Drawing the parallels between Syed Ahmad Bareilvi and Talibans

Every student of Pakistan must have heard about Syed Ahmad Bareilvi in their text books, lets analyze him from pashtun prospective. Syed Ahmad was born near Lucknow in the small town of Rai Bareli in1786. He believed that the freedom of Muslims could only come as a result of armed struggle against the foreign and non-Muslims forces. Moreover impressed from the ideas of Abdul Wahab of Najd, he believed that there was a need to end the evils that had corrupted Islamic society of India. His ultimate goal was to end British occupation. At that time Pashtuns of north west were the only muslims who were free and independent. Syed Ahmed Shaheed had already served in the army of the Yousafzai state of Tonk in India under Amir Khan , also some of his followers were rohillas of rohailkhand (U.P, India) .Moreover his syed ancestors had once settled in Yousafzai country from where they migrated to India. So decided that he would launch his movement from pashtun areas preferably from yousafzai plains. He, thus, migrated to Pashtun areas along with a group of his Indian followers. To avoid confronting Sikhs, he adopted a long route and passed through Sindh, Balochistan and then Kabul and finally arrived at Nowshera.
Local Pashtuns welcomed him. He told them about his cause and mission and convinced them to rally behind him to free Punjabi muslims from Sikhs. After having satisfied himself that he had gained sufficient power to challenge Ranjit Singh, the ruler of Punjab. He sent a message to him to either accept Islam or pay jiziya or prepare for war. Ranjit singh refused the message and decided to crush the newly emerging organized power in the west of his state across the indus. He sent a powerful army under Hari Singh and Badi Singh to defeat Syed Ahmed Shaheed’s forces. At the battle at Akora Khattak fought in 1826, Syed Ahmed Shaheed and his Mujahideen were victorious and Sikhs suffered a huge defeat. The next year i.e. 1827, the Sikhs were again defeated at Hazro on the eastern band of River Indus.
Two successive victories against Sikhs consolidated his position in the region. Few laters he thought it is time to establish an islamic state in the present day khyber Pakhtunkhwa which would act as base to launch attacks on punjab against sikhs. he declared areas under his influence as an Islamic state and titled himself as “Amir-ul-Momineen”. He arranged for his name to be mentioned in Friday’s sermons. He implemented Islamic Sharia and appointed Qazis and Aamils from amongst his Indian followers. It was decided that they would first free the Pashtun society from cultural influences and customary practices. He tried to abolish Institution of Jirga and Pashtunwali. Sayyid Ahmad also attempted to collect the Islamic tithe(usher) of ten per cent of crop yields. This alarmed the local pashtuns, they were never not used to this kind of impositions and rule, through out history they had rejected foreign rule even if they were muslims. As syed ahmed and his followers were from india, they were perceived as foreigners who wanted to impose their ideas and rule on them, want to interfere in their ways of life and finish their independence. The yousafzais of mardan and durrani nobles of Peshawer formed an alliance against against syed ahmed and his band. But allaince was defeated and Peshawar was captured by islamic reformers.
What doomed syed ahmed is another event. Most of syed Ahmed indian followers were unmarried , they express their wish to marry local women, but locals refused it. Syed ahmed deemed it an unislamic behaviour and put pressure on families to marry their daughters with his indian followers. This angered the yousafzais, they felt that syed ahmed was forcing himself on them. They were already agitated by his reformations attempts and the fact that all of his aamils and qazis were from india, they deemed it as foreign dictatorial rule. Yousafzai jirga was recalled, decision was made that all of his indian followers spread across country would be assassinated in a single day to break his strong authority over the region. The plan was carried out successfully ,several hundreds of his indian followers were taken by surprise and got butchered in a single day. Syed ahmad himself survived and fled to hazara with remnants of his followers. Disappointed with pashtuns, he decided to capture kashmir. But in 1831 surrounded by a large Sikh army and killed at Balakot.

Syed ahmed had same goals like talibans of present day, but he failed. Pashtuns were ready to fight for them against sikhs but were not ready to accept him as their amir ul momineen, his sharia and reformations…This in-fight proved disastrous for both Pashtuns and syed ahmed…It is interesting to see that pashtuns of modern times were receptive for taliban movement as unlike syed ahmed times they were radicalized enough…

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Interesting thanks for sharing. In the present scenario, in addition to the internal factors there are some international interference as well. Great games.

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Interesting...We did not learn much about Pashtun histry in school though we did study abt the Sikh empire. But this is what wiki says about the battle with the Sikhs. Do you have neutral source for your article please since this seems to contradict with your post? In December 1826 Sayyid Ahmad and his followers clashed with Sikh troops at Akora but with no decisive result. The inability of Sayyid Ahmad to shape local Pakhtun villagers into a disciplined and effective military force led to an 1827 decision consistent with his sense of proper relationship between religious and secular leadership....This moment of religiously inspired unity attracted the allegiance of maliks, shareholders and even the governors of Peshawar. But the illusion was soon shattered when,during the next clash with Sikh troops,at the south of Akora,the Peshawar rulers withdraw and Sayyid Ahmad and his followers had to retreat in the hills of north of Peshawar. In their fine details, the events of these years revealed a fragmented Yusufzai and Mandanr support for Sayyid Ahmad's movements.

