Kumayl called at the house where Imam Ali was staying, and requested him to acquaint him with Prophet Khizr's "Du'a". Imam Ali asked Kumayl to sit down, record and memorise the "Du'a" which Imam Ali dictated to Kumayl.
thanks for the link. i have posted part of the detail from the link
that you have given.please, read it carefully and tell me what is wrong with it.
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Do you know what the word bid'at means? I think I should start a thread on what bid'at is. You need to learn a lot my friend.
So according to you and other people, if a dua is not present in Quran and Hadith then it is bid'ah?
Do you use only the words taught by the Prophet while making dua? I see maulvis of masjid praying for Palestine, and for well being of Muslim Ummah. Is it bid'ah too? How about elaborate du'as of Imam e Kaaba at the time of Hajj? Did Prophet teach us those duas?
Most of you have not even seen this dua. I have read it and I have read its translation. It is a very beautiful dua.
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do you think Imam e Kaaba will continue HIS DUAS year after year.
i have posted Koran and Hadith. and all your posting is hearsay.
Rehman;
Please see verse 2:186.
The prayer to which response is promised should be a sincere cry from the depth of the heart. Ahl-bait are the pure and sinless progeny of the holy prophet (pbuh) and everything they teach or relate is from the prophet (pbuh).
As such, making duas was taught to us by the prophet (pbuh) and is not an innovation. Any cry for help or request to Allah (swt) for help/forgiveness is a dua. The duas of the prophet (pbuh) and the ahl-bait are eloquent and an effective way of invocating Allah (swt)'s help.
You can chose how to structure yr duas. If you want to recite verses of the qur'an as duas, that is fine. So are duas related to us by our prophet (pbuh) and his progeny.
There is no compulsion is what you need to do.
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Rehman;
Please see verse 2:186.
The prayer to which response is promised should be a sincere cry from the depth of the heart. Ahl-bait are the pure and sinless progeny of the holy prophet (pbuh) and everything they teach or relate is from the prophet (pbuh).
As such, making duas was taught to us by the prophet (pbuh) and is not an innovation. Any cry for help or request to Allah (swt) for help/forgiveness is a dua. The duas of the prophet (pbuh) and the ahl-bait are eloquent and an effective way of invocating Allah (swt)'s help.
You can chose how to structure yr duas. If you want to recite verses of the qur'an as duas, that is fine. So are duas related to us by our prophet (pbuh) and his progeny.
There is no compulsion is what you need to do.
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Sir
You again missed the point. When you say taught by Hazrat Ali (rh)
where are the references. Just pasting material from Internet without
proper citations is UNETHICAL. How can you say That this dua or any for that matter is related to Ahl-Bait.
When you attribute something to Ameer al-Mu’mineen ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib (may Allah be pleased with him), please give proper citations.
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Sir
You again missed the point. When you say taught by Hazrat Ali (rh)
where are the references. Just pasting material from Internet without
proper citations is UNETHICAL. How can you say That this dua or any for that matter is related to Ahl-Bait.
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It has been related to us through our imams (as) in our (shia) sources. The object of this thread is not to convince you of our sources. So you asked, now you know. I will not go into the details of which shia books as it is of no importance.
We also have a large number of duas related by our 4th imam, Imam Zain al abideen, as we do from all of our 12 imams (as). FYI.
ws
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do you think Imam e Kaaba will continue HIS DUAS year after year.
i have posted Koran and Hadith. and all your posting is hearsay.
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So you think it is wrong if a dua is repeated year after year?
And how is my posting hearsay?
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*Originally posted by rehman1: *
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to say, when beginning a khutbah (sermon): "… The best of speech is the Book of Allaah and the best of guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The worst of things are those which are newly-invented, and every innovation is a going astray…" (reported by Muslim, no. 867)
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Did Prophet ask you to say "Assalato khairum minan naum" in namaaz? Is it a newly invented thing or not?
MAy be dua is right if it do not contain any thing shirk and is not considerd as a sawab thing.......
but the question of khizar alihaysalam?.............i dont get it ...what is wrong with hadrat khizer meeting hadrat ali .................?
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*Originally posted by Gandalf: *
It has been related to us through our imams (as) in our (shia) sources. The object of this thread is not to convince you of our sources. So you asked, now you know. I will not go into the details of which shia books as it is of no importance.
We also have a large number of duas related by our 4th imam, Imam Zain al abideen, as we do from all of our 12 imams (as). FYI.
ws
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There are of no importance.Ok. But my Mashwara when you
try to misquote the Imam Ali, just think about it for a second that
how unethical it is. I don't even want to go in Madahbe details.
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*Originally posted by Prince Abbas: *
So you think it is wrong if a dua is repeated year after year?
And how is my posting hearsay?
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Sir
I have quoted koran and Hadith. And what have you quoted.
Nothing. Please, do not try to mislead Muslims.
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*Originally posted by Gandalf: *
Rehman;
Please see verse 2:186.
The prayer to which response is promised should be a sincere cry from the depth of the heart. Ahl-bait are the pure and sinless progeny of the holy prophet (pbuh) and everything they teach or relate is from the prophet (pbuh).
