Where does it say that if the name of God/Allah is not said at the slaughtering time then you cannot eat it.
No, actually this whole ayah is about pronouncing the name over slaughter. And the reason why Kosher meat is halal because they pronounce God's name before slaughtering.
This verse is very binding. It forbids to eat anything again anything on which name of God/Allah has not been pronounced.
So say the name of Allah on Halal and Tyyeb thing and eat it.
And that includes the food and meat of hindus and athiests???
No, actually this whole ayah is about pronouncing the name over slaughter. And the reason why Kosher meat is halal because they pronounce God's name before slaughtering.
And that includes the food and meat of hindus and athiests???
If you pay attention to what I and Hareem are discussing with the help of Quranic verses you will be able to decide on your own Inshallah , one way or the other.
On personal note I do not eat non zabiha but more I read Quran and more I learn Arabic vocabulary and grammar the more I am leaning toward eating McDonals , I have not started that yet.
This discussion is purely academic to resolves all the doubts in my mind.
Make sure that Mcdonald people who slaughter the animals are Christians or Jews who pronounce God's name over it like the Christians and JEWS in Arabia in Prophet's time and some today.
They keep their animals clean and don't shock them.
but according to mirch's description we can eat anything halal and clean by anyone as long as we pronounce Allah's name.....so a cow or lamb slaughtered by an Athiest or a Hindu we can eat it by saying bismillah.
but according to mirch's description we can eat anything halal and clean by anyone as long as we pronounce Allah's name.....so a cow or lamb slaughtered by an Athiest or a Hindu we can eat it by saying bismillah.
It is not my description it is there in Quran in black and white , clean and clear no ifs and buts in it.
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YUSUFALI: Eat not of (meats) on which Allah's name hath not been pronounced: That would be impiety. But the evil ones ever inspire their friends to contend with you if ye were to obey them, ye would indeed be Pagans.
My comment: I do not know where is that word meat in the verse which Yusufali is talking about. He is putting words in Allah's Kalam which is a big sin.
PICKTHAL: And eat not of that whereon Allah's name hath not been mentioned, for lo! it is abomination. Lo! the devils do inspire their minions to dispute with you. But if ye obey them, ye will be in truth idolaters.
SHAKIR: And do not eat of that on which Allah's name has not been mentioned, and that is most surely a transgression; and most surely the Shaitans suggest to their friends that they should contend with you; and if you obey them, you shall most surely be polytheists.
Animals slaughtered by the People of the Book (Christians and Jews) are lawful to Muslims. This is evident from the Quran, the Sunnah and the consensus of the Muslim scholars. Allaah Says (what means): *The food (slaughtered cattle, eatable animals) of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you and yours is lawful to them. *Quran 5:5
The Prophet ate from a sheep meat offered to him by a Jewish woman. All the Muslim scholars regardless of their school of Fiqh (Hambali, Hanafi, Shaafi’ee, and Maaliki) agreed on this lawfulness. But there is a disagreement amongst the scholars over the two following issues:
First, if the person from the People of the Book slaughters without mentioning the name of Allaah on the animal he slaughters, is the meat of that animal lawful to Muslims or not? The prevailing opinion is that it is lawful.
Second, if the person from the People of the Book mentions any name other than Allaah while slaughtering like mentioning the name of Jesus or others is the meat of this animal lawful to us or not? The Hanafi school believes that this meat is unlawful to Muslims.
This opinion is also reported from the Hanbali and Shaafi’ee schools. This opinion is the most predominant in this issue.
On the other hand all animals killed by strangling, electrical shock or any means other than cutting the throat are considered dead meat and so are unlawful to Muslims.
Again if the Muslim is certain that the animal was slaughtered by the People of the Book (by cutting the throat) he can eat its meat regardless of whether the name of Allaah was mentioned on it or not.
Allah knows best.
It’s not about who slaughters it. It’s about how they slaughter it. I avoid eatings Non-Zabiha as much as I can. Not particularly because of the religion factor, but also because of Medical logic. Islam and science go hand in hand.
In Zabiha, an incision is made on only one vein -- jugular vein, the largest vein in the neck region. All the blood from the body is immediately drained. The flesh and other organs stay nice and clean. Blood is a very toxic liquid; it has uric acid, hormones/steroids (that they inject in conventional animals). If it’s not drained properly, it can diffuse into the flesh and organs of the animal. Our liver and kidney eventually cleanse the body of toxins (they do it on daily basis), but eating Non-Zabiha, pork, etc … does put a huge stress on the system. If we have too many toxins circulating in our blood, they can effect our body, mind, spirit, everything.
I am quoting the following paragraph from the book, “Nature Cures They don’t want you to know about” by Kavin Trudeau. He is not Muslim btw.
“A conventional animal is slaughtered by being shot in the head with a bolt. The animal experiences incredible pain and trauma. Adrenaline, which is highly poisonous, permeates the animal’s tissue. The blood, which is loaded with toxins also permeates the tissue. The trauma causes the energy field in and around the animal to become highly negative. The animal usually dies in its own urine and feces”
I believe Kosher meat is also Halal, because Jews are very particular about the cleanliness of the food they consume. They follow strict guidelines. The way of slaughtering is also ver similar (rather same) to how Muslims do it -- The halal way.
