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the government and military is supporting the drone strategy, while bad mouthing it in public and patting the americans on the back in one-one meetings, how successful have these strikes been? and are all the people being killed as portrayed by our media are militants, are there no collateral deaths in these strikes? are all people of tribal areas animals to be treated like this, and what generation we are propping up which is growing up amidst these strikes? isnt this gross violation of pakistan’s sovereignty and where’s the dignity of our rulers, and military?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101129/wl_asia_afp/pakistanunrestusmissilejustice_20101129140026

Pakistani tribesman to sue CIA over drone deaths

– Mon Nov 29, 9:00 am ET
ISLAMABAD (AFP) – A Pakistani tribesman is to sue the CIA for 500 million dollars after his son and brother were killed in America’s covert drone war against Al-Qaeda, his lawyer said Monday.
Karim Khan from North Waziristan, the district on the Afghan border where the US campaign has stepped up in recent months, claimed his house had been hit by US missiles on December 31, 2009.
“That drone attack killed my son, my brother and a local man. We are not terrorists, we are common citizens,” he told a news conference where he and his lawyer Mirza Shehzad Akbar announced his plan to sue. Pakistani intelligence officials said at the time that four militants were killed in the US missile strike in the Mir Ali area.

“According to Islamic law the punishment for blood is blood. If I have the means, I will take revenge for this attack,” said Khan.
“We need justice. We are innocent people.”
Akbar said he will file a lawsuit in Pakistan and, if necessary, the International Court of Justice based in The Hague.
“This is not a political case, this is a private complaint,” Akbar said.
“We will file a lawsuit against the American government and CIA officials for 500 million dollars compensation.”
The identities of those killed in drone strikes are often impossible to confirm independently.
Pakistan’s semi-autonomous tribal belt has been described as an intelligence black hole, largely cut off to journalists and foreign aid workers.

The government publicly condemns the US strikes as a violation of sovereignty, but has privately welcomed the US killings of top militants such as Pakistani Taliban founder Baitullah Mehsud.
More than 250 people have been killed in 48 US strikes since September 3, heightening tensions with Islamabad over reported US criticism of Pakistan’s failure so far to launch a ground offensive in North Waziristan.
The United States does not as a rule confirm drone attacks, but its military and the Central Intelligence Agency operating in Afghanistan are the only forces that deploy the unmanned aircraft in the region.

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good news for pakistani nation, drones have killed "22 militants" today

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Say thanks to Mush family
But see a change
CIA chief in Pakistan called back today
They were afraid of court cases
Weak democracy is much better .

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CIA station chief pulled from Islamabad

Updated at: 1916 PST, Friday, December 17, 2010
WASHINGTON: The CIA has pulled its top spy out of Pakistan after threats were made against his life, current and former US officials said, an unusual move for the US and a complication on the front lines of the fight against al-Qaida.

The CIA station chief was in transit Thursday after a Pakistani lawsuit earlier this month accused him by name of killing civilians in missile strikes.

**CIA airstrikes from unmanned aircraft have killed many innocent people. The US does not acknowledge the missile strikes, but there have been more than 100 such attacks this year - more than double the amount in 2009.
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The lawsuit blew the American spy’s cover, leading to threats against him and forcing the US to call him home, the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.

CIA officials’ “serious concerns” for the station chief’s safety led to the decision to bring him home, a US official said. A spokeswoman for the spy agency, Jennifer Youngblood, declined to comment.

The Pakistani lawsuit also named CIA Director Leon Panetta and Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

The CIA’s work is unusually difficult in Pakistan, one of the nation’s most important and at times frustrating counterterrorism allies.

The station chief in Islamabad operates as a secret general in the US war against terrorism. He runs the Predator drone program targeting terrorists, handles some of the CIA’s most urgent and sensitive tips.

It’s rare for a CIA station chief to see his cover blown. In 1999, an Israeli newspaper revealed the identity of the station chief in Tel Aviv. In 2001, an Argentine newspaper printed a picture of the Buenos Aires station chief and details about him. In both instances, the station chiefs were recalled to the US.

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please see the stats of drone attacks carried out during musharraf's regime and the during the past three years of democracy...during the current year there is a dramatic increase in the drone attacks...

here's a list of the drone attacks from wikipedia...the figures speak for themselves...

US Drone Strike Statistics[1]
Year Number of Drone Strikes Total Killed (Min) Total Killed (Max)
2004 1 4 5
2005 2 6 7
2006 2 23 23
2007 4 53 74
2008 34 263 296
2009 53 413 709
2010 110 539 882
Total 206 1,301 1,996

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The PPP (and PML) found that extrajudicial executions were an effective way of breaking militant movements when the MQM was smashed in the 1990s. It's not suprising that they are using the same method on Taliban militants in the north.

The different is that in the 1990s they sent the police to kill without trial. Today they send American drones. The method is the same, hopefully the result will be the same.

