East Pakistan: Atrocity propaganda?

Interesting new research..challenges a few myths of millions of East Paksitanis killed..and supports things I have heard from Bengalis as well..

Army not involved in 1971 rapes

By Khalid Hasan

Washington: An academic’s investigation of conflict sites in the East Pakistan in 1971 did not come across any cases of rape of women by the Pakistan Army.

According to Professor Sarmila Bose of the George Washington University, “In all of the incidents involving the Pakistan Army in the case-studies, the armed forces were found not to have raped women. While this cannot be extrapolated beyond the specific incidents in this study, it is significant, as in many cases the allegation of rape was made along with allegations of killing in prior verbal discussions or in some cases even in written form in Bengali literature. However, when Bengali eye-witnesses, participants and survivors of the incidents were interviewed they testified to the violence and killings, but also testified that no rape had taken place.” Prof Bose was addressing a conference on the 1971 conflict arranged by the State Department to mark the release of declassified documents from that period.

Prof Bose said there has been no systematic study of the 1971 conflict which, in turn, hinders “a true understanding of a cataclysmic restructuring in modern South Asian history.”

Bengalis appear to be determined more by fewer opportunities rather than a principled stand, both sides are equal in terms of the nature of the crime. Equally, acts of humanity in the midst of a bitter conflict are found on all sides.”

She said, “The civil war of 1971 was fought between those who believed they were fighting for a united Pakistan and those who believed their chance for justice and progress lay in an independent Bangladesh. Both were legitimate political positions. All parties in this conflict embraced violence as a means to the end, all committed acts of brutality outside accepted norms of warfare, and all had their share of humanity. These attributes make the 1971 conflict particularly suitable for efforts towards reconciliation, rather than recrimination.”

She said the civil war was not merely between the two wings of Pakistan, but also within the territory of East Pakistan, between Bengalis and non-Bengalis, and among Bengalis themselves, who were bitterly divided between those who favoured independence for Bangladesh and those who supported the unity and integrity of Pakistan. She collected her data over the last three years through visits to Pakistan and Bangladesh. She visited sites of violence in the latter and interview witnesses and participants in those events.

dailytimes

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This is very interesting.. Its funny, even I have my bias towards Pakistan Army. I tend to believe it when people accuse them of attrocities in East Pakistan without question. Its good to know there is a more balanced view on what was happening. We honestly need a lot more introspection and real investigation into what was happening instead of the stuff we hear from over emotional Indian/ Bengali nationalists...

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The information on the 1971 civil war is not much only information i heard from biased sources millions of bengalis killed if that is true then it is worse than World War II and the alleged holocaust numbers.

Also the indian army where only to happy to support the civil war and stir the pot.

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Pakistani Army couldnt even if they killed a Bengali a second have killed as many people as the Indians and Bengalis report...

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Now, where did the Indians get into the picture, specifically on the numbers? Such claims are made by the Bengalis. Also remember this news item when you hear about 'atrocious rapes by the Indian army in Kashmir.

PakPatriot, atrocities do not mean only rapes. Note that the report says there were a lot of violence and killings, but not many rapes.

ps: Sarmila Bose, sounds like a Hindu Bengali.

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Bangladesh Gets No Sympathy for 1971

By Mohammad Shahidullah
[The author is a Bangladeshi journalist.]

Dated: October 23, 2000

Lately, a lot of attention has been focussed on trial of the Pakistani army personnel who were responsible for the killing of so many innocent people in Bangladesh (then East Pakistan) in 1971. I will try to provide some explanations why such a large-scale killing did not receive the kind of international and human rights groups' attention it deserved, and why the world did not move for any
justice in this case. I will also reflect on how that impacts our psyche as a nation.

** 1) Credibility: Bangladesh govt. crudely and arbitrarily made up the number of deaths during the 9-month period of 1971. Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, when released from Pakistani prison in Januray 1972, stated the death toll to be 1 lakh in London airport, 1 million in New Delhi airport and 3 million when landed in Dhaka. (Some people suggest that Sheik Mujibur Rahman confused million as English for lakh. But that is a different story). Obviously the number was not based on facts. Later, Sheikh Mujibur Rahman formed a commission to make a survey of the killings and come up with the real number.
The commission, after an exhaustive work, came up in 1973 with a death toll number, which was a 5-digit number. The results were published in newspapers briefly. The govt., in an apparent attempt to save it from a big embarrassment, hushed up the commission report and a high level decision was made to continue with the 3 million number publicly. **

