effect of pakistan on pathan's racism

Before 1947 pashtuns were considered noble people becauz of their noble qualities,. They ruled india 3 times and were as ruling and warrior people. As they were dominant on Indian races therefore this brought them to consider thereselves superior to locals. At their peak of power in India they used to pray in separate mosques instead with locals. In their initial colonization of India, the half pathans were not considered as equal as pure pathans. Pathans raised mutiny against sikndar lodhi, the ruler of India, just because his mother was Indian.
Pathans of N.w.F.P were more strict and turned against syed ahmad shaheed bcozhe demande pashtun wives for himself and his Indian mujahideens from locals.
That’s why there are so many khans in India bcoz low caste hindus after converting to islam used khan surname and called theseves pathans bcoz pathans were superior people and were feared by locals.

But today being pakistnai they are now in defensive mood. They are selling their daughters to punjabies. Many modern and educated pathan families are hiding their pathan idenititu bcoz they have become symbol of backwardness.

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Ahh that's how salman khan , shahrukh khan and others got khan lastnames

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"They are selling their daughters to punjabies. Many modern and educated pathan families are hiding their pathan idenititu bcoz they have become symbol of backwardness."

Do they sell them on Ebay?

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RH thats not fair what you said.
Every race has their own scum. No need to talk about that.

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knockout, what was unfair, i don't understand what u mean. The first bit about selling was quoted from Afghan Prince, the Ebay comment was an indication of how silly i find this nonsense.

What is this thread about? I think it should be closed.

  1. pashtuns did nt rule india 3 times - they ruled northern india not the whole of india.

  2. the name khan is a name of the mongols. its not a a pashtun or afghan name. khan is commonly used by mughals who from the mongols, by pashtuns, rajputs, awans, baloch.....i also know of jatts, raja's, gilgitis who also use the khan surname.

  3. they sell daughters to pujabis? what does that mean? why not other races? i think what you have said happens but it afects less than 5% of the pathan population......

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At their peak of power in India they used to pray in separate mosques instead with locals. In their initial colonization of India, the half pathans were not considered as equal as pure pathans. Pathans raised mutiny against sikndar lodhi, the ruler of India, just because his mother was Indian.
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Oh wow how great MOMINEEN these people were considering afghans consider themselves the best muslims and your daughter sold to punjabis comment is prolly to make afghan islam superior to punjabi islam.

PS Are you sure they didn't pray in synagogues? :)

what pre tell is the point of this thread?
to honour pathans or to bash them?

--confusion-- :s

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^ To cause a fight, perhaps?

i find it hard to believe that they sold their daughters to Punjabi's. An official link agian would be great rather then someone's exagerated assumtions.

Pathans have a habit of over glorifying themselves and interpreting history to suit their over blown egos. A lot written by 'Afghan Prince' is based on his ethnic racism and pride and the hurt to his ego because some Pathans are marrying with Punjabis (and Balochis, Sindhis, Muhajirs).

If you look at History Pathans never ruled India 3 times. 10 years of self styled Sher Khan does not constitute a Dynasty.

If you go to original sources of history not to fairy tales you will what happened and what is still happening. Pathans have won and have been defeated like all other communities however Pathans have made their defeats into fairy tales. Case in point when Babur pillaged and crushed the Pathans in the present tribal areas he demaded the daughter of Shah Mansur Yusufzai as submission from the tribe. However the Pathans have made that defeat into a fairy tale of Babur dressing up as a qalandar and wooing Bibi Mubaraka which no historian agrees to. Even the modern Pathans don't agree with this.

If you start with Ghaznavi, they were 100% Turk tribes. In fact they fought against Hindu/Buddhist/Atheist/Animast Pashtun tribes to control these areas. The founder of the dynasty was Sebüktigin (ruled 977–997), a former Turkish slave who was recognized by the Samanids (a Persian Muslim dynasty) as governor of Ghazna. As the Samanid dynasty weakened, Sebüktigin consolidated his position and expanded his domains as far as the Indian border.

Muslim historians Ibn Haukal, Utbi and Alberuni are ALL unanimous that uptill the time of Mahmud Ghaznavi i.e. almost four hundred years after the death of the Prophet, most of the Afghans were still non-Muslims. Mahmud Ghaznavi 'had to fight against the infidel Afghans in the Sulaiman mountains.' Even 200 years later in the encounter between Mohammad Ghori and Prithviraj in 1192 A.D., according to Farishta, Hindu/Buddhist/Animist/Pagan/Shamanist/Zoroastrian Afghans were fighting on the side of the Rajput Chief. The cavalry flank of Prithvi Raj Chauhan was made up of Afghans.

