Eating Jhattka...

[Lajawab]

OK…I need proof, evidences and sources which state that I can eat jhattka, i.e. food from McDs, BK Wendy’s e.t.c…

I used to, but stopped on the insistence of Ammi…

The Dalils I had, I forgot them…

So…There is a new chicken burger from McDs…I wanna try it out…

What are the Dalils of Jhattka’s permissibility…

[AQ]

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As I understood this thing from Quran, it is as followed.

• We are allowed to eat the Zabeeha of People of the book (surah Al-Ma'idah)

• We are not allowed to eat meat on which ALLAH's name is not taken (Surah Al-Inaam)

hence, I conclude that it is permissible to eat zabeeha of people of the book as per Quran as long as it is observed in the light of divine rules of slaughtering given to people of the book.

Same rule applies on zabeeha done by fellow muslims.

That is My understanding... and hence I avoid eating jhatka for ALLAH's name is nto taken at the time of slaughter on such meat.

I did not forseek any fatwah on this for it was too clear to me. And also I have this hadeeth in mind which says that "Leave what is doubtful"

[Lajawab]

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^^

AQ, one time the polytheists of Arabia sent the Holy Prophet :saw: a dish made of meat…

The Holy Prophet :saw: asked if any god’s name has been taken upon the animals…Upone being replied in the negative, the Holy Prophet :saw: accepted the dish…

Zabiha was not even mentioned…

[AQ]

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was it before the revelation of the ayahs in surah maidah and inaam or after????

... see the context matters ..

after all, Sharaab was not haraam once upon a time too :)

[Faisal]

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Lajawab... to answer your original question, check out www.islamqa.com and search for meat slaughter.

[system]

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^ you got a direct link to that particular QA ?

Lajawab, a long time back i asked Mohammad (the imam at our mosque) about this. And he said while he wouldnt eat it, he wouldnt stop me from eating it.

However i stopped eating it a long time back, and i know there's some really awesome non-zabeeha food out there..oh well :(

[lazy_daisy]

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Lajawab thankyou for bringing up this topic...very interesting

However I would just like to say that you want to try out MCDONALDS ...thats not food!

[ahmadjee]

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Lajo yar, I go by this, if you have Halal food available go for it, if not Zibhya/jhatka would do. At restaurants I prefer fish but when I get sick of it, I don't mind ordering chicken.

It is forbidden to eat meat that was slaughtered or food that was cooked with someone else’s name as a blessing, no name what so ever is ok as long as you bless it in Allah name. And, so I refrain myself from eating food from chaleswaN & such occasions. Though I doubt your butcher at local Wal-Mart puts the cow in slaughter machine after breaking its skull thinking about Jesus or Dark Wader.

[Sharaabi]

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When i met Sheikh Yousuf Estes 4 years ago, I asked him this particular question.

He replied: " I cannot say if its haraam or halaal since Iam not a scholar, but its as bad as eating pork."

[PyariCgudia]

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** I cannot say if its haraam or halaal since Iam not a scholar, but its as bad as eating pork.**

Isn't this a self-contradicting statement?

[lazy_daisy]

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^^^ you are a women...therefore your views on this subject dont count

Get thee back into the kitchen!

[PyariCgudia]

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of course it counts. I'm the one cooking the jhatka / non-jhatka meat!

[Sadiyah]

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After asking many scholars and reading many fatawa, alhamdulillah I have no problem consuming the food of ahle-kitaab so long as its not pork.

Here's a verse from the Quran that clearly permits consuming the food of Ahle-Kitaab:

005.005

YUSUFALI: This day are (all) things good and pure made lawful unto you. The food of the People of the Book is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them. (Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers, but chaste women among the People of the Book, revealed before your time,- when ye give them their due dowers, and desire chastity, not lewdness, nor secret intrigues if any one rejects faith, fruitless is his work, and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).

