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CIA chief pulled from Pakistan; drones kill 54
Published December 17, 2010
| Associated Press

ISLAMABAD – The CIA yanked its top spy out of Pakistan after his cover was blown and his life threatened, and 54 suspected militants were killed in a U.S. drone missile attack Friday in stark new signs of the troubled relationship between mistrustful allies locked in a war on terror groups.
The CIA’s decision to remove its Islamabad station chief comes at a pivotal moment. The Obama administration is pressing Pakistan to rid its lawless northwest frontier of militants, even as public outcry in the country has intensified against the U.S. spy agency’s unacknowledged drone war.
The station chief’s outing has spurred questions whether Pakistan’s spy service might have leaked the information. The name emerged publicly from a Pakistani man who has threatened to sue the CIA over the deaths of his son and brother in a 2009 drone missile strike. A lawsuit filed last month in New York City in connection with the 2008 terror attacks in Mumbai, India, also may have raised tensions, by naming Pakistan’s intelligence chief as a defendant.

A Pakistani intelligence officer said the country’s intelligence service knew the identity of the station chief, but had “no clue” how the name was leaked. The officer spoke on condition of anonymity because his agency, like many around the world, does not allow its operatives to be named in the media.
CIA airstrikes in Pakistan from unmanned aircraft have eliminated terrorist leaders but also have led to accusations that the strikes kill innocent civilians. The U.S. does not acknowledge the missile attacks, but there have been more than 110 this year — more than double last year’s total.

The 54 suspected militants killed Friday died in three American drone attacks close to the Afghan border. The high death toll included commanders of a Taliban-affiliated group who were holding a meeting when the missiles struck.

Drone strikes were at issue last November when a Pakistani man, Kareem Khan, and his lawyers, held a news conference, saying they would seek a $500 million payment in two weeks for the deaths of Khan’s son and brother, or they would sue CIA director Leon Panetta, U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates and the man they identified as the CIA’s station chief in Islamabad. The Pakistanis said they would sue for “wrongful death” in a Pakistani court, but the lawsuit has yet to be filed.

Last week, Khan filed a complaint with the police, asking them to investigate the CIA station chief in the deaths of his brother and son. Demonstrators in Islamabad have carried placards bearing the CIA officer’s name as listed in the lawsuit, urging him to leave the country.

Although the lawsuit gave an American name for the station chief, the name was not listed correctly in those documents, The Associated Press has learned. The AP is not publishing the station chief’s name because he remains undercover and his identity is classified.

The CIA didn’t immediately move to pull the station chief out after the lawsuit was threatened. It wasn’t until the man, who had previously served in Baghdad, began receiving death threats that the agency acted. The station chief had been due to return in January to the U.S.
“Our station chiefs routinely encounter major risks as they work to keep America safe, and they’ve been targeted by terrorists in the past,” CIA spokesman George Little said Friday. “They are courageous in the face of danger, and their security is obviously a top priority for the CIA, especially when there’s an imminent threat.”

A U.S. intelligence official said Friday that the recall of the station chief would not hinder agency operations in Pakistan.

The CIA’s work is unusually difficult in Pakistan, one of the United States’ most important and at times frustrating counterterrorism allies.

The station chief in Islamabad operates as a virtual military commander in the U.S. war against al-Qaida and other militant groups hidden along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. The chief runs the Predator drone program targeting terrorists and handles some of the CIA’s most urgent and sensitive tips.
The station chief also collaborates closely with Pakistan’s Inter-Service Intelligence, or ISI, in a relationship that has been as contentious as it has been useful in recent years. The alliance has led to strikes on key militant leaders but has also been marred by spats between the two agencies. During the first term of President George W. Bush’s administration, Pakistan almost expelled a previous CIA station chief in a dispute about intelligence sharing.

Almost a year ago, seven CIA officers and contractors were killed when a suicide bomber attacked a CIA base in Khost, Afghanistan. Six other agency officers were wounded in the attack, one of the deadliest in CIA history.

Just Wednesday, four agency employees escaped unharmed in an attempted bombing in Yemen’s capital.