After that Mongols invaded these lands and ravaged and pillaged Herat, Balkh and most of Afghanistan. After that the Timurid dynasty rose who was a Tatar/Mongol with strong backing of Uzbek Turks. Again nothing to do with Pashtuns. Prior to arrival of Mughals even Kandahar was ruled by Arghun who are Mongol (ILKHanate) tribe.

Afterwards you had Babur the Mughal invading. He was a Chughtai Turk and even documented the pillars of Afghan heads he created in his own book "Tuzk-e-Babri". In his own book Babur writes:

"...Marching out of Kohat, we took the Hangu-road for Bangash. Between Kohat and Hangu that road runs through a valley shut in on either hand by the mountains. When we entered this valley, the Afghans of Kohat and thereabouts who were gathered on both hill-skirts, raised their war-cry with great clamour. Our then guide, Malik Bu-sa'id Kamarl was well-acquainted with the Afghan locations ; he represented that further on there was a detached hill on our right, where, if the Afghans came down to it from the hill-skirt, we might surround and take them. God brought it right! The Afghans, on reaching the place, did come down. We ordered one party of braves to seize the neck of land between that hill and the mountains, others to move along its sides, so mat under attack made from all sides at once, the Afghans might be made to reach their doom. Against the all around assault, they could not even fight; a hundred or two were taken, some were brought in alive but of most, the heads only were brought. We had been told that when Afghans are powerless to resist, they go before their foe with grass between their teeth, this being as much as to say, " I am your cow." Here we saw this custom ; Afghans unable to make resistance, came before us with grass between their teeth. Those our men had brought in as prisoners were ordered to be beheaded and a pillar of their heads was set up in our camp..."

You can read his biography where he writes about his war on the Yusufzais, quite different from the Pashtun fairly tale of Babur dressing up as a Qalandar.

Moving on, when Babur invaded India and fought an epic battle with the Rajput Chief 'Rana Sanka' (considered a battle betweeen Muslims and Hindus) , the Rajputs had with them Mahmud Lodhi, out to avenge his father's defeat with 10,000 Afghans. Most of the Afghan perished along with the Rajputs defeat against Babur's army.

When Akbar was the emperor of the Mughal empire and this included Kabul and Kandahar there were two rebellions both were crushed by Rajput armies of the Mughals. Even in the twilight of the Mughal empire, Emperor Aurangzeb sent in Rajput chief (Raja Jaswant Singh) to punishing the Afghans for their rebellion.

Finally the favourite of Pashtuns, Ahmed abdali came on the heels of Nadir Shah Afshar Qazilbash (the Persian King). However right after the death of Ahmed Abdali the ares East of Khyber were quickly lost to the Ranjit Singhs army.

When the Sikh were fighting their 3rd and final battle against the British the Afghan king even sent a 5000 strong cavalry (hoping this alliance would help them take Peshawar), however as soon as the Sikhs were defeated the Afghan cavalry ran back to Khyber non-stop!

Later on the British even helped supported the Afghan kings in their war against Persia (First Ango-Persian war which took Herat from Persia for Afghans) and even gave money and arms to the ruling Afghan dynasty as part of their great game strategy against Tsarist Russia and Iran. Until 1910 the foreign policy of so called Afghanistan was controlled by British empire and the so called Afghan king was given a Stipend by the British every year.

However if you talk with Pakistani Pashtoons or Afghan Pashtuns they seem to claim to rule the moon and sun. Similar to Bibi Mubaraka-Babur fairy tales.

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History shows Muslims fighting for Hindu kings, and Hindus fighting for Muslim kings.
Muslims killed Muslims, and Hindus killed Hindus etc.
From the above, I summarize that, all the wars were not Hindu Muslim wars
- just wars for loot, land, women and profit.

Come on guys... Everyone else hates us Muzlums/Mozlems nowadays, at least we can get on with each other.

All colors and ethnic groups are equal.

I respect everyone, I don't care whether they're Somali, Gujarati, Punjabi, Malayali, Bengali, White or Pashtun as long as they're Muslim.. Or even Non-Muslims as long as they don't hate me or my religion.

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There is no such thing as pure-blooded Pashtuns.

This is a fantasy, Pashtuns are an amalagam of different races just like anyone else.

Like any other ethnic group the Pashtuns have always been a mixture of Aryan, Dravidian, Turkic, Arab, Hebrew, Greek and other races and ethnicities who assimilated into the Pashtun fold over the centuries.

Anyone who speaks Pashto as their mother-tongue/first-language is a Pashtun.

It's the same with Punjabis who are a mixture of Brahmin, Khatri, Jatt etc. descent which all came from different races and different parts of the world and now they're all Punjabi...

...and with Brits who are a mixture of Anglo-Saxons, Romans, Celts...