PICKTHAL: This day are (all) good things made lawful for you. The food of those who have received the Scripture is lawful for you, and your food is lawful for them. And so are the virtuous women of the believers and the virtuous women of those who received the Scripture before you (lawful for you) when ye give them their marriage portions and live with them in honour, not in fornication, nor taking them as secret concubines. Whoso denieth the faith, his work is vain and he will be among the losers in the Hereafter.

SHAKIR: This day (all) the good things are allowed to you; and the food of those who have been given the Book is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them; and the chaste from among the believing women and the chaste from among those who have been given the Book before you (are lawful for you); when you have given them their dowries, taking (them) in marriage, not fornicating nor taking them for paramours in secret; and whoever denies faith, his work indeed is of no account, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.

Mohsin Khan/Hilaali[005:005] Made lawful to you this day are At-Tayyibât [all kinds of Halâl (lawful) foods, which Allâh has made lawful (meat of slaughtered eatable animals, milk products, fats, vegetables and fruits)]. The food (slaughtered cattle, eatable animals) of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you and yours is lawful to them. (Lawful to you in marriage) are chaste women from the believers and chaste women from those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before your time when you have given their due Mahr (bridal-money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), desiring chastity (i.e. taking them in legal wedlock) not committing illegal sexual intercourse, nor taking them as girlfriends. And whosoever disbelieves in Faith *, then fruitless is his work; and in the Hereafter he will be among the losers.

Here's an answer that I received from Islamtoday.com:

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Question:

I've read it countless times that the food of the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) is permissible for Muslims. Therefore, I've been eating out at KFC, McDonalds and other such places. I would just like to double check and ensure that such food is okay to consume in countries like America and Canada. Jazakallahu khairan

Answer:

The Answer:

By Sheikh `Abd al-Wahhab al-Turayrî

Former Professor at Imam University

Animals slaughtered by Christians and Jews are lawful for Muslims, and this is not contingent to their firmness on their religion, because the people of scripture were existing at our Prophet’s (peace be upon him) time and they had already changed and deviated from their religion.

Therefore, the meat they sell in their supermarkets and restaurants is lawful, provided they slaughter their meat properly, and do not use alternative methods like electrocution or suffocation to kill the animal.
[/quote]
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[PyariCgudia]

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So Miccy-D's is considered to be food of the ahl-e-kitaab?

[Sadiyah]

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In addition, here are a few other fatawa that could be of assistance:

Meat from dubious restaurants

Here’s what a Salafi acquaintance once forwarded to me, which he has taken from a Salafi message board:

Eating the Meat of Ahl Al-Kitaab (Jews & Christians)
Imaam Ibn Uthaymeen (Rahimahullaah)

Q. Is it permissible to eat poultry which is sold in the markets on the
basis that it is meat of the People of the Book…or is it impermissible on
the basis that it is a carcass slaughtered by unknown means i.e. was it done
by cutting off the head or electrocution or some such means… and are the
Ahl-Kitaab today truly to be considered in this ruling [as those of the
past]?

A. Yes, eating the poultry is permissible because that which is slaughtered
by the Ahl Al-Kitaab today is just as what was slaughtered by Ahl Al-Kitaab
in the time of the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam). The Ahl Al-Kitaab are of the Kuffaar
(disbelievers) whether they are in the time of the Prophet (saaws) or now.
Allah says in His Noble Book They have certainly disbelieved who say that
Verily Allah is Isa Ibn Maryam and the Messiah said "O Children of Israel
worship Allah my Lord and your Lord Verily whosoever commits shirk
(associates partners with Allah in any way) Allah has made the Paradise
forbidden to him and his end will be the Hellfire and there will be no help
to the Dhaalimeen. They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is the
third of three and there is no deity except the single Deity and if they do
not desist from what they are saying We will inflict upon those disbelievers
a painful punishment.

Allah also says in the same chapter: “Today I have made permissible for you
that which is good and wholesome and the food of those who were sent the
Scripture is permissible to you and your food is permissible to them.”