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interesting article by talat hussain on the topic…

http://www.dawn.com/2010/12/15/change-of-heart-on-us-drone-strikes.html

Change of heart on US drone strikes?
From the Newspaper
December 15, 2010 (2 days ago)
Tagged:
By Syed Talat Hussain
ISLAMABAD: “Report 25” in the Islamabad secretariat police stations record is set to become a symbolic document in Pakistans counter-terrorism relations with the United States. Based on an application by Kareem Khan of Muchikhel, Mirali, North Waziristan, the report can possibly pave the way for the registration of a case against Jonathan Banks, an alleged CIA functionary operating from the US embassy in Islamabad, on charges of providing operational guidance for drone attacks in Fata region, including one that killed the complainant`s son and brother.

Kareem Khan`s application caps two weeks of activity by a group of protesters from the Fata region who have camped outside the parliament, and not far from the Islamabad Press Club, pleading for an end to drone attacks.

All of them have seen the horror of drone strikes. Some like Sadullah, a grade-7 student, also from Mirali, have been crippled for life, while others, the majority in the group, have been traumatised by the death of their relatives.

It is the first time since the drone attacks started in 2004 that some victims have taken an initiative for a legal action against the US authorities. This strengthens a hitherto disjointed outcry against drones, elevating it to an expression of the nation`s sentiment. Dawn

“I want the court to provide me relief. I want these criminals to be brought to justice. They sit in Islamabad and kill Pakistan`s citizens. Let us see what the government does for us now,” said Kareem Khan while talking to .

This expectation of support from the government is already half-met. The group of protesters has been getting substantial political support. Almost every political party has sent a representative to the camp to assure the protesters of its support. Even the Awami National Party, whose leaders have been the most vocal in supporting the drone attacks, has publicly endorsed their stance. Afrasiab Khattak, chief of the party`s Khyber Pakhtunkhwa unit, surprised his own colleagues by spending time with the campaigners from Fata.

**But a question has been baffling observers: who tipped off the petitioners about the identity of the putative CIA operative and his presence in Islamabad?
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Even the most well-informed sources in the capital would not have access to such privileged piece of information. For this to have become a part of Kareems application indicates that the mood in Islamabads corridors of power is changing with regard to drone attacks and their usefulness. TIT FOR TAT?:

Islamabads diplomatic circles are abuzz with speculation as to what could have caused this change of mood. One reason cited is the 26-page lawsuit filed with a New York Court on Nov 19 against the ISI and LeT by the relatives of those who were gunned down by militants at Mumbais Chabad House on Nov 26, 2008.

The court has issued summons to, among others, the present and former heads of the ISI, Lt Generals Shuja Pasha and Nadeem Taj.

“It could be tit for tat, in a bizarre battle of one-upmanship between the agencies,” mused a western diplomat at a recent reception.

It is hard to verify this explanation in the absence of any official word. The Foreign Office, as well as military spokespersons, have declined to comment on the subject. And the ISI does not have an official spokesperson.

A much more convincing explanation could be that the frequency of drone attacks has at last exasperated the decision makers into feeling enough is enough.

If indeed the Fata protesters are being facilitated by Islamabad`s ruling establishment, then it seems to have a lot to do with a new set of anxieties that have overtaken both GHQ and Islamabad.

Statements from top US intelligence officials warning about the possibility of expanding the territorial scope of the strikes has rung alarm bells.

Sources close to the security establishment say that suggestions by US think tanks of attacks in Quetta against the so-called Quetta Shura and on madressahs in Akora Khattak, Karak, are being taken seriously.

While US officials have always reassured Pakistan that such suggestions are “wild talk”, the sources say, no one is under any illusion that this cannot happen.

Cultivating public opinion against drone attacks is therefore important to make the CIA think twice before expanding drone attacks to urban centres.

Hence “Report 25” is a clear message from Pakistan that the nation has now begun to draw a red line vis-Ã -vis the drones.

But it is hard to imagine that this would make US policymakers review their policy. This is in part because of the private sanction that Islamabad has given to these strikes since 2004.

LAUGHABLE: **Karim Khan`s complaint has come after as many as 207 reported drone strikes and considerable civilian casualties. The Long War Journal has given a conservative estimate of the innocents killed in these strikes, putting the figure at over one hundred.

The locals laugh off these estimates. “This is laughable. Hundreds have been killed in my area alone. This is just to prove US policy right. These estimates have no value,” said Kareem.**

**Regardless of the debate on casualties, it is an open secret that Pakistans highest authorities have been in on drone strikes. The most persuasive evidence came when a WikiLeaks cable quoted Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani as saying: “I dont care if they do it as long as they get the right people. We`ll protest in the National Assembly and then ignore it.”

Making the US change this policy of cooperation will be easier said than done. In fact, the US has already ramped up the drone effort inside Pakistan, and that is why of the total drone strikes on Pakistan, a whopping 197 have taken place since 2008.

It will be interesting to see whether Report 25 will reverse the trend.**

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at least drones were not sent over to mqm...sadly we dont consider pashtuns to be pakistanis, thats why we are using air force indiscriminately there, the Indians have faced really tough times in kashmir but they never used air force there...the generation propping up in the fear of drones, what do we expect from them in return bouquets and sweets?

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Drone attacks. MQM is equally responsible for them as ally of Mush.

