Dupattaless culture

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I am sorry you are picking on very small things even though that is debatable but you didnt notice the 180 degree change in the lives of follower. you are labeling the tag of arabic culture on Islam, and on those followers who sacrificed their lives alongwith every single utility they had. Only things like miswak and way of drinking water was the obstacle as their arrogance against Islam.
Please do not put any local culture tag on Islam.

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These are just minor examples. Islam changed thoughts, not the way people used to live. Their staple food didn't change after Halal / Haram verses. Even many rituals in performing Haj remained intact. Whether we agree or not, Islamic injunction on purdah are still debatable among scholars and therefore, we see people following it differently across Muslim world.

I'm not putting any tag on Islam, but the fact is it was surrounded by culture of Hejaz and when it spread in other regions, it was not impediment for people of those area to exercise their culture to great extent.

Even the language of Quran was in particular style. Sahaba like Hazrat Omar (RA) used to suggest people to go to Bedouin tribes, as they used to speak in that particular style of language

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Islam changed thoughts but not the lifestyle of Arabs and that lifestyle made mandatory to follow for muslims?

is it your claim that what arabs was not willing to throw away Allah made made it part of Islam?

from their food, wine declared haram and they left. do you think if hindu muslims are dissallowed to worship cow and ordered to eat instead, similarly eating sheep should have been beclared haram for arabs?

for pardah, all the muslims are agreed on atleast covering body except wrists and face.

For language of quran, after all it had to be written in some language.

and these things does not justify the notion of 'Islam is influenced by culture of hejaaz', espacially if we agree that it is a universal religion.

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Islam is universal religion for us Muslims, but concept of modesty is not universal and followed in same manner across the world.

If we want people to accept our claim to be universal, we should be ready to accept their concept of modesty as well. My way or highway is fatal for claims of being universal

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None of the religions are universal, some principles such as humanity, truth, non violence, cleanliness are, but not the entire theology, it can never be :)

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the notion that it is universal for muslims for only, implies its not universal. anyway lets agree to disagree.

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obviously, muslim women should cover themselves from head to toe.. (including the face..)

quoting some evidences:

“O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their
Jalabeeb over them.” [Al-Ahzaab:59 ]

The Messanger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said
"the woman is awrah ( what is to be covered)" (Al-Tirmidhi)

Abu Dawood (4101) narrated that Umm Salamah said: “When the words ‘to draw their cloaks
(veils) all over their bodies ' [al-Ahzaab 33:59] were revealed, the women of the Ansaar went out
looking as if there were crows on their heads because of the covering .”

Al- Bukhaari narrated that ‘Aa'ishah said: “May Allaah have mercy on the first Muhaajir women.
When Allaah revealed the words ‘and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies,
faces, necks and bosoms)' they tore their aprons and covered their faces with them.”

It was proven in al-Saheehayn and elsewhere that a woman in ihraam is forbidden to wear the
niqaab (face veil) and gloves.
(This indicates that the niqaab and gloves were known among women who were not in ihraam, and
implies that they covered their faces and hands.)

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^ Why are women forbidden to cover their faces during Hajj?

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The topic is about culture especially in sub-continent. I do believe in Islamic injunctions about purdah, but I would not call a Hindu woman (without dupatta or without prescribed purdah in Islam) as immodest.

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not sure .. but i think when there are millions of people performing hajj and umrah.. it is very easy to get lost... i remember one Haji at muzdalifah calling out his family member because he couldnot find them... Allah is all knowing.. the messenger of Allah (saw) knew that a time will come when people coming for pilgrimage will be in millions.. so maybe not to make it too hard for muslims the ruling for hajj and umrah was changed to accomodate the muslims for this sacred ibadah..

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:hmmm:

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ab DupaTTaa tabhii vaapas aayegaa jab koii aisaa designer jise Khauf-e-Khuda ho vo DupaTTe ko fashion ke taur par mut’aarif karvaaye…Khuda kare aisaa hii ho…aameen. :slight_smile:

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What always makes me smile (in amusement) is the manner in which some hosts and news reporters drape the dupatta on their heads. I don’t wear hijab…but even in the 80s and up until now…the dupatta sits far back on the head and much of the hair in the front is shown as that looks more aesthetically appealing…but it makes me think “kya faida?”

If the kurta is loose/baggy to the point where the figure is not defined ..and I have several such kurtas…then one can get away with no dupatta. And if you pay attention, the models models in practically ALL the Pakistani lawn commercials and adverts wear the kurtas very loose and it looks so graceful. For some strange reason many of the Desi women don’t emulate the models and instead wear their lawn kurtas very fitted…and it doesn’t look as appealing…especially if you’re on the curvier/pudgier/heavier end and …and it looks even worse if you’re not gonna wear a dupatta especially when guys are around. My cousins in pak wear their lawn fitted…or will get it fitted…thankfully they wear a dupatta. Dupatta has its own charm and grace…especially when draped across the shoulders and allowed to cover…and you’ll even find actresses (sonam kapoor etc ) portraying this look at times and it’s so graceful. I’m not a huge fan of the throw it over one shoulder look.

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Kurta supposed to wear dheela dhalaa…

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they are not forbidden to cover their faces. You are not supposed to have any cloth touching your face in the state of ehraam, whether you are a guy or a lady.

During hajj, many ladies wear a baseball cap kind of head gear with a scarf hanging over it, to cover their faces without any cloth touching the face.

So the belief that the restriction is so women can be recognized in case they are lost is just a myth

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It is the region where modesty of women is measured through yard of clothes :slight_smile:

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:ast: Stop looking at larki kurtas…