(This is possible only for politicians of third world). Now, a casualty of 20,000 or 40,000 or 60,000 people in a matter of months is not a trivial thing, and is not to be taken lightly. It is a serious tragedy of mankind by any standard and in comparison to other events of the century, which deserved appropriate judicial action. Specially, the people killed were totally innocent to be a target of any army. We, Bangladeshis should not have anything to be ashamed of if the human sacrifice we made for our independence is not in millions, but in tens of thousands. Not many peoples have made that kind of sacrifice for their countries. But as the over-enthusiastic Awami League leadership wanted to take the whole credit for independence to themselves, they thought that by putting a large figure of deaths, they would increase their price in front of everybody. 2) Exaggeration: Another thing to note is that world community is not ready to buy this number of 3 million deaths. They are not as gullible as simple people of Bangladesh who hardly do any diligence behind the numbers. (Even people in India in their private conversations agree that the 1971 death toll number is absurd). They do hair-splitting investigation of everything. A death toll of 3 million over a period of 8 and a half months (266 days) means over eleven thousand people were killed everyday on an average! There is hardly any mechanism that any army can employ to kill that many people in one day (may be except by nuclear bombs) for so many days in a row. It is not possible for any force to kill that many people individually or in groups when the whole population was against the army. (Carpet bombing in Vietnam did not kill nearly as many people as someone would expect). Also, 1971 was in very modern time, and communication was quite developed then. It was highly unlikely that Pakistanis would get away with such a big genocide and the world would not know about it or not do anything about it. India and USSR were very much on Pakistan affairs then, and at least they would not let it slip unnoticed. I would even ask all of us who were adults in 1972 to take a sample survey. How many people did you know personally or your relatives who were killed in 1971? Or how many people did you know who had their relatives killed? Bangladesh is a country where people know each other unlike in USA. It is not difficult to know if people get killed. If 4% of the population was killed in a matter of months, then everybody should have some of their relatives killed. That was not the case. If you consider all the links, you will find that the death toll could not have been higher than what Sheikh Mujib's commission found out. 3) Political Motive: Bangladesh govt. was never interested in bringing to books the war criminals of the Pakistani forces. All they wanted was to make a political issue out of it and keep it alive. They were afraid that a trial of the criminals (at least 197 by the Awami League govt. account) would bring the matter to a closure, which would deprive them of a propaganda weapon. They wanted to maintain the hatred in public mind so that the Awami League govt. could cover their incompetence and failures in running the country. It also fit well their agenda to keep the Islamic forces in the country suppressed in the pretext that they were a party to the killings and until a trial happens, they will remain guilty in front of the nation. A fair trial of the Pakistani army officers would reveal facts that would cause embarrassments for many big Awami League leaders and clear the names of many of their political opponents who are always accused for taking part in killing without a charge sheet to this day. 4) Lack of Sincerity: The Awami League govt. was hardly concerned about the emotional side of the relatives and friends of the victims. In reality, very few of the Awami League leaders (even lower level ones) had lost loved ones during the 9-month period. (That can be a topic of another article). So there was no sensitivity or sense of urgency for them to work for justice for the relatives of the victims. Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, who did not lose anybody close to him, made behind the curtain deals with the Pakistani premier Bhutto (the person who was probably most responsible for the tragic events of 1971) in exchange of the war criminals. But he continued his high pitch rhetoric in public to keep his political enemies at bay. To this date, the same tactics are being used by the Awami League. When the identified war criminals were in their hands, they let them go and now they are behaving as if the Pakistani govt. rescued their army personnel by some military action. They are fooling the countrymen by their humdrum and shouting in the air for war crime trial knowing fully well that nothing will happen. 5) National Character: We have demonstrated time again how unreliable we are as a nation in giving out information. Especially our politicians have earned such notoriety as far as honesty is concerned that we do not need to elaborate. Even today, we lie about our population. When our population is nearing 150 million, we state it as over 120 million to avoid the disappointment of the donor agencies. We routinely exaggerate the numbers like percentage of literacy by a big percentage. The govts. in Bangladesh are only good at propagating lies, deceptions and falsehoods. They promise things in a flash that they know are not deliverable. They always claim credit for things that have really not happened, and for things they do not have any contribution. When our national budget's 50% comes from foreign aid, we always boast to pass a 'surplus' budget every year, which is totally farcical. These things are good for domestic consumption, but world community knows what goes in our country. Just because everybody is not blunt as Henry Kissinger was does not mean that people outside do not notice things or know things. They just tend to ignore things as petty matters in their big picture. The world community is sensitive enough not to insult the event by openly questioning the 3 million figure, but they all know it is an outrageous lie. So when the world community is consciously working to redress human tragedies in Bosnia, Kosovo, Rwanda, Kashmir, E. Timor, Chili, nobody is inclined to talk about 1971 tragedy of Bangladesh. The western world does not even recognize it as an important event of the century. It is not in the list of top genocides of the century for obvious reasons, although killings of less than half a million people got into the list (Time magazine). Apart from the fact that a considerable time has passed, we ourselves have weakened the case by our continuous dishonesty in this matter. We still hammer on the unrealistic 3 million number and are not willing to reconcile to truth. Because, in some of our hearts, we find our ego getting hurt to admit a mistake. Many of us do not really want a trial of the culprits, but are more interested in keeping a tension current in the region. This gives a good preoccupation for a section of our country, and suits the political agenda of many. Even today when 5 skulls are discovered in a grave in Mirpur, we drum it up as a 'MASS' grave. We try to sensationalize a thing that everybody already knows or expects. Because, it fits well with political timing of some special quarters. The situation now is very much like early seventies, and the party in power needs to create a lot of distraction to cover up their misdeeds. We discovered graves with many more skulls in 1972, but then we kept quiet. Why? This is the contradiction we suffer from. If we really believe 3 million people were killed in 1971, then why are we so excited to find a few skulls now? Are not 'millions' more supposedly buried in unknown graves? Discovery of 5 skulls does not go any distance to substantiate the 3 million number anyway. Some people will argue that it is an insult to the dead even to question the number of deaths now. But is it? And only 'anti- liberation' forces would do so. That is a typical response to many problems that our nation has come to face today. But if you think it carefully, we have insulted their memory more by making a farcical matter it has been reduced to. We have used them as a pawn in the narrow interest of the political parties. That is how we have treated our freedom fighters. Now we are politicizing even the children of the martyrs and using them for selfish propaganda. This is precisely why the sacrifice of our people did not (and does not) get the respect it deserved. This is the reason we did not get any justice in bringing the perpetrators of the crime to book. This has only reduced the honor of the nation to a level that we did not want. The present generation of Bangladeshis are only more confused by all these contradictions.
The publicized sacrifice of a huge number "3 million" does not inspire the nation for doing any good for the country and the society. Nobody cares to honor the people who laid down their lives (except for some politically motivated photo ops on certain days of the year). Why? We have deprived the nation of truth by distorting the history. Unless we become conscientious and do the right thing and face the truth, it may be too late to rectify the situation and we, as a nation will live a lie forever! This is called self-deception. Nothing can be more unfortunate for a nation.

