This is a bhajjan (hindu religious song) some of you might have heard
goes like
Eeeshwar, Allah tero naaam
sab ko sum’mati de Bhagwan
Can someone translate into english, please.
Now the question.
After understanding the meaning Do you think that A muslim can say these verses as prayers aswell ??
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Aren’t you a mod yourself? 
A muslim can’t say these verses because the concept of Bhagwaan is quite different from the concept of Allah. Hence one can say that they’re actually two different gods OR different perceptions of the same God.
Since believing in God for a muslim means you have to have the right perception of God as one requirement of the belief, then believing in Bhagwaan is not compatible with believing in Allah.
Although, yes, people will say that this bhajjan just means your God and my God is the same God. But if you’re telling me that your God comes down into human form and is reincarnated in human form, waghera waghera, then I will not believe that your God is the same as mine.
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I will have to agree with PCG (unfortunately:p)
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Kia Islamic duayen kahatam ho gain hain jo dosray mazhab ka sahara liya ja raha hai?
Those guys also curse their God and give “IT” same level as them.
Have you gone nuts, its a Shirk. 
If you don’t know other dua’s just read Sura Fateha.
AL-FATIHA (THE OPENING) Translation by T. B. Irving.
**In the name of God, the Mercy-giving, the Merciful! **
Praise be to God, Lord of the Universe,
the Mercygiving, the Merciful!
Ruler on the Day for Repayment!
You do we worship and You do we call on for help.
Guide us along the Straight Road,
the road of those whom You have favored,
with whom You are not angry,
nor who are lost!
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And what is your knowledge of the concept of ‘Bhagwan’, may I ask?
I wouldnt blame you if you believe that that the true almighty in Hinduism takes on several human shapes and incarnations and hundreds of names because that is what a majority of Hindus all over the world believe. Cant blame them either as Hinduism has its roots in the vedic age …that being a long long time ago…and its inherent flexibility and tolerance in having its true philosophy interpreted…has resulted in misinterpretation of the philosohy in the due course of time.
The true definition of ‘GOD’ in Hinduism can be found in its earliest scriptures…the Vedas…more specifically the Upanishads…and here is how it goes…
'OM! That (the Invisible-Absolute) is whole; whole is this (the
**visible phenomenal); from the Invisible Whole comes forth the visible whole. Though the visible whole has come out from that **Invisible Whole, yet the Whole remains unaltered.
OM! PEACE! PEACE! PEACE!’
The indefinite term “That” is used in the Upanishads to designate the
Invisible-Absolute, because no word or name can fully define It. A finite object, like a table or a tree, can be defined; but God, who is infinite and unbounded, cannot be expressed by finite language. Therefore the Rishis or Divine Seers, desirous not to limit the Unlimited, chose the indefinite term “That” to designate the Absolute.
In the light of true wisdom the phenomenal and the Absolute are inseparable. All existence is in the Absolute; and whatever exists, must exist in It; hence all manifestation is merely a modification of the One Supreme Whole, and neither increases nor diminishes It. The Whole therefore remains unaltered.
Pray tell me how different is this definition from that of Allah’s own.
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Question:
Water is called by different names in different languages: in English as water, in Hindi as paani, in Tamil as tanni. Similarly if God is called either Allah, Ram or Jesus, is it not one and the same?
Answer:
The Glorious Qur’an says in Surah Isra chapter 17 verse 110
“Say: ‘Call upon Allah, or call upon Rahman: by whatever name ye call upon Him, (it is well): for to Him belong the Most Beautiful Names.‘” [Al-Qur’an 17:110]
You can call Allah by any name, but it should be a beautiful name,should not conjure up a mental picture, and should have qualities that only Allah possesses.
You can call water by various names in different languages, like water in English, paani in Hindi, tanni in Tamil, mai in Arabic, apah in Sanskrit, jal in Shudh Hindi, jal or paani in Gujrati, pandi in Marathi, neer in Kannad, neeru in Telugu, vellam in Malayalam, etc. If a person tells me that his friend has advised that everyday early in the morning he should have one glass of paani, but he is unable to drink it because when he drinks it, he feels like vomiting. On enquiry he says that the paani stinks and it is yellowish in colour. Later I realise that what he is referring to as paani is not water but urine. Thus you can call water by different names having the same meaning but you cannot call other things as water or paani.