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CIA station chief pulled from Islamabad

Updated at: 1916 PST, Friday, December 17, 2010
WASHINGTON: The CIA has pulled its top spy out of Pakistan after threats were made against his life, current and former US officials said, an unusual move for the US and a complication on the front lines of the fight against al-Qaida.

The CIA station chief was in transit Thursday after a Pakistani lawsuit earlier this month accused him by name of killing civilians in missile strikes.

CIA airstrikes from unmanned aircraft have killed many innocent people. The US does not acknowledge the missile strikes, but there have been more than 100 such attacks this year - more than double the amount in 2009.

The lawsuit blew the American spy’s cover, leading to threats against him and forcing the US to call him home, the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.

CIA officials’ “serious concerns” for the station chief’s safety led to the decision to bring him home, a US official said. A spokeswoman for the spy agency, Jennifer Youngblood, declined to comment.

The Pakistani lawsuit also named CIA Director Leon Panetta and Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

The CIA’s work is unusually difficult in Pakistan, one of the nation’s most important and at times frustrating counterterrorism allies.

The station chief in Islamabad operates as a secret general in the US war against terrorism. He runs the Predator drone program targeting terrorists, handles some of the CIA’s most urgent and sensitive tips.

It’s rare for a CIA station chief to see his cover blown. In 1999, an Israeli newspaper revealed the identity of the station chief in Tel Aviv. In 2001, an Argentine newspaper printed a picture of the Buenos Aires station chief and details about him. In both instances, the station chiefs were recalled to the US.

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Operation Clean Up in Karachi was very indiscriminate too. Thousands died at the hands of the authorities, including innocents, but Karachi emerged better from it. The generation that grew up in that time hasn't ended up turning on Pakistan or anything like that, so why should the generation growing up with drone strikes do the same?

The lessons learnt from Karachi's successful pacification are being reapplied.

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So PPP is not!!! Please try to add some sense in your replies....

Back to topic,

Drone attacks will end the moment Pakistani govt wants it to end... it is not about Pashtun or Punjabi or Urdu-Speaking it is about the priorities of Govt... even ANP, the self declared representator of Pashtuns does not give a damn about the attacks and have not seen protesting it in power corridors sams is the case of other so called Pashtun representator Fazulurehman aka Molana Diesel...

It is matter of character and dignity.. a weak and war-torn country like Somalia, home to Pirates of 21st century, protests against such attack then how USA dare to attack Pakistan!!! it is because earlier it was the BRAVE-RAT called MUSHY who allowed it and now it ZARDARI the MOST CORRUPT of all time didn't want to tell US to end it because it is not something which he thinks can earn him any money...

At the same token, when our pashtum brothers are being killed by these drones, the same source is funding, training providing logistics and ammunition to the anti-Pakistan movements to kill common Pakistanies.. so it is basically war of commoners like us against the ruling elite... where ruling elite have powers like USA to back them and we have only Our Allah to be dependent on and the circumstances says that we the commoners will win this war... although there are few black sheeps between us, but we will win.. if not tomorrow then maybe day after tomorrow...

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Fully supported drone attacks from the day one, and will continue to do so. People of Pakistan memories are very short, if they don't remember: baitullah massod & abu jihad al-masri (aka khanzeer's) both killed in drone attacks. They are effective, not 100% but well 80%.

As far civilian casualties concerned, if a person is killed being close to baitullah massod, well it's his/her mistake not the drone.

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With due respect, I CANNOT support drone attacks. Thousands of innocent civilians including women and children have been blown to pieces. How can Pakistan army allow this. All this just for money and weapons,

What the point in having this new J whatever fighter plane, if you cant even defend your own people by these air attacks? Where will these poor people go?
If Kiyani cant defend his own women and children; Kiyani should shove the american dollars and his new fighter plane up his posterior.

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^ Thousands of innocent lives? .. hmm i think you are confusing.. Indian-Held Kashmir with FATA region drone attacks. Better look into your Army Practices what they are doing with half of the Indian states.

Here is an enlightening video, what a no.

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Out of all of this the one thing that really confuses me is how did the Public and Pakistani media get the name of the CIA Chief?

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Because LEA's (specially: Army & Intelligence Services are holy cows) - you can't touch them, not even the mighty CJ.

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Well I guess that is what playing hardball in Pakistan is all about. I do wonder what the review documents say in detail. This is actually pretty bad for the Obama Administration vis a vis their AfPak Policy.

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Though there is lots of sense in your posts. First, how the hack continuing of drone attacks make Zardari to make money? Second, drone attacks started in Mush's time and continued by Kyani. Do you think if drone attacks oppose by Kyani, will America still use them? Third, commoner like you fighting with ruling elite? On gupshup forum? Can you elaborate this wisdom of yours? Unless Pakistan Military will not change its policty to continue taking directions from the real masters, these attacks will continue one way or the other till masters leave Afghanistan.

I agree otherwise that these drones and air attacks should never have used against Pakistani population. I am sure lots of innocent people have died and are dying. War against terror by Kyani has failed to achieve any tangeable resuts, as Taliban strike anywhere, anytime, killing a number of innocent people all over Pakistan.

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The soil of Pakistan must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.