The civil lawsuit filed in Brooklyn federal court last month also has raised tensions. The suit accused Pakistan’s ISI spy service of nurturing terrorists involved in the 2008 Mumbai attacks. The suit listed Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, head of the ISI, as a defendant.

In the case in Pakistan, lawyer Shahzad Akbar said he got the station chief’s identity from local journalists. He said he included the name in the lawsuit because he wanted to sue a CIA operative living within the jurisdiction of the Islamabad court.

“He was facing legal charges, it would have been embarrassing for the U.S.,” Akbar said. “They were worried about being asked pertinent questions about CIA operations in Pakistan.”
It’s rare for a CIA station chief to be pulled out because of a blown cover.
In 1999, however, an Israeli newspaper revealed the identity of the station chief in Tel Aviv. In 2001, an Argentine newspaper printed a picture of the Buenos Aires station chief and details about him. In both instances, the station chiefs were recalled to the U.S.

The AP learned about the station chief’s removal on Thursday but held the story until he was out of the region.

The drone attacks Friday took place in the Khyber tribal region, which has been rarely struck by American missiles over the past three years. That could indicate an expansion of the CIA-led covert campaign of drone strikes inside Pakistan.

Most of the more than 100 missile attacks this year inside Pakistan have taken place in North Waziristan, which is effectively under the control of a mix of Taliban, al-Qaida and related groups. The region, seen as the major militant sanctuary in Pakistan, has yet to see an offensive by the Pakistani military.
On Thursday, President Barack Obama urged Pakistan to do more in tackling extremists in the border lands. Pakistan’s army has moved into several tribal regions over the past two years but says it lacks the troops to launch a North Waziristan operation anytime soon while still holding gains it has made elsewhere.

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Whats the point of spending 90% of your budget on the army if it can't protect its own people or its own borders.

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^ yes this is the point, if they have to call americans to pacify their own insurgency then we dont need the army, pakistan can just sign a security pact with americans like many countries in the world have done and disband the army as that will spare us our budget which the military is wasting...

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Pakistani Army is not designed for counter-insurgency warfare. It is designed to fight conventional warfare against Indian Army. and now with India's rapidly growing power, it can't even do that any more.

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^ Says someone who has probably never done any real fighting in his life... Wars are not all about strategy and tactics but often come down to a simple and bloody mess in which the luckiest wins.

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The point is, Pak army should be defending its own people that are killed, which are probably at 90% of the people killed.

No drone attacks should be allowed in Pak, but then the question becomes how do corrupt jackholes like Zardari, Gilani, Mushy stay in power?

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This type of girlish behavior only can come from sellout muslims that are in power in Pakistan and are controlling the army.

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true...

I think for the first time i find myself agreeing with you!

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What the boss is saying.
Al-Qaeda aims to bring down Pakistan’

Updated at: 2117 PST, Sunday, December 19, 2010

WASHINGTON: Al-Qaeda is trying to “bring down” nuclear-armed Pakistan, US Vice President Joe Biden warned Sunday, days after a war review tip-toed around Islamabad’s role in fighting extremists.

“Our overarching goal and our rationale for being there is to dismantle, ultimately defeat Al-Qaeda… to make sure that terrorists do not, in fact, bring down the Pakistani government, which is a nuclear power,” Biden said.

The vice-pre … Full Story

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The infamous Taliban commander Ibn-e-Amin is reported killed in the latest drone attack in Khyber agency. Are JI people going to claim him an innocent villager?

Extremist commander Amin killed in drone attack

Updated at: 1259 PST, Monday, December 20, 2010
SWAT: The most dangerous and vital extremist commander Ibn-e-Amin was killed in Tirah Valley of Khyber Agency, Geo News reported Monday.

Ibn-e-Amin, who is said to be the mastermind in making of explosives and butchering people, is reported to be involved in myriad incidents of slaughtering people.

It should be mentioned here that Amin was killed in drone attack two days back in Tirah Valley. The sources confirmed his death today.

A senior commander of the Mangal Bagh-led Lashkar-e-Islam told The News that Ibne Amin was killed along with six other militants who were his bodyguards when the missiles fired by the drone hit his vehicle.