As far as the methodology of the slaughtering we do not inquire about the
method because if an action has occurred min ahlihi [at the hands of those
suited to perform such an act] the conditions surrounding that act are not
asked about.

We find in Saheeh Al-Bukhari: "It is related by Aisha (raa) that a group of
people said to the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) ‘Some people came to us with some meat
about which we didn’t know whether the name of Allah was mentioned over or
not’ and he replied (saaws) Sammoo [Say the name of Allah] over it
yourselves and then eat. She [Aisha - raa] said that these people had just
recently been from the Kuffaar *.

This rule therefore applies to the Jews and the Christians about whom we
don’t know whether or not they have mentioned Allah’s name or not because
their slaughtered meat is halal [permissible] to us.

Q. Please clarify the fatwa - esteemed Sheikh - If a Muslim goes to the
markets and eating places in a Christian land and purchases the lamb, beef,
of chicken and does not ask about how it was slaughtered?

A. Yes, he does not ask about the method of slaughter.

Q. What if he is informed however that the meat has been stunned by electric
shock, or has been choked or shot? What is the ruling for meat slaughtered
like this? Is it considered a carcass? [Which is impermissible to eat]

A. It is not permissible if it is known with certainty because it would be
considered a carcass.

Q. Can we understand from the hadith of Aisha (raa) which is related in the
fatwa that the question which was posed by the people to the Messenger of
Allah (saaws) was only in relation to whether Allah’s name was mentioned
over the animal being slaughtered and it was not about the actual method of
slaughter?

A. Yes, they did ask about the mentioning of the name of Allah and not the
actual method of slaughtering and it is evident in the hadith that it is not
necessary to ask about either.

Q. Is it possible to say that if there are
stores in a city where the Muslim lives and those stores carry meat
slaughtered according to the Islamic method - even of it is more expensive -
that it is not then permissible to buy the meat of the Christians?

A. No it is not possible to say that because the slaughtered meat of the
Christians and the Jews is halal. However whoever leaves it [doesn’t eat it]
out of a sense of piety [tawar’an], we see no fault upon him. [Tawar’a or
wara’ is when a person has such piety that they will avoid even that which
is permissible to do what is even better from wanting to please Allah and
also eliminating any possibility of doing something wrong].

Q. One of the readers asks about a relation from Ali Ibn Abi Talib (raa) in
which he reportedly said: “Do not eat the meat slaughtered by Bani Taglab
because they adhere to Christianity by drink alcohol.” Can this be then used
as a proof considering the Christians of today, the majority of who drink
alcohol , that it is not permissible to eat their slaughtered meat?

A. I do not know the authenticity of this statement [from the Sahabah] and
if it is authentic its meaning would be that they [Banu Taglab] were not
actually on the religion of the Christians and therefore they would not fall
under the ruling of permissibility of their slaughtered meat.

Q. If it is known that some of the slaughterhouses in this country slaughter
sheep and cattle along with swine is it permissible to eat that meat
especially when the same instruments are used to slaughter both at the same
time?

A. In this case, if we know that the knives are used for both then the meat
should be washed and it will be purified through washing.

Q. Is it possible - esteemed Sheikh - for you to address us with a word to
the Muslim in the Western countries about the obligation of staying far away
from disobedience [to Allah and His Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam)] and haram things and
doubtful matters because we are aware of some of them being lax in relation
to some major sins such as not praying or illicit sex or drinking alcohol
yet he is distressed or makes complicated the eating of meat which is not
slaughtered according to Islamic method?

A. My advice to them is to have taqwa and fear Allah’s punishment and to
remember the Day of Meeting, a day which the excuses of those who wrong
themselves will be of no avail. A day when the parent will not afford their
offspring anything nor can the offspring do anything for the parent. A day
when they will all be raised from their graves barefoot, and naked. We ask
Allah for all guidance and success.