People may think that the example is not realistic and I agree with them because even an ignorant person knows the difference between water and urine. He will have to be a fool to call urine ‘water’. Similarly when any person who knows the correct concept of God, sees people worshipping false gods, he naturally wonders how a person cannot differentiate between a true God and false gods.
In the same way, gold can be called sona in Hindi, gold in English, dhahaba in Arabic. Inspite of knowing all these different names for gold, if a person wants to sell you his gold jewellery and says this is 24 carat pure sona, you will not blindly believe, without verifying it with a goldsmith. The goldsmith confirms whether it is gold or not with the help of a touchstone. The yellow glittering jewellery may not be gold, because all that glitters is not gold.
Similarly, any person or candidate who is called God cannot be accepted as the true God without verifying him with the touchstone. The touchstone of theology, that is study of God, is Surah Ikhlas chapter 112 of the Holy Qur’an which says:
"Say, ‘He is Allah, The One and Only; Allah, The Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not Nor is He begotten; and there is none like unto Him.’’’ [Al-Qur’an 112:1-4]
Any candidate who claims to be God and fits in this four line definition, passes the Acid test, is entitled to be called God and worshipped as God.
Suppose a lunatic says that Muhammad (pbuh) is God, (God forbid). Let’s put him to the test of Surah Ikhlas.
i. “Kul hu allah hu ahad” – Say He is Allah, The One and Only;
Is Muhammad (pbuh) one and only? No! he was not the only messenger. There were many other messengers.
ii. “Allah hus Samad” – Allah, The Eternal, Absolute;
We know that Muhammad (pbuh) had to undergo many hardships. Though he was the mightiest messenger of God, he died at the age of 63 and was buried in Madeenah.
iii. “Lam ya lid wa lam yulad” – He begetteth not Nor is He begotten;
We know that he was born in Makkah and his parents were Abdullah and Aaminah. He even had several children e.g. Fatimah, Ibrahim (may Allah be pleased with them), etc.
iv. “Wa lam ya kullahu kufuwan ahad” – And there is none like unto Him.
Though all the Muslims love and revere the Prophet (pbuh) and are supposed to follow each and every of his commandments, yet you will not find a single Muslim in the whole world, who in his senses will ever say that Muhammad (pbuh) is God. The Islamic Creed is, “La illaha illallah Muhammadur Rasoolullah”, which means that there is no god but Allah, and Muhammad (pbuh) is the messenger of Allah. This is repeated five times a day during the call for prayer, so that the Muslims are reminded daily that although they respect and obey him, he is only a Messenger and servant of God, and not God Himself.
Now that we have explained to you how to use the touchstone of theology it is the duty of everyone to verify with this touchstone, whether the gods that they worship are true or false.
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:biggthumb
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rather we call Allah with the names he has named Himself… that is the safest approach… lest we fall into the error of:
“They are naught but names which you have named, you and your fathers; Allah has not sent for them any authority.” (Qur’an 53:23)
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“Ekam evadvitiyam”
“He is One only without a second.”
[Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]1
“Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah.”
“Of Him there are neither parents nor lord.”
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]2
“Na tasya pratima asti”
“There is no likeness of Him.”
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]3
The following verses from the Upanishad allude to the inability of man to imagine God in a particular form:
“Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam.”
“His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye.”
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]4
Yajurveda
The following verses from the Yajurveda echo a similar concept of God:
"na tasya pratima asti
“There is no image of Him.”
[Yajurveda 32:3]5
“shudhama poapvidham”
“He is bodyless and pure.”
[Yajurveda 40:8]6
“Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste”
“They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements” (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). “They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti.”
[Yajurveda 40:9]7
Sambhuti means created things, for example table, chair, idol, etc.
The Yajurveda contains the following prayer:
“Lead us to the good path and remove the sin that makes us stray and wander.”
[Yajurveda 40:16]8
5
Atharvaveda
The Atharvaveda praises God in Book 20, hymn 58 and verse 3:
“Dev maha osi”
“God is verily great”
[Atharvaveda 20:58:3]9
Rigveda
The oldest of all the vedas is Rigveda. It is also the one considered most sacred by the Hindus. The Rigveda states in Book 1, hymn 164 and verse 46:
“Sages (learned Priests) call one God by many names.”
[Rigveda 1:164:46]
The Rigveda gives several different attributes to Almighty God. Many of these are mentioned in Rigveda Book 2 hymn 1.
