I think you are very disconnected from ground realities, you should get out more often… Here is a link to ground realities right from the horses mouth.
Excerpt below… a little dated but nothing has changed
LONDON – The Taliban now holds a permanent presence in 72% of Afghanistan, up from 54% a year ago, according to a report released today by the International Council on Security and Development (ICOS), an international policy think tank.
Taliban’s permanent presence in the country has increased by a startling 18%, according to ICOS research on the ground in Afghanistan.
The sooner one comprehends the fact that they Pashtun/Taliban are here to stay the sooner there will be some resolution in sight and this is exactly what US is doing now by talking to the same Taliban it once branded terrorist.
Pashtun babas are here to stay PEROID... They are not going anywhere,
Your mention of the word "Pashtun" here shows that your advocacy of Taliban is based on their ethnicity. The same reason that Imran supports them.
But you don't realize that Taliban have killed more Pashtuns than any other ethnicity. They are the biggest enemies of Pashtuns.
Fact is that extremism is an ideology. This ideology is prevalent among all ethnicities in Pakistan.
The sooner one comprehends the fact that they Pashtun/Taliban are here to stay the sooner there will be some resolution in sight and this is exactly what US is doing now by talking to the same Taliban it once branded terrorist.
There can be no resolution or negotiation with armed Taliban khawarij. There can only be capitulation.
People from no other country in the world advocate surrender to khawarij mufsideen, murderers of innocent people.
Only in Pakistan would some people STILL want to surrender to Taliban knowing fully well their designs of capturing the whole country, their hateful ideology, and their propensity to train terrorists from around the world in their backyard.
Only in Pakistan.
These terrorists have no remorse for killing thousands of innocents. They are only concerned with achieving their deadly objectives. They have a common goal of destabilizing the region with their acts of terror, and we shouldn’t be surprised that they have already found a replacement. At the same time, we need to remain vigilant against those who pose a threat to the safety of our nations. They’ve made it clear on several occasions that they see our nations as a common threat to their evil mission. In that case, there is no reason why we can’t work together to counter this threat. They are fully focused on destabilizing the region, and it only makes sense for us to combine our strength against these terrorists.
On the one side Taleban offer negotiations to the government and on the other keep on their killing spree. With Taleban continuing with their terrorist activities, how do you think a break through can be achieved?
Should the state forego their sovereignty to the taleban as a result of these negotiations?
There is no doubt that the Taliban continued with their policy to spill blood on streets while waiting for a favorable reply for their offer. The state should have asked them to stop the bloodbath if they were serious about their offer. But it did not happen. And now they have this excuse to withdraw the offer which was not in place anyway. Sharif and Imran are not in favour of using force, but they need to come up with a strategy which talks about peace, but does not show the state in a helpless position.
What sovereignty? The tribal areas are defacto Taliban country & thus drone strikes.
Well FATA has never been proper Pakistan in any case, no one has tried to bring them in the mainstream. But now the issue has spread from there into KPK as well.
Talibans are not one entity guys, not talking about afghan taliban, they are entirely different. Even these so called Tehrik-e-Taliba ABC..P..XYZ are not one group with one chain of command with one area of influence. The one who got supposedly killed in this drone, was the representative of taliban group who wanted to negotiate. Hakimullah wasn't for talks with govt, he lives, waliur-rehman was all for talks and got droned
*Imran urges Nawaz to shoot down drones if US does not stop attacks
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On a day when the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) withdrew their offer of talks after their high ranking official was killed in a drone attack, the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf chief reiterated his campaign slogan of shooting down the unmanned aircraft.
The PTI, in a statement from their Punjab chief, urged the Prime minister-elect Nawaz Sharif to realise that he had been given a mandate by the people against drone attacks. The PTI chief said that if the US cannot be convinced to stop drone attacks, then the state should shoot them down.
Despite taking up seats on the opposition benches, Imran said that his party would support the government in fulfilling their responsibility on the matter before adding that drone attacks will not be tolerated at any cost.
Sharif is going to find it immensely difficult to deal with this issue. He cannot shoot down drones and will eventually become a victim of the issue himself as the opposition will stir up more dust on the issue.
N$ boasts that he stood his ground on May 28 1998, rejected "suggestions" by Clinton to not detonate the bomb. Now is the time to repeat that "courage". Shoot the bloody drone out of the sky Nawaz!
