p.s. It's a fact that Pakistani university education isn't the same as the UK for example <<< not really!
Yea. Really. As proven by yourself because for all intents and purposes, you have repeated every single one of my points whilst under the illusion that we are in disagreement. However, I shall be kind enough to assume that is a singular fault on your part and not the problem of an entire very different to uk nation of Pakistani-Graduates.
sorry to break it to you as well .. but pakistani identity was never clear ... people are still throwing stones at each for having different opinions .... and language is not the only thing that determines it ... culture is an evolution under the effects of everything that is around ... more than a pakistani identity, you are trying to preserve your "muslimhood" ... if you want to be a pakistani ... then go back there ... and live with ALL its benefits and side-effects! because being a pakistani is a term that comes with a lot more than just urdu ...
in my opinion, pakistanis abroad and pakistanis at home are two absolutely different kind of people. they live in different cultures and society ... they have different priorities ... different frame of mind ... they have separate issues ... everything is different ...
This is quite interesting I think. It is a case of betraying loyalties. Who has a large hand in keeping the pakistani economy afloat? Expats. Who invests disproportionately back into what they consider their home countries...Expats. Who gives to charities back in Pakistan more so than in their locality? Again, ex-pats.
Who defends the (almost righteously) tarnished name of Pakistan in the West? Goes to watch the bakwas and moody cricket team all around the world? Contributes positively to health care, education, research?
And is then disowned by someone who is unaware of their cultural struggle?
Double Damnation.
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I have to agree to hitchki on this one. From what I have seen, expats have done significant contribution towards their country despite living abroad. However, I am talking only about educated and cultured ones not the ones that come abroad illegally then try every trick in the book to make a few bucks and give our country a bad name.
And I hate to admit it, but I have to agree that pakistani girls in general, especially coming from big cities are kinda wannabees when they come abroad. Way too much cunning !!
This one girl I know, boasted how she was "from Islamabad" and thought going out with goras, hanging in their cars and having dinners with them was being modern. Ewww !!!
So far as chalaki is concerned, yes, girls in the East are more Sly and Cunning. But rather than that being a water borne trait - its a result of extended families. People who live admist competition are more likely to be sharper and on-the-ball, so to speak. Nothing wrong with that. In fact seeda-pan is quite the turn off. We must be the only culture who reverrs village idiots.
So off-topic but while we are talking about stereotypes, whats wrong with seedha-pan? I have had to deal with chalak women all of my life, one of my cousins alone with her sister and mom, breaking up the entire family, and by no means is that charming or attractive.
I guess your definition of chalak is intellegence(which is attactive). When we say chalak we mean cunning, plotting, evil. And if you think they only exist in movies and soaps, you gotta meet the women i know!
there are good institutes in pakistan as well ... the number of which you can count on the fingers of your ONE hand ... and good schooling as well .... most foreign based pakis kids that come home cant even cope up with the education in schools there .. becuz it iss TOUGH to keep up and go beyond the rest of the world .... paki kids scroe higher than anyone else (GCSE/GCE)
this ONLY link expats have with the REAL pakistani government is the money they send home .. and how the government doesnt take care of them ... AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW ...
and i am so tired of immigrants forming community groups ... you want to LIVE in someone else's country ... but find it oh-so-ewww to hang out with them ... hypocrisy ... and i am also tired of explaining to every gora coming to me and asking the same question of why people from other countries want to come to our country ... but find it disgusting to integrate with us!
EVIL PEOPLE ARE ON BOTH SIDES ... GOOD PEOPLE ARE ON BOTH SIDES ... BUT IF YOU HAVE SUCH ISSUES WITH PAKISTANI PEOPLE ... TRAIN YOUR PARENTS TO STOP GETTING YOU PARTNERS FROM THERE!
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farrah, if anybody has any issues, it seems to be you. Your last post is really arrogant and insulting. Your little paragraph in caps doesn't leave much to be desired considering everything else you just wrote.
I'm so sick of the superiority attitude.
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reality bites.
ofcourse the majority here is rakhshandaz and manzoors ... so they will support each other ...
too bad i came looking here for ... oh well ...
at least i know what to stay clear of ...
CLOSE THREAD.
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Please do the west a favour and stay in Pakistan.
Thanks.
lol... i havent read such an awesome post in AGES
on the other hand i agree with points made my aahmed and PSquared..
PSquared... do you really think not allowing ur kids to do their own shopping.. or to even go to a mall till they are in their late teens.. is ok? hmmm
Sadzzz, its not about what I think is okay or not. Its more about what our parents did to make sure they created a mini-Pakistan in our home because they were afraid of what might happen if they didnt. You and I know better and are more comfortable in our surroundings (the West) then our parents were. We probably will not be that way with our kids. My parents didnt like the culture and were threatened by it so they did what they thought was best to ensure my moral safety. They were raised in an even stricter environment so according to them, they were being fairly lenient.
one question... being a strict parent, is that what makes us become "good" pakistanis in western countries? is that what instills the culture in us?
i find it hard to understand this notion... id like to instill good morals in my daughter, but i dont think being strict is the answer.
Like aahmed, i try my best to speak to her in my tooto phooti urdu, lekin watever, i try my best... but im not going to stop her from doing things. Im hoping, by talking to her, by giving her an example, she will learn for herself... like i did
I dont know what makes a good parent or not because I am not a mother. I hope to become one someday Inshallah. When that happens, I guess I'll know what Im talking about in that regard.
What I do know is my parents did their very best and I cannot find fault in anything they did because it made me who I am today. I am very proud of myself and even though it was very rough growing up with so many rules and absolutely no freedom, I can understand every single one of their fears and am grateful. I may not have gone to the mall, but was that such a loss? It sure felt like it at that point but what doesnt at 15? I got other things out of it that stayed with me a lot longer and continue to help me grow.
Who knows the recipe for the perfect parent? No one does, everyone just does their best...whatever that may be...for their children.
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farrah you wanted a discussion, you got a discussion. What happened to the drum roll? :(
there are good institutes in pakistan as well ... the number of which you can count on the fingers of your ONE hand ... and good schooling as well .... most foreign based pakis kids that come home cant even cope up with the education in schools there .. becuz it iss TOUGH to keep up and go beyond the rest of the world .... paki kids scroe higher than anyone else (GCSE/GCE)
There are tons of good schools in pakistan but that is not true that paki kids score higher than anyone else.
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and i am so tired of immigrants forming community groups ... you want to LIVE in someone else's country ... but find it oh-so-ewww to hang out with them ... hypocrisy ... and i am also tired of explaining to every gora coming to me and asking the same question of why people from other countries want to come to our country ... but find it disgusting to integrate with us!)
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That is not true either. My parents have great relationships with many families who happen to be gora, hindus, italians and arab. You truely don't get to see diversity unless you set foot outside Pakistan.
If we truely want and care about betterment of OUR people - we wouldn't sit here and type about differences but try to learn from each other's experiences.
As you wish 
Signed, ABCD (since I dont know what the hell a rakhshanda and manzoor is)