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If the same news were coming from an American source saying that so far only 1 Iraqi has died in Iraq and that because he blew himself off, I would believe it but won't believe anything that comes from a Pakistani source about Pakistan. Pakistan as an ideology has failed big time.

The civil war of 1971 was fought because a Bengali won major support, and elite-e-Pakistan didn't like. So to get all the support riled up they made up a story that Pakistani capital will be moved from West Pakistan to East, and the dark Bengalis are actually Hindus pretending to be Muslims. Their skin color justified the means.

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One must read the Hamoodur Rahman Commission Report to get a fuller clearer picture.

Excerpts:

The Nature of Allegations

  1. According to the allegations generally made, the excesses committed by the Pakistani Army fall into the following categories:-

a) Excessive use of force and fire power in Dacca during the night of the 25th and 26th of March 1971 when the military operation was launched.
b) Senseless and wanton arson and killings in the countryside during the course of the “sweeping operations” following the military action.
c) Killing of intellectuals and professionals like doctors, engineers, etc., and burying them in mass graves not only during early phases of the military action but also during the critical days of the war in December 1971.
d) Killing of Bengali Officers and men of the units of the East Bengal Regiment, East Pakistan Rifles and the East Pakistan Police Force in the process of disarming them, or on pretence of quelling their rebellion.
e)Killing of East Pakistani civilian officers, businessmen and industrialists, or their mysterious disappearance from their homes by or at the instance of Army Officers performing Martial Law duties.
f) Raping of a large number of East Pakistani women by the officers and men of the Pakistan army as a deliberate act of revenge, retaliation and torture.
g) Deliberate killing of members of the Hindu minority.