Muhammad Saleh Al-Uthaimeen (rahimahullaah) 2/28/1414

May Allaah Reward www.troid.org For Publishing this Original Article in the magazine Al-Furqaan (June/July 2001 Edition)
Text

Taken from Abu Ibraheem’s web site
Al-Imaam Ibn Baaz discusses meat imported from the lands of the disbelievers

Translated by Abu Sumayyah Aqeel Walker

Question: In reference to the meats that are imported from outside (i.e. outside of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia), and likewise the frozen chickens, which we do not know about their method of slaughter, since some of the scholars do not support purchasing them?

Answer: If the mentioned meats are imported from the lands of the People of the Book (i.e. Jews and Christians), it is lawful to eat them as long as you do not know something that proves its forbiddance. This is due to the statement of Allaah, far removed is He from imperfections:

“Today the good things have been made lawful for you, and the food (slaughtered meat) of those who have been given the Book (i.e. Jews and Christians) is lawful for you, and your food (slaughtered meat) is lawful for them.” [Al-Maa’idah (5):5]

The fact that some of the slaughter houses in some of the lands of the People of the Book slaughter animals in a way that is not legislated, this does not neccessitate the forbiddance of the slaughtered meat that is imported from the lands of the People of the Book, until you know that this specific slaughtered meat (that you have) is from the slaughter house that slaughters in a way that is not legislated. Because the basic principle is that the meat is lawful and safe until something is known that contradicts that.

Ash-Shaikh 'Abdul-'Azeez bin 'Abdullah bin Baaz

Source: Al-Fataawaa min Kitaabid-Da’wah, Vol. 1, pp. 250-251.

[Sheraz_CT]

Re: Eating Jhattka...

are they really the people of the book? Jesus (a.s.) is the son of God..sure

anyways its not allowed according to shia school of thought..so i don't eat it..you guys enjoy it :)

[Sadiyah]

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I don't see anything that clearly suggests that consuming the food of ahle-kitaab is strictly prohibited in Islam, or is only allowed when there is a dire need for it. According to my understanding, Allah (SWT) has made lawful the food of ahle-kitaab and the evidence could be found in the Quran. There are also ahadith that state how Prophet Muhammad (SAW) once accepted the meat from a Jewish woman and did not indulge in the details of how it was prepared, slaughtered, and the like.

Besides, if ahle-kitaab had strictly adhered to their religions, they would've accepted Islam, as it is generally known that they have signs in their books due to which they shouldn't have any problems recognizing Prophet Muhammad (SAW).

Therefore, to make a statement that ahle-kitaab's food is haraam because they have deviated and what not is a serious matter.

Besides, it is not obligatory upon us to consume the food of ahle-kitaab. Those who wish not to should respect those who do consume it and conversely, those who consume it should respect those who don't.

[Sharaabi]

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@PyariCgudia

** I cannot say if its haraam or halaal since Iam not a scholar, but its as bad as eating pork.**

Isn’t this a self-contradicting statement?

No its not. Reason being, when you declare something haraam or halaal you are basically passing a fatwa. And passing a fatwa is a matter of great responsibility; you will be held responsible on the Day of Judgement in case your fatwa was wrong. Hence good scholars and sheikhs take great caution in declaring anything haraam or halaal. He however did tell me how bad eating jhatka was, and it was as bad as eating pork. Clearly shows that he thinks it is haraam, but he did’nt want to state it.

This was also the practice of the Sahaaba, who would always stay away from passing fatwas.

[Lajawab]

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@Sadiyah

In addition, here are a few other fatawa that could be of assistance:

Meat from dubious restaurants

Here’s what a Salafi acquaintance once forwarded to me, which he has taken from a Salafi message board:

Il fantastico…

These are what I was looking for…

Thanks…

[lazy_daisy]

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can I ask please

What does **jhattka **mean?

thankyou