Among the various attributes of God, one of the beautiful attributes mentioned in the Rigveda Book II hymn 1 verse 3, is Brahma. Brahma means ‘The Creator’. Translated into Arabic it means Khaaliq. Muslims can have no objection if Almighty God is referred to as Khaaliq or ‘Creator’ or Brahma.
above was written 1500 bc as concept of god
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The nature of God is defined in Hinduism, where its not in Islam. Abrahamic tradition might give the impression that God is some old dude in the sky with a long white beard, this is not what muslims believe.
Muslims define God by his qualities, but no muslim can say or ever will dare say with certainty that God is made of such and such material - we just simply do not know.
Hinduism on the other hand has a pantheistic view. God in hinduism is the creative source of existence, but it also pervades all of existence. So the atoms in you and me, its actually what God is made of. Now don't tell me I'm coming up with this stuff out my arse - this is what our religion classes taught us in university. Muslims do not agree with this, hence why I say that the hindu God and Allah are two perceptions of the same God. Depending on how you philosophically distinguish one entity from another, one can go so far as to say they are two separate Gods.
The quotes you posted are not surprising - muslim theory is that there were many prophets sent down to various populations, and the Vedas might have been an original revelation at one time, or it might have been recordings and descriptions of the sayings of a real prophet in that time period. The theory is that perhaps the Vedas, like the Bible and other books, has been changed over time. Given that the Vedas is very old, it only makes sense that it was altered much more than the Bible and the Torah.
We can also go into descriptions of how God in Hinduism created existence. In hinduism, God created out of what was already present - his own entity. In Islam, God created out of "nothing".
Furthermore, Hinduism believes in many different gods - Vishnu and Shiva (eg). This is akin to shirk in our religion.
Nature Gods are the following:
Agni - god of Fire
Surya - god of Sun
Indra - of lightning/thunder
Ganesha
Nandi
Garuda
Hanuman
However, you are correct in that Brahman was not reincarnated - rather it was Vishnu reincarnated as Ram, I believe. I was mixed up there with your gods - hard to keep track of 'em.
Regardless, since pantheism is the real essence of hinduism (not polytheism, I know), then basically we're all forms of Brahman, and the other various gods are also forms of Brahman. So in a sense, Brahman IS reincarnated in human form. But not fully. Only some number of his atoms or some part of his essence.
Since the NATURE of Allah and the NATURE of Brahman are different, they ARE two different perceptions of the same God. And therefore, I still say that the bhajjan should not be uttered by muslims, because its a pure brainwash. Sorry, but Pakistan is Pakistan. It wont be annexed to India, like ever.
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Codey,
translation would be something like "Eeshwar and Allah are your names, guide everyone, O Lord".
as for can muslims say such things brings us to the fundamental question - can muslims really respect anyone else's religion as equal? do muslim countries allow equal rights of worship, as they are given in non muslim countries? muslims have a long way to go before they reach modern standards of equality and tolerance. right now, muslims daring to say these verses would be lynched, imho.
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By saying that Baghwaan and Allah are two different concepts, one is not saying that muslims should not tolerate hindus and their worship.
By not calling an apple an "orange", because its simply not an orange, the apple-caller is not saying "don't eat oranges".
So tolerance is not an issue when discussing whether Baghwaan and Allah are identical concepts/ideas/entities.
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no one can beat muslims when it comes to nitpicking. the case of ahmedis being a great standing example. peace out pcg. you will never get it in this lifetime.
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this verse is frakly not about Hinduism or Islam...not about what ishwar means or what is the exact definition of bhagwan god....
this verse is about enjoning two names of God used by two different religions in this beautiful way and create harmony and co-existence between the followers of these religions....
This topic has come on ghupshup few times before and I never heard many people agreeing with it.
that means who ever wrote it was very naive person.
who wrote it BTW?
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Ahemidiyat/Qadiyaaniyat/Mirzaaiyat is not Islam for they changed the basic fundamental belief of islam i.e. Muhammad:saw: being the last Prophet of all … there is no nitpicking.. it’s an apple being called an apple.
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AQ, to me, it looks very much like nitpicking. just calling an apple an apple.
Channji, it was sung by Sufis in the 14th century. nowadays sufis have been thrown out of the fold of islam anyway for being too hindu/pagan. everyone's a wannabe wahabi arabi.
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yeah sufis have run their usefullness. hun tooN kaun te main kaun.
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sab ko sum’mati de Bhagwan…give a rational thinking to all
this portion I think is irrelevant for many gathered here.