Drop scene... Autumn again

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The Tehreer square, which was symbol of Arab spring movement in Egypt and was used a lot in our politics… After 2 years of Husni’s departure from presidential palace and few thousands Egyptian killed… Army is back in the presidency… So much for the Tehreer square…

Then comes Damascus, revolutionary movements led the country in deadly civil war, scores were killed by govt and rebels, hundred of thousands fled to neighboring countries where they are living in rags, whereas, back in Damascus, Bashaar ul Asad is still there and no chance of he going any where…

Now about Tunis, from all this started, any reforms, any development for the people… Last I knew nothing happened, only few faces have changed people are still suffering…

All of them failed and now Pakistan is the target,while Army already busy with TTP, unrest is being promoted in the country…

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well pak is ahead of arab and their springs.
we have endured more attempts.

We are ok.

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I don't see any true comparison, all the countries were under "dictatorship" where "spring" took place, Pakistan does not have 'dictatorship'. Besides, there is no "spring" coming up, it will be just another picnic party for some.

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Another useless thread! oh gawd this guy

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Who has promoted this unrest? Can you be more specific? Elected leaders do not act like criminals and kill people in cold blood. You have been very much staunch opponent of Altaf Hussain who kills or get dissenters killed like SS has emerged now. But still I am confused. A party who has heavy mandate in Punjab and ruling in the center why it has to act like Zia-ul-Haq?

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It is the government itself that is reacting stupidly to dissent, promoting unrest, banning channels, appointing ad hoc chiefs of institutions, reacting violently, calling out people needlessly.

Of course there would be opposition, demonstrations and agitation. Why does the government think there should be no opposing voice? They should deal with opposition with maturity. They have strong government, why do they worry so much if some people have a different point of view?

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I wonder what the issue is, and why the government is so scared of dissent? Isn't it part of democracy? Or is this the new form of democracy? Why the nervousness now when it was justified in Musharraf and zardari's time? Not very long ago the present ruling party was leading a long march towards Islamabad. I am sorry to say but comparing ppp and PMLN, suddenly the former stands out for its tolerance to dissent. Before the elections people used to say that Nawaz is a changed man after his ouster from politics for over a decade, but recent events tell the same old story.

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Nawaz Sharif was brought up in Zia's style of democracy. He is used to getting his way without having to consult, or deal with dissent. His post-election speech asked for a 'unified mandate'. Hamara mandate split kar kay hamaray haath na bandhna. And then now, in every other speech, he can be heard saying something like "yeh kaam kyoon nahi karnay dey rahay" etc. Apparently drowning your country in deep debt is a heavy duty kaam.

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Valid point. Best course of action would have been to work with PAT people to provide security to TUQ & let him sit in middle of road wherever he wanted to sit like the last time. Instead govt mishandled the whole thing & made this chanda khoor mullah into hero.

Btw, Zardari made some mistake early on too, but he realized that better way to deal with and govern was to work with people instead trying to make unnecessary enemies. He learned fast, but I doubt if NS/SS will learn anything from this incident. They are not learning type personalties.

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Nawaz was a dictator in 99, remember the Ameer ul Momineen episode? People used to say that he was a changed man after a decade of exile. Does the recent events depict him as a changed man? Its the attitude of NS which has always brought his government down, this time could be the same...Could TuQ or Sheikh Rashid brought down the government? No. Nawaz Sharif asks opposition to let him work (and not distract him) while Pervez Rasheed wants those 'trying to overthrow the government' be treated as terrorists. We have seen what happened two days back, and we can also discuss the police encounters which have taken place in previous PMLN regimes.