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" Sayyid Ahmad also attempted to collect the Islamic tithe(usher) of *ten per cent *of crop yields."

So Sayyid Ahmad was the original Mr. 10%?

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just few questions to OP?

1) was Syed Ahmed the first Muslim in area of Peshawer, etc to propagate laws like Ushr?

2) Didn't Pashtuns marry outside their community before Syed Ahmed?

3) Were these the only reasons that made local population against Syed Ahmed? If local population was that much against Syed Ahmed, how did he get reverence of locals after his death and got the title of Shaheed? What happened to the psyche of locals to accept same rules? Was that British rule that made them so Islamic even before Aghan Jihad?

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Wikipedia is not reliable. Here are the sources that i referred to write the article. yousafzai qoum ki surgazistby roshan khan, Historyofthepathans volume 1 by brigd.(retd) haroon rasheed..frontierof faith in the indo-afghan border, tareekh-e-peshawer by mohammedyaqoob...Pakistan And The Emergence Of Islamic Militancy In Afghanistan

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1- I think syed ahmed was the first person to try enforcing sharia on pashtuns. At that time there was no deobandism and pakhtuns were not deobandi but were following light version of islam with sufi traditions. I have checked few books of british officers of 19th century era and from their accounts one can find out that there was not even such thing as burqa, pakhtun women didnt wear burqa at all !. Pashtuns were not resceptive to strict wahabi laws. Moreover by nature they are allergic to foriegn rule and authority, when syed ahmed gave them different vibe, they acted against him.2- Interestingly there were also rohilla pashtuns of U.P among syed ahmed followers, Syed ahmad himself claimed to be yousafzai of syed background, yet they were deemed hindostanis. At that times great emphasize was put on shajra-e-nasb, hasb-o-nasab among pashtuns much like arabs..even today traditional pashtuns prefer to marry among themeselves.3- We dont know who titled him shaheed, we study it in mutala-e-pakistan. Todays pakhtuns thinking is much different from his ancestors of 19th century.Its deobandi school of thought which has greatly islamized pashtuns. Specially after 1947 deobandi madrassas, tablighi jamaat, jumat e islami etc has greatly penetrated into pashtun society. When talibans movement started , they were already radicalized enough to accept it.

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Wikipedia is pretty reliable. I do not have access to those writers. I would love to read some neutral sources like Britannica encyclopedia or other neutral sources .

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Its evident that (in the past) the pashtuns followed sufi traditions like the rest of the muslims (of the subcontinent). The tombs of sufi saints like Khushal Khan Khattak give us a glimpse of the history. When did the majority became deobandi? I get your point that the people were already receptive, therefore when the taleban took over and enforced stringent laws, the majority of pashtuns took it lying down.

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What an irony that he was named bareilvi when he was a deobandi! :D

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lols

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Quite interesting article thanks for sharing

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Taliban sacrificed their rule over Afghanistan to save Salfis, but Salfis didnt spare Deobandis even on single occasion...

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what is the history behind this statement? who are salafis?

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most of the Alqaeda members are salfis or salfi minded. Taliban gave them homes in Afghanistan but in pakistan you will see every salfi(Wahabi) talking against Deobandis.

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I thought Deobandi follow Wahabi ideology and they are same. How deobandis sacrificed for salafis (wahabis)?

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Salfis and Wahabis are similar sects or two different names for a single sect.
The biggest difference between Debandis and Wahabis is being Muqallad and Being Ghair-Muqallad respectively. Deboanidis are Muqallad of Imam Abu Hanifa(r.a) and so. Wahabis being Ghair-Muqalled call Debandi ignorant of Islam as they are against becoming a Muqallad.

If Taliban are Debandis, then they save so many lives of Salfis(members of Alqaeda) at the cost of their own lives.

As for as I can guess homesick is a salfi/wahabi guy and he is happy with equating taliban with Deobandis.

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I disagree with this. Deobandis follow Imam Hanifa. Wahabis follows Hanbali madhab. Salafis do not follow any single madhab.

The term Salafi is complex because no single official definition exists. The Muslim Brotherhood considered itself to be a Salafi organization, but Egypt's Salafi political parties reject that .

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as I said the biggest difference between wahabi and deobandi is being Muqallad and ghair-muqallad, you can evaluate it.
and Wahabis do follow the opinions of Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal, but they dont declare themselves Muqallad as they follow "others" opinions as well.
you are Wahabi?

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And, do you have some examples of religious practices that Wahais and Salfis do, where you can prove they differ the most on their respective belief?