Pleading anonymity, he said Ibne Amin was among the seven militants killed in the Lashkar-e-Islam-controlled territory in Tirah valley’s Spindrand area located some four kilometres southeast of the Afghan border.

Ibne Amin belonged to Kuz Shawar village in Matta Tehsil of Swat district. The government in May 2009 announced Rs15 million as head money for him. He was a close lieutenant of Maulana Fazlullah, the leader of the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), Swat chapter.

Ibne Amin, who was less than 40 years old, became a feared TTP commander when he started torturing and killing opponents of the Taliban in Swat. He rose in the militant ranks and at one time it was said that he was the most powerful man in the TTP Swat after Fazlullah. One of his brothers was earlier killed in fighting with security forces and reports of Ibne Amin’s death had also circulated in the past.

According to intelligence sources, Ibne Amin also had links with al-Qaeda. The Khyber Agency has witnessed three US drone attacks over the last four days in which about three dozen militants from Lashkar-e-Islam and TTP were killed along with some civilians.

The Lashkar-e-Islam commander who broke the news about Ibne Amin’s death said Ibne Amin had been engaged in reconciliation efforts for the last several days to bring together the factions of Lashkar-e-Islam. “Last week, I met Ibn Amin in Chora area of Jamrud Tehsil where he had come to talk to Tayyab Afridi, the leader of dissident group in Lashkar-e-Islam who had fallen out with his leader Mangal Bagh,” he recalled.

Tayyab Afridi was expelled by commander Khan, a confidant of Mangal Bagh, from Bazaar valley in Landikotal Tehsil on November 27. “After his fruitful talks with Tayyab Afridi, Ibne Amin left for Nangrosa area in Tirah valley to see Mangal Bagh but the latter avoided meeting him as he was not interested in reconciliation,” the Lashkar-e-Islam commander said.

He said Ibne Amin stayed behind and waited to see Mangal Bagh in Nangrosa, Sandana and Spindrand areas of Tirah populated by the Sepah tribe until he was killed in the drone attack along with his six guards on Thursday.

Sources in Tirah valley said al-Qaeda and TTP leaders had expedited efforts to resolve differences between various militant groups operating in the border region of Pakistan to coordinate their operations. “Ibne Amin’s role as a mediator was part of these efforts,” the sources said.

The sources said after the Taliban defeat in Swat as a result of the military operation last year, Ibn Amin had moved to Afghanistan to fight foreign forces and then moved to Tirah valley in Khyber Agency where he had established bases and training camps for Swati Taliban. The sources said he was in close contact with Maulana Fazlullah in the border region between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Meanwhile, two Lashkar-e-Islam (LI) commanders, Yar Azam and Mehmud, succumbed to injuries they had sustained in two consecutive US drone attacks on the headquarters of their organisation in Sandana area of Tirah Valley in Khyber Agency on Friday, local sources said on Sunday.

With the death of the two commanders, the toll reached 34. Among them were 32 militants associated with the LI, and two civilians including a prisoner, who was in the custody of the militants.

It is for the first time that the US drones targeted the LI, a local militant organisation that has confined its activities to Bara Tehsil of Khyber Agency unlike the TTP. The LI has been fighting Pakistani security forces since the launch of military operation against it in September 2009.

On Thursday, seven militants, including Commander Ibne Amin belonging to the TTP Swat chapter, were killed in the US drone attack on a vehicle in Spindrand village near Sandana in Tirah valley.

The drone struck the LI headquarters in Sandana, also known as Khushal Markaz, at around 10 am on Friday when the militants were gathering for a meeting. The militants were busy in a rescue operation to remove the bodies from the rubble when the unmanned CIA-operated Predators mounted the second attack. Besides the death of 32 people and injuries to a dozen others, a nearby jail built in caves was damaged in the two attacks. More than a dozen prisoners survived the attack. The injured were shifted to nearby clinics run by LI instead of Bara or Peshawar due to fear of arrest.

The LI lost eight commanders from Sepah tribe in the attacks. They included Yar Azam, Mehmud, Mir Jan alias Fuzi Shafi who was a retired sepoy of the Frontier Constabulary, Rasheed, Mazaar Khan, Hassan and Mashri Khan.