So basically its okay for NATO to hold talks with Taliban in Afghanistan but they would do every possible thing to hinder peace process in Pakistan.
You thought Brits messed up the Kashmir issue, just wait and witness the filth the Yanks leave behind on our Northern borders. There is no easy escape for Pakistan unless they decide to grow a spine.
if Army/ foot soldiers need to be sent in to truly destroy them, then what 100k strong american army achieved in afghanistan? other than ending up holding few huge fort like military basis here and there after 11 years? and that with all sort of military might america had! after the US fate in afghanistan, this argument of fighting the afghan gorillas on ground has lost all its weight.
Thats 100k army excuse is the biggest load of BS I have ever heard. The 100 K army cant kill every rat hiding under every rock, and they certainly cant kill those rats when they hide under rocks in Pakistan. which is where all these terrorists, including the Afghan terrorists are based. The 100 K Americans arent given permission to enter Pakistani territory, hence the 100 K number is useless when they cant even engage the enemy... The exception is the Osama Bin Laden raid, which involved only a small number of Navy SEALS, and was just that an exception not a rule.
The blame for the Talibans success is not on the Americans, its on the Pakistanis for not clearing their own territory of these animals. The drones are the only thing doing the job the Pakistani army wont do. And to say that Pakistan cant fight these people on the ground is also bs, and cowardly. The excuse that the Pak army cant face these scum was put to rest when they defeated them in Swat and took S Waziristan.
Pakistanis should wake the f up and realize that its their responsibility to fight the menace on their own territory.
So basically its okay for NATO to hold talks with Taliban in Afghanistan but they would do every possible thing to hinder peace process in Pakistan.
You thought Brits messed up the Kashmir issue, just wait and witness the filth the Yanks leave behind on our Northern borders. There is no easy escape for Pakistan unless they decide to grow a spine.
Another BS excuse for cowardice!
Its ok to hold talks with those who are willing to accept the existing setup, meaning accept the Afghan govt and constitution, end all hostilities and lay down arms.
And these talks are only with a particular group which is willing to accept these terms.
What you dont have a right to do is conduct talks with a group that does not accept the govts writ, refuses toever accept, does not accept the constitution, refuses to lay down arms, refuses to join the mainstream or refrain from creating parallel system of rule... A group which while accepting peace talks, also accepts responsibility for attacking security forces the same day. Talking to the TTP is basically accepting defeat. Its is peace at gunpoint with the gun in the hands of the TTP. You dont make deals with such people. Negotiations can only be held from a position of strength, not from under the boot of the person your negotiating with.
N$ boasts that he stood his ground on May 28 1998, rejected "suggestions" by Clinton to not detonate the bomb. Now is the time to repeat that "courage". Shoot the bloody drone out of the sky Nawaz!
I doubt you will
ThatS stupidity of the highest order. When your country can barely keep the electricity running efficiently enough to power a hair dryer, you think we should shoot down drones and start a fight with the US? Especially when the drone is trageting people who are by admission, guilty of murdering countless Pakistanis... You want to start a fight with US when they are killing the very people targeting your country?!?!? Height of ignorance..
Talibans are not one entity guys, not talking about afghan taliban, they are entirely different. Even these so called Tehrik-e-Taliba ABC..P..XYZ are not one group with one chain of command with one area of influence. The one who got supposedly killed in this drone, was the representative of taliban group who wanted to negotiate. Hakimullah wasn't for talks with govt, he lives, waliur-rehman was all for talks and got droned
We dont want to talk with anyone who represent the TTP especially the one under Hakimullah Mehsud. You dont negotiate with murderers... If every murderer had a right to a negotiated reprieve, Pakistans jails would be empty by tomorrow.
Sharif should come up with a principle stand that Pakistan strongly condemns and opposes drone attacks. Call the US ambassador to lodge official protest and tell the Taliban that if they want to avenge the latest blow they received, they should send someone to the US. Sharif should also tell the Taliban that the state sincerely wants to settle issues with them, but if they resort to violence, the state will respond with full force.
The day they accepted peace talks, they also admitted to killing something like 12 police men in Peshawar... Yes, they certainly sound like their willing to not "resort to violence."
Do you understand that these people are dictating their own terms to the govt not the other way around? Its the TTPs peace, and its their terms...