It is a shame that an Islamic Pakistan couldnot keep itself united, mainy because of the West Pakistani’s rascist attitude(which still persists). Calling yourself Central Asian who are more Gora than the so called Kala Indians(Muslims ot otherwise). Is Javed Miandad a Central Asian? Bechara Kala Pakistani Hero. Was Muddasar Nazar Central Asian? Wo bhi kala tha(hai), aur ye bechara Nevved Ul Rana bhi kala hai(non Central Asian). Afridi is the real Pakistani hero(gora chitta, central Asian)!!! Parvez Mushrraf bhi gora to nahin.

Unless Pakistanis can give up their hatred for their own rality they will have more Bangladesh’s. In revenge you can try to tear away Kashmir from India, but even then you’ll keep hating the docile, peaceloving Kashmiris(gora as they may be).

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Three million killed was a false propaganda. To achieve such a rate of killing is physically impossible in nine months, for a substandard army.

Re the news item in Daily Times, nothing can surprise us even if it prints that Pak soldiers were carrying flowers for Bengali women and addressing towards them ‘oh dear and respected sister….’ in 1971

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk

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^ as mentioned previously india was only too happy to stir the pot!

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I think instead of going into statistics as how many were killed and how many were raped, I think it is high time, we must learn a lesson from our follies, which I feared we don’t. We still trying to create divisions and suppress the smaller provinces. We must learn that all the people in Pakistan are equal citizen and all of them require equal attention. There is no problem in harmony; the only think require is a big heart and that too by Punjab. I am sure and I have seen it myself that we can emerge as a best nation in the world, provided some of our materialistic and selfish politicians and bureaucrats show some sincerity to this country.

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Apart from atrocities committed by the West Pakistan Army, 95000 surrendered their arms to Indian general Manik Shah. The army had enough arms and ammunition to contend Indian army for at least six months. Had they continued their resistance to Indian army, present situation might have been different. But they gave Indians East Pakistan on tray tornishing 'Do Quami Nazria' and ending Quaid's Pakistan. That was a shameful act which can not be condoned or forgiven till Day of Judgment.

FARID

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Most propaganda and bias news come from Indian and Bangladesh sources…
History is written by the victorious, remember?!
Not to deny any wrong doing but overstating the basic numbers is a bit on the propagandist side.
Why should we accpet any numbers infact unless a real thorough and non biased investigation is made?

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Substandered! Imagine what the Indians might have accomplished had they been there instead…

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General Niazi was 100% correct to surrender Dhaka without a fight. Dhaka was so isolated form the rest of Pakistan and utterly cut off that there would have been no hope of avoiding defeat at all.

6 months of urban warfare would lead to the deaths of far too many Pakistani soldiers and Pakistani citizens (whether loyal or not, they were Pakistani citizens) in Dhaka for no benefit at all.

The war was hopelessly lost. The outcome was inevitable, Niazi’s 100% correct decision spared countless lives.

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http://www.globalwebpost.com/genocide1971/docs/jurists/4_events_march_dec.htm

THE EVENTS IN EAST PAKISTAN, 1971

Rape

Another feature on which very many accounts agree is the wholesale rape of women and young girls by Pakistan soldiers. The Bangladesh Government allege that over 70,000 women were made pregnant as a result of these rapes. Whatever the precise numbers, the teams of American and British surgeons carrying out abortions and the widespread government efforts to persuade people to accept these girls into the community, testify to the scale on which raping occurred. The officers turned a blind eye to this savagery, and when challenged denied that it occurred. In many cases the officers themselves kept young girls locked up to serve their pleasure.

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Indeed the Pakistanis raped thousands of Bangali women, the result is some fine ass Bangaladesh girls...daaaayaaaam they be fine like hell!!! Just look at them in Bollywood, on fire!

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^^Some sick people on this forum

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mad Scientist,

I am sorry I can not agree with you. There was large number of Bengalis who wanted to remain part of Pakistan. General Niazi was authority to decide what to do. He was coward so was his team of officers. They should have tried to change the image of rapists and looters and tried to resist Hindus infiltrating East Pakistan. Believe me the out come had much different than today. My very near ones were in former East Pakistan when this drama of coward ness was taking place. You know what they should have Shaeed rather than disgraced and contended.

FARID