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A huge and well deserved slap on the face of his so called popular government run by wannabe Ameer ul Momineen that Zardari's regime is now getting praised for being tolerant of dissent voices. There's something deeply unpleasant and sinister behind Nawas Sharif's innocent Shrek like exterior. For a change, I really think it might save him his government and life long exile in some Saudi Sheikh's harem, if he can just make his mind about manning up for once and facing the debates and all criticism from forefront. He's a fairly squarely not so vaguely an hour early declared Prime Minister of Pakistan. What's stopping him from leading an open debate instead of giving veiled orders and hints to suppress any opposing voice in his speeches like a gutless, brainless and shameless rex.

But then again why would even make the mistake of expecting such civilised conduct from politicians born from the womb of a nasty violent dictator. Yes, Zia ul Haq is the name in case someone is still wondering.

Btw, I absolutely love how suddenly these protests are leaving PMLN and their supporters all jittery and spooked out and desperate for help while only few weeks ago goons like Rana Sanaullah and supporters were laughing their way out of every single interview saying good luck to these for getting any attention. Well, well, well....

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I think better comparison would be between Nawaz sharif's style of government and Saudi monarchy. They also allow zero dissent on anything the master family wants to do. Nawaz being a Saudi admirer, has obviously learnt their style of suffocating all voice of dissent.

Just like Saudi family, he even considers his family to be some sort of royal family of Pakistan. So just like Saudis appoint aal Saud to all government positions, Nawaz also appoints only Sharifiyay to all government posts.

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Since the attack on Hamid meer, plz let me know if there is no unrest in the country since then? Plz tell me the tout of army, sheikh Rasheed is not out in open, this guy have one seat in assembly and is acting as he is the only opposition party or us the head of opposition party in parliament, same is the case of Pervaiz Elahi, like shk Rasheed they have one or two seats in assembly... Both are known to be close aide of former COAS Gen pervaiz Musharraf, and are offering to become their civil aide again

More importantly, TuQ is coming, what stake does he have in current political setup? None and he is going to be here to bring the revolution which seemingly was promised in Tunis, Egypt, Libya, Syria and Yemen and which offered nothing but total destruction of these countries throwing them decades back...

I hope you remember prior to Nizam-e-mustapha movement in 1977, Pakistan had monopoly over textiles in European markets and dye to unrest and what followed later, Pakistan lost it all together to other countries...

Now after a decade of army rule, politician were bringing back the country on the course of development, massive projects throughout the country, foreign investments in these projects and all this will vanish with what us going on right now...

Since Zardari rejected the idea of agitation, they have turned to IK, AND using him to fail this process... This govt like previous have numerous faults but it must continue to complete its tenure and let the international investors know that despite all odds, Pakistan is politically stable country, something Srilanks, Bangladesh and India enjoys and Pakistan can dream only...

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Slap!

When where how...and plz iam still waiting for alternate.. I hope you have not ignored it...

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This is very serious allegation. NS should take major parities into confidence and make sure that adventurers will never succeed him again. I am no fan of PML(N) or NS, but I will be the last person to support another military disaster over democratic set up.

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If Sh Rasheed, Elahi and TUQ are politically insignificant, why is the government worried so much and panicking? Why not just let them bark? It is only by reacting to these insignificant elements that the government is giving them importance. Sheikh Rasheed's assertions can easily be rebutted in a logical, civil manner in 5 minutes. Notice how he avoids talk shows where there are guests other than him? A sane person from PML(N) should take time out and without raising voice rebut all his claims.

From the time that sitting CM was leading protests against loadshedding, to the time that the same CM is not willing to listen to any dissenting voice, is not a long distance.

Major political forces in Pakistan; PPP and PML would resist military takeover. As of now, most of the common people would not want military to take over as well. A few more of government's stupid actions like the recent ones, and people might consider military takeover as an alternative.

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App ko waqaye bat key samajh nahi aati?

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^ bat samajh aa jati hai, bongiyaan nahee.

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Lagta tu nahi!

Tu Bhai bongiyoon ko ignore Ker Kay aagay barh jaya karain... Hum jaisay chotay logoon Kay munh na laga karain...

Shukria

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^ Typical, "why don't you shut up" approach to difference of opinion.