It's the way of the world, you can't stop it, you're living in a fantasy world if you believe in racial/ethnic purity...

I know Punjabis who looked down on Pashtuns and their sisters have run away and had love marriages with Pashtuns... I know Pashtuns who thought they were better than Punjabis and their own daughters have legged it with Punjabi boys... I guess Allah served them right for their arrogance and their izzat and gherat came to nothing.

Even in your families people will marry non-Pashtuns. If not today maybe your grandson will think "grandad was a backward racist old fart, I want to marry a Gujarati girl or Punjabi or Malayali, or Tamil girl regardless of what he thinks" and he will show u the middle finger.. Might aswell leave your retarted views and get with the times to avoid dissapointment and heartbreak...

I don't know why anyone would want to be a pureblood anyway..

We mixed ethnicity people are the hottest...

I consider myself a Pashtun because my paternal family are Pashtun and lineage is parernal but I prefer Punjabi kurris, Mexican chicas and Gujarati chokris over Pashtanas any day...

I agree. :k:

We are not very objective.

We only like a very romanticised version of history which only shows us as all tough and hard or we spit our dummies out.

Pashtuns are great noble people no doubt but they’re human, not god.

Every ethnicity has it’s kings and slaves and Pashtuns are no exception.

You mentioned Babar, not just him… But Maharaja Ranjit Singh too a Punjabi drove Pashtuns out from Peshawar and gave them a good thrashing but we will brush all that under the carpet or try and explain it away, lol..

…I don’t mention the above incident to insult Pashtuns but to show that Pashtuns are not gods, everyones wins and everyone looses and Pashtuns too win some and lost some.

If Pashtuns want respect they’ll have to start showing it to others. What goes round comes round…

probably for the financial reasons........... punjabis make the highest bid........... lols

i think this thread is a nonsense..........

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True,

I guess the only asset we Pashtuns have is our over-glorified, romanticised history that's why our people are so angry and they keep trying stroke their lil egos about how once we were this and once that...

...All that grandeur has become dust now, we need to live in today and look to the future.

Today our children are rag pickers, let's do something to change their future.. Our people are security guards at best.. Punjabis are not responsible for that we are.

We need to stop scapegoating all Punjabis or Urdudans..

All Punjabis are not responsible for the apathy of some corrupt politicians towards Pashtun areas..

We ourselves are responsible for our backwardness..

The mentality Afghan Prince is exhibiting in this thread is responsible for our backwardness.

We need to realise that our own stubborness in clinging to old customs in the name of pride, our rejection of education in the name of "our own" ways and our own petty disputes (Afghan Pashtun vs. Paki Pashtun, Durrani vs. Yusupzai, Pureblood vs. Mudblood etc.) are getting in the way of our progress...

..The rest of the world has reached the moon and all we care about is whether we're descended from some Turkish Sultan or the Bani Israel.

We can blame Punjabis, ISI, Arabs, West etc. all we want but we ourselves are the main and biggest culprits and untill we realise this no amount of finger-pointing will remedy the situation.

We ourselves will have to take intiative to change.. Get rid of the hate and the self-righteousness. Educate, stop being so skeptical about everyone and everything..

Making imaginary images in photoshop about how Pashtun areas will one day become like Dubai will not make them true.

Nor will a false over-romanticised history help us...

Nor will hating amongst ourselves based on tribe and purity or on other ethnicities...

Nosherwan, dont be stupid. Pathans are upright people and they are pride of entire Muslim world. their history is ours. They are our brothers and our own.
So are Tajiks, Uzbecks, Kurds, hazaras, Arabs, farsis, Checans, turks, bengalis, Somali etc. they are all ours.

pushtoon are ok like other nations ......... beside majority of the pushtoon are damaging our economy by doing smuggling under the pretext of afghan transit trade giving them undue advantage.
but i have seen they have developed the growing tendency for complaining all the time ..... specially on the part of ANP thats really bad

Hahahaha!

How naive, how very naive and ignorant..

What is wrong with positive criticism of our own?

If we turn a blind eye to our issues and scapegoating others we will never solve them.

Take off your rose-tinted spectacles kaleem jaani.

Pashtuns are like any other people, you get the good, the bad and the ugly amongst them..

You mentioned Pashtuns and Hazaras in the same sentence..

...We're not living in utopia sweety, your wishful thinking is just that..

I once met a Pashtun refugee who boasted that they had an ethnic-dispute with some Hazaras and they killed every Hazara posessing a penis from that Hazara-group (even suckling babies), they just left the women because they don't raise their hand on women.. I felt sick, I still feel nauseous when I think of it..

Blind ethnicism/nationalism and extremism are evil and sadly we Pashtuns are intoxicated beyond sense by both of these things.

The world out there is not so rosy hun..