Eating halal food

This question should be asked to Allah he revealed Sura Maida and then verse 5 in Quran ? There are not ifs and buts in that verse. It is very clear and concise. If you want to make your life difficult go ahead. End of the discussion.

Hareem , the thing is , if we go into ifs and buts while ignoring the key message given to us by the Holy Quran… that will only create confusion ..right ?

Its been made absolutely clear to us that any slaughter that does not have Allah’s name taken on it , is haram . This is the key message.

that should be enough for us muslims to know. Please refer the following lines and read the article in full for your satisfaction:

“As a principle, only that food which is allowed in Islam can be taken for consumption from non-Muslims. If Muslims are offered food on which Allah’s name has not been taken, it would still be prohibited because such meat is considered unlawful in Islamic Shariah as we will discuss later in this article …”

Issues Regarding Food of the People of Book

May Allah guide us all.

Not going to touch this topic BUT don't you think any food served in PAKISTAN is halal/zabiha?

Please highlight what is clear and concise before ending the discussion?

I'm getting these points out of your posts:

1) Food of Christians and Jews is allowed for us to eat even if it's been slaughtered without mentioning the name of Allah, without using the correct technique of zabiha.

2) Every food that we buy from muslims or non muslims should be eaten before saying bissmillah otherwise it'll become haram and sinful.

These are your points, right? Now where is the concept of "zabiha" come from?

According to you we can eat anything allowed by reading bissmillah so there's no need for slaughtering the animal with all the conditions that come with zabiha???

i have no doubt in what you’re saying Sis/Bro. :slight_smile:

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The whole concept of forbidding eating kentucky Fried Chicken and MCDonalds has been promoted by a group of scholars based on this verse from Sura Al Anaam.

[RIGHT]قُل لَّآ أَجِدُ فِى مَآ أُوحِىَ إِلَىَّ مُحَرَّمًا عَلَىٰ طَاعِمٍ۬ يَطۡعَمُهُ ۥۤ إِلَّآ أَن يَكُونَ مَيۡتَةً أَوۡ دَمً۬ا مَّسۡفُوحًا أَوۡ لَحۡمَ خِنزِيرٍ۬ فَإِنَّهُ ۥ رِجۡسٌ أَوۡ فِسۡقًا أُهِلَّ لِغَيۡرِ ٱللَّهِ بِهِۦ*ۚ فَمَنِ ٱضۡطُرَّ غَيۡرَ بَاغٍ۬ وَلَا عَادٍ۬ فَإِنَّ رَبَّكَ غَفُورٌ۬ رَّحِيمٌ۬ (١٤[/RIGHT]

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YUSUFALI: Say: "I find not in the message received by me by inspiration any (meat) forbidden to be eaten by one who wishes to eat it, unless it be dead meat, or blood poured forth, or the flesh of swine,- for it is an abomination - or, what is impious, (meat) on which a name has been invoked, other than Allah's". But (even so), if a person is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- thy Lord is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL: Say: I find not in that which is revealed unto me aught prohibited to an eater that he eat thereof, except it be carrion, or blood poured forth, or swineflesh - for that verily is foul - or the abomination which was immolated to the name of other than Allah. But whoso is compelled (thereto), neither craving nor transgressing, (for him) lo! thy Lord is Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: Say: I do not find in that which has been revealed to me anything forbidden for an eater to eat of except that it be what has died of itself, or blood poured forth, or flesh of swine-- for that surely is unclean-- or that which is a transgression, other than (the name of) Allah having been invoked on it; but whoever is driven to necessity, not desiring nor exceeding the limit, then surely your Lord is Forgiving, Merciful.

This verse is specifically forbidding eating sacrificial animal dedicated to some non Allah diety. The word used in Quran is Ohilla , which according to many many Arabic dictionaries is used for sacrificing an animal in somebody's name.
The animals which are slaughtered for daily consumption do not come under the category of Ohilla.
Quran has not specified for Muslims a method of slaughtering of animal. But Quran has allowed as per verse 5 of Sura Mida all foods of people of faith . Of course there is an exception as per this verse which is Khanzeer and Blood etc.
Other than that the meat of Halal animal ,which they slaughter for consumptions is halal for us to eat.
As for ahadees which specify how to slaughter the animals even for daily consumption , they apply to Muslims not to People of Book.
But their shariat has been canceled , yes. But Quran still recognizes them as people of faith and book, so will I . Their halal meat slaughter is halal, yes it is as per sura maida verse 5.
But they do not say name of Allah while slaughtering ? There is no such specification for them say the name of Allah while slaughtering for animal. We can still eat it by saying bismillah.

It is last post by me on this subject everybody else is beating around the bush. They are using the tactics of Ulema a Jews who used to say the book is only for the understanding of ulema everybody else is Jahil and cannot comprehend what is in Torah , so my Muslim friends are saying the same thing. Telling me that I am Jahil and do not understand Quran . They are also assuming that I am basing it all on just translation of Quran . I am not. I have done my research.
Somebody does not agree with me be it. I am answerable to Allah on my own.
I am trying to misguide people no. I am telling the things the way I understood with the help of Many live scholars I refer to , by reading many dictionaries and many tafasir and many ahadees.
Allah Knows the best.
Fee Aman illah.

