How do you have an emotional attachment to a place that you have never lived for an extended period of time and more so where you have no connection save for extended family?My family is Mohajir as well. While I identify as Pakistani and not by the term. I honestly have more steady roots in the US or Switzerland than in Pakistan. But my loyalty is also applies to Pakistan because it is the culture I was brought up in, the society that defines me in the US and in Switzerland.
Also no you can’t have loyalties to both. The next time we have a war and don’t worry there will be a next time, you gonna cheer on the Indians to kill Pakistanis?
And TLK please. Double the number of Muslims than Pakistan? So The Muslim Minority in India is close to 320 million people? More than Indonesia? So India is infact the largest Muslim state and not Indonesia, then Pakistan and then Bangladesh? I guess the Encyclopedia got it all wrong
Yeah wikipedia is not a good source for political information as it is always edited by individuals. India has always claimed it is the largest disaspora of Muslims abroad. But officially according to statistics, its Indonesia, Pakistan and then Bangladesh. After which India plays its role as the 4th largest Muslim population.
Yeah wikipedia is not a good source for political information as it is always edited by individuals. India has always claimed it is the largest disaspora of Muslims abroad. But officially according to statistics, its Indonesia, Pakistan and then Bangladesh. After which India plays its role as the 4th largest Muslim population.
Double the population is not the point. The fact that there are more than 150 mil muslims in India, we have to realize that the country is playing a huge role in the growth and establishment of Islam. Should not that be a good reason to feel attached to that country.
raised abroad but still within Pakistani community. Spend some time of my Life in Pakistan. Loved it more than anything else
Many Indian workers (as we are talking about Pakistan and India) use to respect of my Father because he use to take more care of them being the field engineer and not to indulge any discrimination. Although few of them had some problem even after getting equal rights
The Cook (who use to cook for us) was Indian Muslim. You can say I spent my life with really colored cultural combination. Indians (from different provinces), Bangladeshi, Pakistani (from different provinces), Egyptians, Syrian, Somali, Sudani, now Germans
Hey if that is the case why not feel for France as well? It has the highest Muslim diaspora in Europe. It boosts a cadre of Imams that established the Muslim Brotherhood and plays a host to a "moderate" line of thinking in the Islamic world a la Tariq Ramadan (I think that is his last name).
Hey if that is the case why not feel for France as well? It has the highest Muslim diaspora in Europe. It boosts a cadre of Imams that established the Muslim Brotherhood and plays a host to a "moderate" line of thinking in the Islamic world a la Tariq Ramadan (I think that is his last name).
We should all be proud frenchies as well.
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There are more ties to India than many of us have with France. And btw, I have nothing against France, I feel very indifferent about that country.
Then that is a personal choice and not a matter of fact or logic. But one of subjective emotions. You feel attached. Good for you. Others do too. Good for them. But it is by no means a logical decision based on some idealistic notion.
LP you just want to mess with me. Its 4 freaking am in Pakistan. If its both, she/he should find a third nationality and choose that. If not she/he should migrate to Timbaktu and become a Buddhist monk.
Its same like having majority of Indian IT Developers working in a company in any foreign country rather than Pakistani IT Developers. I dont know why you want to compare them.
Indian is having est 1180 mil population out of them if 160 mil are Muslims is that a huge number, if you compare that?
Where as Pakistan is having 174 mil having 96% Muslims.
You’re certainly not alone in the way you feel Sehrysh. I consider myself a fairly patriotic Pakistani but I do not share the same hatred towards India that I often see in other people who confuse their patriotism for Pakistan with abomination of anything India related. I fail to see how anyone who is a Pakistani can deny their ancestry in India, but many here naively believe that their entire pedigree is Arab or Aryan based.
I’ve personally had the opportunity to visit our ancestral homes in India, read literature written by my great grandparents about their freedom fighting struggles against the British, and first hand accounts of the events leading up to the participation. I've also studied the political history of the subcontinent written by neutral observers. Perhaps this is why I see things a little differently as well. I wouldn’t go as far as saying that I have loyalties towards India, but I certainly do not have abhorrence for everything Indian.
You miss my point aaho. This is what I was getting at
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My great great grandparents migrated from India (the territory) to Pakistan before partition. My loyalties lie with Pakistan but that does not exude an automatic hatred for India or Indians. I've been to India once and the hospitality and warmth originating from the common man was commendable, just like it is in Pakistan.
As for questioning the loyalty of other Pakistanis, you can be loyal to Israel and I wouldn't care less. I would think you are an asshole for sure but not gonna question you. You do your thang.
How do you have an emotional attachment to a place that you have never lived for an extended period of time and more so where you have no connection save for extended family?
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So does this mean that we should question the affection for Pakistan claimed by all of the non-resident Pakistanis whose immediate families live abroad? Affection for Pakistan should then die with the emigrant generation since their children have have neither lived in Pakistan for extended periods and save for extended family, they have no other connection to Pakistan.**
My family is Mohajir as well. While I identify as Pakistani and not by the term. I honestly have more steady roots in the US or Switzerland than in Pakistan. But my loyalty is also applies to Pakistan because it is the culture I was brought up in, the society that defines me in the US and in Switzerland.
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Also no you can't have loyalties to both.**** The next time we have a war and don't worry there will be a next time, you gonna cheer on the Indians to kill Pakistanis?**
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Why measure or test loyalty only in times of war? Why should loyalty have to be declared in anticipation of war?**
Not to dilute the serious nature of the post, but using my nieces as an example, they are dual citizens of the US and Canada - and cute little things they are, they root for American teams for many sports, but Canada when it comes to hockey. Despite US-Canadian rivalries, they were taught that they can be loyal to both countries.
I'm not ignorant about either the history or the current political climate in India and Pakistan. But, I find the absolute statements of condemnation of either country to smack of intolerance.
@ TLK: Given that Nikki is from India and you're from Pakistan, what message do you share with your daughters about their "loyalties"?
@ TLK: Given that Nikki is from India and you're from Pakistan, what message do you share with your daughters about their "loyalties"?
They love both countries. They are not at the age where they could understand the rivalry that our countries share. I want my daughters to respect both countries and feel attached to them. Their hatred towards one is not going to change their roots so why even put that thought. They should be proud of their roots just like I am proud of mine.
