Dual identity - Pakistani and Indian

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Would those details include the registration numbers of the guns in my father’s gun collection, with a description of how accurate his target practice is? :chilly:

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^ you go sehryshy! :roman:

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Bravo! EXACTLY my point. I have pride in my roots, both Pakistani and Indian.

BUT, the next step is loyalty. If we separate pride in our roots from loyalty - can they be loyal to both?

CM used the example of war - something, most of us pray never happens in our lifetime, so let's use the following examples where "loyalty" is tested:

  1. War
  2. Sporting events
  3. Economic success
  4. International stature

Where and when do loyalties have to be declared for one nation and when can you support both without being disloyal to the other?

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Sometime soon a handsome Pakistani man will step up and will make a true , honest , patriotic Pakistani out of you :jhanda:

Btw who you favor in a India-Pakistan cricket match ? Trust me its litmus test for your loyalties :smiley:

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Cricket puts me to sleep. Now ice hockey is a different matter altogether...

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I think we should be honest with ourselves and appreciate the positive things and criticise the negative things about both countries.

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You are a Canadian damn it :smack:

Yea now you have to decide between America and Canada :smiley:

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Awww . . . such a mod’s reply . . . how cute :cb:

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No but seriously I have never ever felt hatred towards India… I was in Pakistan during the Kaargil war, I was too young to understand what was going on but I remember pakistanis were quite pissed off at India… And India was making hate movies on Pakistan… Even back then I was like dude what the heck is all this hate for?.. I have never hated India, I have many great friends from India … the only thing that pissed me off recently was the super dramatic bollywood-inspired indian media :nahi: they love to spice things up and present news star plus style

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My grandparents are from India too. More than half of my family still resides in India but my loyalty will always be for Pakistan. Simply because I was born in Pakistan and will always be a Pakistani, my roots that I share with India mean very little to me. To me loyalty to both sides is possible and also impossible. It's like having two religions.

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if you are a pakistani, born in Pakistan, your loyalty should be with your country but as Lucid said, not at the expense of hating all things indian.

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reminds me of Sheyn’s signatures ..Guns don’t kill people ! Dads with pretty daughters Do !

:hehe:

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We're one and the same people...we're one and the same.

Wait, that was an Audioslave song.

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Jeez, you know I'm at this point in my life where I have to admit that I love Pakistanis although I'm an Indian. I have been to both countries, lived with both sets of people and can only say that there so much rubbish that has tainted our hearts. I think if we as humans and citizens of the world can be unbiased we can see the strengths and weaknesses of both people openly.

Anyhow, I hope my daughters grow up to love whichever country from what their experiences are and not from what they hear from media and/or people, just like I do.

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England..:slight_smile:

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Niksik
i think the unbiased thoughts that pakistanis have of indians and indians have of pakistanis can only happen with human interaction. although i am indian american i have interacted so much with pakistanis and seriously, i would like to visit pakistan hopefully within 40 or 50 yrs time, by then i'm so hoping the two countries have better relations just so i could visit

arleitter and even you have visited

i've read so many articles of the aam pakistanis being very hospitable and welcoming :)

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Manisha, are u cute?
if so, many guys will be very hospitable and welcoming

nudge CM..aa jao jaldi say yahan.

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The Bold part in above quoted statement is the real bone of contention - How come you acclaim yourself as a Muhajir , just on the basis of the fact that you Grands moved from what is currently an Indian territory, to Pakistan post-partition.

We all bloody need to own this country - My grand parents including my father , who was born in India - migrated to Pakistan - They were immigrants or Muhajirs not me . neither me mah who was born in pakistan .

Still half my naniyal lives in India - and half in pakistan - but does it make those living in India to love Pakistan - na it doesn't !

I have spoken to many of them and they are more Indian than any Ram Gopal or Sukivernder singh you know .

So why cant we just be Pakistani - instead of labelling ourselves as Muhajirs .

This is the real Dilemma of this muhajir nation - while living in India , they used to miss Ispahan , Qandahar ( Sab sale Irani , TooRani or Afghani thay ) . Now the same nostalgia ' mein tori chaNaa kah looN ge , mo'hay laay chal tu JaamNa k paaR '

bloody hell !

They all must have had ' Podene k BaaGh ' in what is currently an Indian territory - but what ever I am , I am because of this place called Pakistan . No matter I live or where I work

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if we do away with labels and questionable words to describe identity etc wats the verdict on ppl who were bot born in Pak and did not grow up in Pak, should they have any loyalties to teh country, or forget loyalties should they have a soft spot for the place? at what point do u stop having a soft spot? when it is no longer relevant to you? confusing bit i guess

and I dont think loyalty is the right word, having a soft spot for a place is. I mean I will always have a soft spot for Riyadh since i spent a good deal of my childhood there, but I have no loyalty to KSA.

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I Agree with your point of view !!!!!!!! many even today do forget that father of Pakistan was son of India !!!!!!!