A very harsh message there Brother ... but its worth saying that no one was trying to prove YOU wrong ...

we were discussing a concept .... *Islam is one religion.... if every muslim creates a concept of their own, Islam will be divided into further sects... *

Therefore as muslims , we are not working against each other.... but trying to bring each other closer to that one message that is delivered by Quran and The prophet PBUH on any matter under discussion.

Other then that, each man for himself .... We all remain answerable to Allah for our deeds and may Allah guide us all to the right path... we must learn to remain united and come to a single conclusion when we muslims discuss religious issues.

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You're free to eat kfc and mac mirch sahib. And no the prohibition of eating meat sold by western non-muslims is not promoted by a group but it is the opinion of most muslim scholars.

People who promoted the idea of kfc etc being halal is by few modern scholars like Yusuf Qardawi, Shaykh Qardawi is a great scholar no doubt but for his view regarding kfc etc being halal he has recieved big criticism from the Scholars all over the West.

Also, those scholars don't present their argument only because of above mentioned ayah, they take refernces from Taurah as well to prove the correct method of slaughtering for jews that's similar to the islamic method of zabiha.

If according to that ayah all kind of food of christian and jews is allowed for us then pig and alocohol is also allowed....oh wait...but pig and wine is declared haram in some other ayah and so is the food that's not been slaughtered without mentioning Allah's name. No?

Do you know that the method of zabiha has been mentioned in Taurah?

Now prove that KFC and Mac meat slaughterers are practising Jews who follow the zabiha method? If you can then sure it's fine to eat from kfc and mac.


No one is calling you jahil, and no one is calling himself an alim here, we all need to gain knowledge about islamic rulings.

I don't think if you've mentioned any names of alims or books but okay i believe you.

If you've noticed, I didn't give any reference of a scholar so far, I was only arguing with logic.

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*Islam is one religion.... if every muslim creates a concept of their own, Islam will be divided into further sects... *

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well said.

Refuting a very basic and core concept of halal/zabihah on a public forum is misleading and confusing people. When it comes to religion, one should be ready to back claims with irrefutable proof, instead of a personal observation. To call out others as using 'tactics' here is very arrogant, its a discussion. Psyah was very objective in his explanations, you cannot take out verses from the Quran and take them literally and ignore the entire premise behind it, you cannot take it out of context.
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Islam being the final and perfect way of life for humanity, it supersedes all the previously revealed religions including Christianity and Judaism. The rituals in all matters were perfected by God (al-Quran 5:3)**

Both sides have valid arguments. I respect the opinion of people who don’t belong to my school of thought, but here is what I believe:

  • For flesh to be Pak and clean, animal has to be slaughtered properly according to the methods told by Allah (incision on the jugular vein and draining of the blood), Irrespective of whether the butcher is Muslim, Jew, or Christian.
  • Saying Bismillah or pronouncing the name of Allah is better. But not saying it doesn’t make the flesh Haram, so long as it’s slaughtered properly.

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We muslims today are so obsessed with saying Allahu Akbar and slaughtering the proper way, that we have totally overlooked the other preconditions.

This is what Jews and Christians read over slaughtering the animals.

Deuteronomy 12:21 (21st Century King James Version)

21If the place which the LORD thy God hath chosen to put His name there be too far from thee, then thou shalt kill of thy herd and of thy flock which the LORD hath given thee, as I have commanded thee, and thou shalt eat in thy gates whatsoever thy soul lusteth after.

I don't think if there's any doubt left in it.

Mentioning name of Allah is the first and very important part of Zabiha and Kosher.

Restless,

please view this video.. it will give you a clear idea of how absolutely important it is to take Allah’s name on the slaughter … and how important it is for muslims to only and only consume halal food … ( please specially view the later explanation given by Yousef Estes after Dr Bilal Philip)

Rest, may Allah guide us all .

Is this animated icon a threat ? :smiley:

Jokes apart, I love Islamic discussions… I am having one with Numb in Rel. forum… come join us
ooops you are right I am probably presumptuous, here I am assuming that you are not Ahmadi…are you ?

We cannot generalize but I see your point.

Okay lets see if brother scholarly Mirch is true to his words. See below.

LOL

If Yusuf Ali was a meat eater surely he would promote the eating of meat of as many types as possible with least restriction, surely this is is Mirch's position. So who's the real meat eater?

Thank you all for actually answering my question.
Everyone else was no help whatsoever. Thanks anyway.

Nothing wrong with it and I respect people who can eat only halal/zabiha, but I don't like the idea of not having too much choice. Though I will start chagning myself now. iA.

Very good.

This reminds me a joke.

A child goes to her mother and asked:

Mommy, What is sex?

The mom was pleased for the inquiry and thought it was the right time to discuss this important part of her life. She goes on and told her many things and made sure it was a good info she could understand.

After 10-15 minutes the girl says:

“Thanks mommy. But how do I fit this in to a small box on my school form?”!!!:snooty: