One of the reason I have often heard about not eating Pork is that humans acquire the habits or rather impressions of habits … of the food they eat.
Is it true?
Scientifically?
And then what about eating plants then?
I believe its a myth.
Jitna Diya Sarkar Nay Mujko, Itni Meri Auqat Nahi, Yeh Saab Tumhara Karam Hai Aqa, Mujh Mein Aisi Koi Baat Nahin.
Love happens once . . .
Muslims don't eat pig as it is made Haram by Allah (swt) and not because it is dirty or people would become like him. Even if there is scientific proof that we won't become like pig, it will remain Haram.
Khan Sahib,
Indeed Pig stays haram ... no question about it. And I think I believe in the theory that we might get some characteristics of the food that we eat.
I will have to look into it and post it here. Just thought maybe someone else already has some info.
I've heard similar stuff:
Pig--bey hayaii, careless about surroundings.
I'm not sure of the islamic back-up for this tho.
I know about these bey hayaii and all that but these are myths. This is one of the reason I don't agree with some of the Tableeghi nisaab and Tableeghi jamaat. They make stories and sometime even relate it with prophet (saw) saying that there intention is good. It might be good to convince people and might be right for one culture but once they are spread in different culture they don't make any sense making look Islam bad.
What is bey-hayaii?
KS–I said I heard, not I believe.
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Myths or not, it’s still haraam.
Ahamdjee-bey-haya-ee. Bey-sharam?!
ahmadjee, woh hee wali bay-hayii jis ko kehtay heiN kay woh to “aghiyar meiN gharq hoee”
X-communist, I didn’t intend to target you and sorry if u support TJs.
Hum ... :~$ They sure are bay-hayaa!
Nah, not a supporter.
I have a question tho:
If something is declared 'haraam', should we, as humans, be questioning the why's and who's of it? I mean, if it's haraam, it's haraam. Why scrutinize the factors that come along as we evolve?
Sorry if that's not clear but what I mean is, should we really question these myths (or beliefs in some cases) when we know that no matter what, pork is haraam?
I always question.
Not because of my rebellious nature (ok, so maybe somewhat) but because, Allah has said that everything prohibited or encouraged has its reasons.
Then why not look for those reasons & benefit from them!
I heard the following. Perhaps someone else has more knowledge about this subject:
In ancient times, say the time of Hazrat Musa, with no form of refrigeration, it was very often that people that ate pork would get very sick from it. Particularly with tape worms. Jewish law and Jewish tradition made eating pig meat "haram." Pig meat can spoil fast and must always be cooked completely to kill pathogens. The Arabic tradition followed the ancient tradition and like many other Jewish concepts, this law also became part of Islamic tradition and Islamic law.
When I started my undergraduate education in the United States, like all good Muslims, I was deathly concerned about consuming pig meat products in the college cafeteria or elsewhere. I was not sure what would happen to me if I ate it.
One day in the cafeteria, a Bangladeshi friend asked me with great surprise why I was eating pork sausage for breakfast if I was a Muslim. It dawned on me then that I had been consuming the pork sausage daily for breakfast for over a year, thinking that it was beef.
How can anyone eat the meat of an animal that eats it's own feces? I have been out to the slaughter houses in Chino, California and seen them (from a distance) They are vile and vulgor animals. ewwwwww!!!
And scientifically speaking~ undercooked pork does lead to tapeworms. Amazing how we have had this knowledge for centuries, yet people ignore it.
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I always question.
Not because of my rebellious nature (ok, so maybe somewhat)
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Ibrahim says; Ahmadjee…….But why are you unable to accept the answers when you have been advised of it? When does this rebellious nature seize and will be willing to accept what is clearly evident?
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but because, Allah has said that everything prohibited or encouraged has its reasons. Then why not look for those reasons & benefit from them!
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Ibrahim says; Good to know you are only trying to learn, but people who are rebellious end up twisting them according to their fancies ( rebellious intent within their hearts and minds) . And indeed Allah (swt) revealed as to why it was forbidden in the Qur’an itself ( just as it was revealed in earlier times in earlier scriptures) but people lack the wisdom in comprehending such matters . Going any further would have led them into disbelieve , thus some matters are kept vague and those who have wisdom will comprehend them whilst those who lack it may not.
Let me make this simple for you, the evil characteristics that Allah (swt) did not want, as being part of human nature, were given life in the form of some animals ( dogs , pigs, apes) for man to observe and redirect themselves.
They are created as an example for us to avoid and they being originally humans gone astray are forbidden to be looked at (mentioned in earlier scripture), touched ( recorded in the Bible as well) or eaten.
2: 65 And well ye knew ** those amongst you who transgressed in the matter ** of the Sabbath; We said to them: "Be ye apes despised and rejected."
5: 60 Say: "Shall I point out to you something much worse than this (as judged) by the treatment it received from Allah? ** Those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath those of whom some He transformed into apes and swine those who worshipped Evil; ** these are (many times) worse in rank and far more astray from the even Path!
7: 166 ** When in their insolence they transgressed (all) prohibition ** We said to them: "Be ye apes despised and rejected."
When Allah (swt) revealed this kind of information to earlier generations , they took this to mean, that there was “reincarnation for mankind” (karma theory believed by Hindus) and that is how Hindus invented their reincarnation theories from verses which revealed what Allah (swt) had done to some folks who exhibited such characteristics as that of the pig or dog.
** Wisdom is an essence, it is not an idea, not even a thought **
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Originally posted by Logic User:
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One day in the cafeteria, a Bangladeshi friend asked me with great surprise why I was eating pork sausage for breakfast if I was a Muslim. It dawned on me then that I had been consuming the pork sausage daily for breakfast for over a year, thinking that it was beef. **
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Wouldn't the beef still be haraam or non-zabeeha?
X_communist,
sorry for delay, I just wanted to confirm one thing before my reply. I don't know if anyone else has said the same thing or not.
Question as in inquiring is allowed but not Question as in Questioning is allowed. I hope it makes sense. It depends on neyat if you are asking to convince yourself or to create fitna. For example, there used to be people who used to confuse people by telling that Quran says "wail-ul-il-musaleen" (tabahi hai namaziooN kay liye) and people used to come and ask prophet what does it mean then prophet (saw) told them read it in context "wail-ul-il-musaleen al-lazeen hum un salatay him sahoon ....." (tabahee hai namaziooN kay liye jo apni namazooN ko bhula baiThay heiN)
According to one other hadith, a person who questions won't enter into jannah. In this hadith "question" means unnecessary ones which leads to fitna.
Asking questions regarding commandments is quite dodgy as one might make a mistake of committing SHIRK (gunah-e-kabira). This is OK if someone is not convinced that there is one God but if one has been convinced then it can lead him to hellfire.
KS--thanks. Makes good sense.
Ahmadjee,
I completely agree with what Ibrahim has said. There is a hikmah (wisdom) and Tarbiyyah (mannerism) of questioning. Particularly if it pertains to a religious verdict decreed by either Allaah (subhaan wa ta'aala) or the Messenger - salallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam.
Often, our limited mental capacity and our limited knowledge may prevent us from understanding and comprehending. So, part of this hikmah, if one is sincere, is to accept and adhere rather than be adamant in persuing personal goals and ambitions.
Thus we must be careful, as not to fall into shaytaan's evil whisperings and trap by occasionally investigating too deeply rather than complying.
This is first and foremost a reminder to myself, and then to the next person.
regards
"No leaf falls except that He knows of it, and no rain drop forms except that He has willed it."
The initial question of this post was asked, as the following reasoning is quiet commonly given. Though with very less medical refrence …
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