all the way from Morocco to the Phillipines and Indonesia; it is a major religion in Russia and China, and in Africa; its members speak all of the world’s major languages. Yet despite all this diversity, they all follow four schools of law .A Sunni Muslim from Morocco would find the “religion” of Indonesia, Kenya or Pakistan not dissimilar from his own. This is a miraculous proof of the Truth of Islam, and this situation remained through centuries when there were no telephones or computer networks.
I know some people may talk about differences. I am
ready with all the answers. Just ask…
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*Originally posted by fatehahmad: *
Mr. Bao Bihari,
First of all, Sheikh Raheel or whatever his name is, never was the president of Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam, Germany.
As long as I can remember the president of Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam, Germany is a german by birth and his name is Abdullah Wagushauser . He is a president of Germany Jamaat for at least 6/7 years.
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shaikh raheel post is not purpose of the thread...it was his or others position in the community who reverted bak to islam...........atleast most of them were at high positons.......
what i want to know is.......what is the respos of community -comon qadiyanee especially about this sudden wave of reversions........
I have studied Qadiyanism in quite detail, let say if i were to be a Qadiyani (Nawoosbillah), I would have gone to the roots of my religion. and then go to the roots of Islam. I would have found nothing but the sole fact that my religion is a branch of Islam. Now, I call my self an educated person, and though by birth, I might have been a Qadiyani, but reaching the age of 24 I would have realized that there is something wrong with the basics of my religion. After reading Quran and reading one plain fact so many times in quran " Mohammad :saw: the last prophet", just for that one statment, I would have routed back my self to main religion Islam and MAY BE keep Mirza Ghulam ahamed a respected figure.
^^ Thats what I would have done and, most likely thats what happend to that guy you are pointing to. Allah knows the best, and yes just like you I would like to hear a Qadiyani response here.
-Salman
As some of the opponents of Jamaat Ahmadiyya wants you to believe, the reversion of Sheikh Raheel or people like him doesn't have any adverse effect on Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam. I am sure that you would not believe it and you would keep thinking it may have demoralized Jamaat Ahmadiyya but that is the case and Allah is witness to it.
And to remind you again that Sheikh Raheel never hold a very high position in Jamaat Ahmadiyya Germany. Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam is a very organized Jamaat and in USA alone they have around 50 chapters with respective presidents and its organizing committe. So if one of the members of these committees would Naozobillah dessert Jamaat Ahmadiyya, it would not be a matter of grave concern for us.
Of course we feel pitty for these people and pray for them that Allah would give them Hidayat but this Jamaat is a being helped by Allah. so we leave the matter on him. If one or two members are leaving Jamaat Ahmadiyya, many more are also entering into its folds.
Well i thought u al know him quite well…if some body could search thenet to find reports about him…he converted some 10 days before qadiyanee ijtimah in germany in which mirza masroor came…
Now some important points to be answered in ur posts are…
1-u have 50 chapters in america…thats good ..even better then this is u hold office in haifa which is considerd out of bound for mulim preachers …other community holding this unique award is bhaiees…what a perfect company …
2-So the conversion dont bug u or ur community ..thats good…now then why suden rush of conversions then ..most of them saying they were inspired by shaikh raheel and company …as they knew the jammaat more closely…other inspirational event was the conversion of first arabic(palestinian)qadiyanee family back to islam…
:oftopic:can u plz tell me how to become qadiyanee…no more finality of prophethood..no more beliving in quranic ayahs…how do u make some one qadiyanee…
3-plz dont give me an official reply on the conversions…the rates u guys propogate about the conversion to qadiyanees …if it were true then whole wrld wouldhave been qadiyanee by now…be realistic and tell me how common qadiyanee feel …and if possible the official response (statement )issued by the qadiyanee jamaat n the conversion of shaikh raheel …
There was no official statement from Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam after the conversion of Sheikh Raheel and Jamaat doesn't need to issue any statement. We do feel pitty for him and pray for him that Allah give him Hidayat.
Jamaat Ahmadiyya is established in then palestine, now Israel some twenty years before the creation of state of Israel. I believe that in present day haifa, Palestenians who happened to be Muslims still live there and also goes to the mosques for praying. Should we also consider them Israeli agents based on your theory.
And we don't have any foreign mubaligh working in Israel. All of them are local Palestinian Ahmadi Muslims.
And to become an Ahmadi Muslim, one has to believe that Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadian is the same Promised Messiah and Imam Mehdi as prophesised by the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him).
Ofenbach: (Germany) One of the central leaders of the Ahmadiyya/Qadiani Jamaat, Shaikh Raheel Ahmad embraced Islam in Masjid Tawheed Islamic Center, alongwith his son-in-law and nine other members of his family. Shaikh Raheel Ahmad said, “I was a born Qadiani (Ahmadi) and after studying for several years and pondering over it, I have come to the conclusion that the Jamaat of Ahmadiyya Qadiani group is not a sect of Islam, rather it is a corporation which collects money in the name of religion. I have held several posts in the Jamaat for a long time, and for this reason several things have come into my knowledge, due to which I thought it more appropriate that I should leave this Jamaat and break my relation with this system of exploitation in the name of religion and come into the fold of true service of the holy Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh). He also invited the present Qadiani leader, Mirza Masroor Ahmad, and the entire Qadiani Jamaat to embrace Islam. (Reported in Daily Ummat, Karachi, Pakistan, 27.8.2003)
I am not confining myself to Sheikh Raheel, it was your original post that mentioned Sheikh Raheel. It would be you who would keep mentioning the names of three or four ex-Ahmadis who have left Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam. because you would just go to some Anti-Ahmadiyya websites and keep posting what is written over there.
Regarding anybody leaving the jamaat after seeing the so called truth, I can only say that if somebody wants to go astray, you can only pray. You may remember Abdullah bin Abi Sarah. He was one of the scribes of the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him). His job was write down the Holy Quran. Evan he became apostate and ran away to Mecca. Can the dessertion of Abdullah bin Abi Sarah be used to make an argument that Islam is Naozobillah a false religion.
And About the Jamaat Ahmadiyya's perspective on this desertion, I have already told you that we feel pity for these people and pray for them that Allah give them Hidayat. Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam is a Jamaat helped by Allah and we can only pray.
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*Originally posted by bao bihari: *
**Shaikh Raheel Ahmad said, “I was a born Qadiani (Ahmadi) and after studying for several years and pondering over it, I have come to the conclusion that the Jamaat of Ahmadiyya Qadiani group is not a sect of Islam, rather it is a corporation which collects money in the name of religion.
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Brothers:
There is no many years of research required to find out the fundamentals of Islam. It is very simple that the finality of Prophet hood is one of the basic part of E’maan. They should quit Jamat e Qadiyania ASAP.
It not a corporation even. It’s like a company with family ownership (Mirza & Sons Ltd.) selling false believes among ignorant. Indian Mirza taught them how to beg for money in his company’s books like Chunda Collectors in Indian sub continent. He advertised too.
A common person has no chance for raise and promotion in status. They just have to follow the policies of they company, pay tax and fire as a reward. Wasalaam!
it looks that you don't have a clue about the belief system of Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam and its working. I would recommend you to go www.alislam.org to get yourself acquainted.
Please expand your horizon by reading some material on that website rather than going to the same Anit-Ahmadiyya propagana sites again and again and again.
This discussion is closed. Read Bao Bihari's comments again in his original post to find out what he actually intended to discuss versus what this thread has become.
Take it up with the ADMIN if you have a problem digesting the above.