It’s not about who slaughters it. It’s about how they slaughter it. I avoid eatings Non-Zabiha as much as I can. Not particularly because of the religious factor, but also because of Medical logic. Islam and science go hand in hand.
In Zabiha, an incision is made on only one vein -- jugular vein, the largest vein in the neck region. All the blood from the body is immediately drained. The flesh and other organs stay nice and clean. Blood is a very toxic liquid; it has uric acid, hormones/steroids (that they inject in conventional animals). If it’s not drained properly, it can diffuse into the flesh and organs of the animal. Our liver and kidney eventually cleanse the body of toxins (they do it on daily basis), but eating Non-Zabiha, pork, etc … does put a huge stress on the system. If we have too many toxins circulating in our blood, they can effect our body, mind, spirit, everything.
I am quoting the following paragraph from the book, “Nature Cures They don’t want you to know about” by Kavin Trudeau. He is not Muslim btw.
“A conventional animal is slaughtered by being shot in the head with a bolt. The animal experiences incredible pain and trauma. Adrenaline, which is highly poisonous, permeates the animal’s tissue. The blood, which is loaded with toxins also permeates the tissue. The trauma causes the energy field in and around the animal to become highly negative. The animal usually dies in its own urine and feces”
I believe Kosher meat is also Halal, because Jews are very particular about the cleanliness of the food they consume. They follow strict guidelines. The way of slaughtering is also ver similar (rather same) to how Muslims do it -- The halal way.
Please read the above article , its gives strong reasoning why any meat given by even a muslim ( who might have forgotten to take Allah' name ) , a christian or any other faith is haram unless and until Allah's name has been taken at the time of the slaughter.
^^Hmm mirchi bro.. further elaboration will be highly appreciated !
You need elaboration for the things which have any kind of doubts in it. Quran has many verses like that and Allah allah has mentioned that fact in Quran. But this verse is very clear , no doubt in it.
I dont consider him a crook. I respect and appreciate his wisdom. He has unveiled the dirty secrets of the food politics, the FDA, the FTC, thats why people are out there to denounce him. Not everything circulating on the web is correct.
That article is based on putting words in Allah’s Kalam which is haram.
There is not mention of meat in the verse 121 or sura al Inaam.
am copyinging and pasting the arabic verse and all the translation.
وَلاَ تَأْكُلُواْ مِمَّا لَمْ يُذْكَرِ اسْمُ اللّهِ عَلَيْهِ وَإِنَّهُ لَفِسْقٌ وَإِنَّ الشَّيَاطِينَ لَيُوحُونَ إِلَى أَوْلِيَآئِهِمْ لِيُجَادِلُوكُمْ وَإِنْ أَطَعْتُمُوهُمْ إِنَّكُمْ لَمُشْرِكُونَ
Yousuf Ali has added the word meat it is not there if you look at the verse.
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YUSUFALI: Eat not of (meats) on which Allah’s name hath not been pronounced: That would be impiety. But the evil ones ever inspire their friends to contend with you if ye were to obey them, ye would indeed be Pagans.
PICKTHAL: And eat not of that whereon Allah’s name hath not been mentioned, for lo! it is abomination. Lo! the devils do inspire their minions to dispute with you. But if ye obey them, ye will be in truth idolaters.
SHAKIR: And do not eat of that on which Allah’s name has not been mentioned, and that is most surely a transgression; and most surely the Shaitans suggest to their friends that they should contend with you; and if you obey them, you shall most surely be polytheists.
On the authority of Abu Ya’la Shahddad ibn Aus, the Messenger of Allah said: “Verily Allah has prescribed proficiency in all things. Thus, if you kill, kill well; and if you slaughter, slaughter well. Let each one of you sharpen his blade and let him spare suffering to the animal he slaughters” (Muslim).
In an incident narrated by Rafi’ bin Khadij, the Prophet told Muslims who wanted to slaughter some animals using reeds, “Use whatever causes blood to flow, and eat the animals if the Name of Allah has been mentioned on slaughtering them…” (Bukhari).
** Islam being the final and perfect way of life for humanity, it supersedes all the previously revealed religions including Christianity and Judaism. The rituals in all matters were perfected by God (al-Quran 5:3)
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Jews do not pronounce the name of God on each animal while slaughtering. They feel that uttering the name of God, out of context, is wasteful. Muslims on the other hand pronounce the name of Allah on all animals while slaughtering.
That article is bases on putting words in Allah's Kalam which is haram.
There is not mention of meat in the verse 121 or sura al Inaam.
am copyinging and pasting the arabic verse and all the translation.
وَلاَ تَأْكُلُواْ مِمَّا لَمْ يُذْكَرِ اسْمُ اللّهِ عَلَيْهِ وَإِنَّهُ لَفِسْقٌ وَإِنَّ الشَّيَاطِينَ لَيُوحُونَ إِلَى أَوْلِيَآئِهِمْ لِيُجَادِلُوكُمْ وَإِنْ أَطَعْتُمُوهُمْ إِنَّكُمْ لَمُشْرِكُونَ
Mirch ... I got into doubt after reading your post and then opened the Quran and checked the verse myself .... the article has the correct verse from the Quran. If you wish , please feel free to check if yourself :
Its Surah Al-Maida verse 5... ...
This should help resolve the queries of why eating any meat that does not have Allah's name recited at slaughter time is haram ... irrespective of who you get it from , another muslim who forgot to say Allah's name , a jew or a christian .