As such, making duas was taught to us by the prophet (pbuh) and is not an innovation. Any cry for help or request to Allah (swt) for help/forgiveness is a dua. The duas of the prophet (pbuh) and the ahl-bait are eloquent and an effective way of invocating Allah (swt)'s help.
You can chose how to structure yr duas. If you want to recite verses of the qur'an as duas, that is fine. So are duas related to us by our prophet (pbuh) and his progeny.
There is no compulsion is what you need to do.
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Ahl-bait are the pure and sinless progeny of the holy prophet (pbuh) and everything they teach or relate is from the prophet (pbuh).
Sir
Only Prophets are sinless. Koran talks about in detail.
Not some human fabrications.
Sir
Its not a argument for the sake argument. You are trying
to post something that is not proven. And i am asking about the
authencity.Its not a boxing match or something. Plz dil per na le.
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*Originally posted by rehman1: *
Sir
I have quoted koran and Hadith. And what have you quoted.
Nothing. Please, do not try to mislead Muslims.
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You have quoted hadith without its proper understanding. And hence you are not just misleading yourself but others as well.
It is obvious that you are wrong in your interpretation of this hadeeth when we see that "assalato khairum minan naum" was an innovation by Hazrat Umar, but is acceptable by everyone. Similarly, another innovation by Hazrat Umar was the Taraweeh prayer in congregation.
It clearly means that innovations can be good and bad. All scholars of Islam agree on "bid'at e hasana".
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*Originally posted by Prince Abbas: *
You have quoted hadith without its proper understanding. And hence you are not just misleading yourself but others as well.
It is obvious that you are wrong in your interpretation of this hadeeth when we see that "assalato khairum minan naum" was an innovation by Hazrat Umar, but is acceptable by everyone. Similarly, another innovation by Hazrat Umar was the Taraweeh prayer in congregation.
It clearly means that innovations can be good and bad. All scholars of Islam agree on "bid'at e hasana".
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I will answer your questions.But first please tell me, WHAT is the source of the DUA that is mentioned. And second it seems that you have agreed that it is innovation. But as you said a good one.
In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.
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YUSUFALI: O Ye who believe! Put not yourselves forward before Allah and His Messenger; but fear Allah: for Allah is He Who hears and knows all things.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Be not forward in the presence of Allah and His messenger, and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is Hearer, Knower.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! be not forward in the presence of Allah and His Messenger, and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; surely Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
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*Originally posted by Prince Abbas: *
You have quoted hadith without its proper understanding. And hence you are not just misleading yourself but others as well.
It is obvious that you are wrong in your interpretation of this hadeeth when we see that "assalato khairum minan naum" was an innovation by Hazrat Umar, but is acceptable by everyone. Similarly, another innovation by Hazrat Umar was the Taraweeh prayer in congregation.
It clearly means that innovations can be good and bad. All scholars of Islam agree on "bid'at e hasana".
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All Scholars of Islam agree. Please, quote them. Are you sure abt it.
Or another fabrication.
Abt Taraweeh Prayers:
“Whoever prays qiyaam in Ramadaan out of faith and in the hope of reward, his previous sins will be forgiven.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 37; Muslim, 760
And the word is sunnah hasanah. In case you didn't knew. Just like
the origins of the DUA.
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*Originally posted by Prince Abbas: *
"when we see that "assalato khairum minan naum" was an innovation by Hazrat Umar, but is acceptable by everyone. Similarly, another innovation by Hazrat Umar was the Taraweeh prayer in congregation"
I don't have the answer to this question of yours. I will try to find out.
And one more thing i am just curious you use the word "WE" and "US"
a lot.
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*Originally posted by Gandalf: *
Rehman;
Please see verse 2:186.
The prayer to which response is promised should be a sincere cry from the depth of the heart. Ahl-bait are the pure and sinless progeny of the holy prophet (pbuh) and everything they teach or relate is from the prophet (pbuh).
As such, making duas was taught to us by the prophet (pbuh) and is not an innovation. Any cry for help or request to Allah (swt) for help/forgiveness is a dua. The duas of the prophet (pbuh) and the ahl-bait are eloquent and an effective way of invocating Allah (swt)'s help.
You can chose how to structure yr duas. If you want to recite verses of the qur'an as duas, that is fine. So are duas related to us by our prophet (pbuh) and his progeny.
There is no compulsion is what you need to do.
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Not related to the topic.
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*Originally posted by rehman1: *
There are of no importance.Ok. But my Mashwara when you
try to misquote the Imam Ali, just think about it for a second that
how unethical it is. I don't even want to go in Madahbe details.
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Follower of the unguided caliphs is telling us that we are misquoting Imam Ali (as) in his dua that has been passed down to us through the pure ahl.
How funny. Why dont you stay in your place and quote your fabricated hadiths from Bukhari et al?
Your scholars were the students while our imams(as), the pure progeny of the prophet (pbuh) taught them about the religion of their grandfather (pbuh).
As far as the dua is concerned, I am least bothered if you believe in it or not.
As far as I'm concerned, this topic is closed.