The first drone attack in Khyber Agency was reportedly carried out on a vehicle in Mangal Bagh Kandaw area of Tirah, leaving 13 militants of TTP Swat chapter dead on May 15, 2010. The sources said a US drone continued flying over the area on Sunday.

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Mate no one is saying that some taleban are not being killed, by the way many times over the past years the government has claimed that so and so taleban leader has been killed which has later proven to be wrong, some taleban have been killed...but what about the rest? who will let us know the total number of taleban killed versus the innocents, are the drone so smart that they can differentiate between ordinary people and taleban? secondly this is against the sovereignty of the country, it shows that pakistani government and army are incapable of defending themselves against outsiders, as well as insiders...the ordinary people being killed, and injured by these strikes are driving them into taleban's folds!

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Drones may not be able to differentiate but people looking through the cameras can and do. Drones are more accurate and precise than artillery shells or bombardments from gunships/ fighter planes that Pakistan army employs in these kind of places.

Sovereignty? There is no sovereignty left when another force has taken over and occupied the territory. Pakistan army itself cannot go in these areas. If it could, the demand would have been to send in the police to arrest the suspects. That is why there are no drone attacks in Sohrab Goth in Karachi. There, intelligence can lead to arrests by police and other law enforcement agencies (Todays Daily Times has report of two top AlQaeda commanders getting arrested from Sohrab Goth on American intelligence). Let Taliban establish their emirate in Sohrab Goth and see the results. For all the people cry sovereignty, please establish your sovereignty in Waziristan and FATA first before complaining.

Pakistan government is responsible for groups using its soil for their Jehad against its neighbors. The neighbors (Iran, India, US in control of Afghanistan) have a right to defend themselves against these people and take action if Pakistan army can't or wouldn't. Luckily it has only been drone attack so far and not ground forces from Afghanistan, Iran or India conducting hot pursuits and other operations in Pakistani territory.

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Drone attacks are not enough, Americans want more!!! I dont blame them, this is due to the failure and weakness of our government.

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U.S. Military Leaders Reportedly Pressing to Escalate Campaign in Pakistan’s Tribal Regions
Published December 20, 2010
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Dec. 18, 2010: **The covert U.S. campaign of drone attacks on terror suspects in Pakistan is one of the worst kept secrets in international diplomacy. Now U.S. military leaders reportedly are asking for an even greater presence in the country.

Military commanders in Afghanistan are pushing for an expanded Special Operations campaign, the New York Times reports.** It is the latest sign the West continues to struggle in combating terrorist strongholds in the Pakistani tribal regions, given that the country – at least officially – has forbid direct U.S. intervention out of fear of a local backlash.

**The proposed Special Operations expansion into Pakistan, described to the Times by American officials in Washington and Afghanistan, carries with it a sense of urgency due to the planned withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan starting next year. **But sending forces across the Pakistan border would be controversial and carry its own set of risks.

“We’ve never been as close as we are now to getting the go-ahead to go across,” one unnamed senior American officer told the Times.

Pakistan’s tribal regions are home to thousands of militants staging or supporting attacks at home and on U.S. and other allied troops in neighboring Afghanistan. Islamabad’s cooperation is seen as vital to the fight against terrorism and to stabilizing the situation in Afghanistan.

Pakistan’s military has launched several offensives in the country’s remote northwest where the insurgents are based, but Islamabad still comes under criticism in the West for not doing enough to stamp out the threat.

Much of the criticism is centered on the military’s reluctance to move into North Waziristan, which is effectively under the control of a mix of Taliban, Al Qaeda and affiliated groups. Critics also question whether the country has severed its links with militants who stage attacks in India, Pakistan’s neighbor and rival.

The U.S. does not acknowledge that it carries out missile attacks in the tribal regions, but there have been more than 110 this year – more than double last year’s total.

On Friday, 54 suspected militants were killed in three American drone attacks close to the Afghan border. The high death toll included commanders of a Taliban-affiliated group who were holding a meeting when the missiles struck.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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That is due to the weakness of Pak government, and thats why I believe they need to draw a line, as to how much they can bend backwards.