Re: Drawing the parallels between Syed Ahmad Bareilvi and Talibans
as I said the biggest difference between wahabi and deobandi is being Muqallad and ghair-muqallad, you can evaluate it. and Wahabis do follow the opinions of Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal, but they dont declare themselves Muqallad as they follow "others" opinions as well. you are Wahabi?
who are ahl e hadess then? They are all ghair-muqallad I think.
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who are ahl e hadess then? They are all ghair-muqallad I think.
yes, they are wahabi..
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Was Syed Ahmed Barelvi from Rohelkhand, UP?
Because that will make him a proper Pashtun.
It is interesting that there are many people who went to present India from present areas of Pakistan. But when they returned in 1947, they considered themselves "muhajirs" or Urdu speaking. Besides Pashtuns of Rohelkhand, there are others in this category like Punjabi Saudagaran e Dehli.
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^ He was from UP, but I dont think he was a Pashtun.
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badi jaldi jawab dia hai…
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Was reading about shah waliullah and then syed Ahmed barelvi and what impact their teachings would have had on deoband, while doing that stumbled on this thread.
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Was reading about shah waliullah and then syed Ahmed barelvi and what impact their teachings would have had on deoband, while doing that stumbled on this thread.
people learnt 'Islam hamesha khatre main hai' :)
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people learnt 'Islam hamesha khatre main hai' :)
Shah waliullah called for afghan intervention as he thought that Islam is in danger due to weakening of the Moghuls and strengthening of Marathas. He was also against 'innovations' in Islam, Syed Ahmed barelvi was his student, and he actually waged a jehad against the Sikhs and British. There are parallels between him and today's Taliban.
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What doomed syed ahmed is another event. Most of syed Ahmed indian followers were unmarried , they express their wish to marry local women, but locals refused it. Syed ahmed deemed it an unislamic behaviour and put pressure on families to marry their daughters with his indian followers. This angered the yousafzais, they felt that syed ahmed was forcing himself on them. They were already agitated by his reformations attempts and the fact that all of his aamils and qazis were from india, they deemed it as foreign dictatorial rule.
. . . . Syed ahmed had same goals like talibans of present day, but he failed.
how are they similar? taliban are locals, and from what you yourself say, syed ahmed's problem was that he was an outsider.
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how are they similar? taliban are locals, and from what you yourself say, syed ahmed's problem was that he was an outsider.
Similar ideology. Even in the taleban there are many outsiders including Chechens, Uzbeks, Arabs and Uyghurs. In 79 when the issue began almost all militants were foreigners. Somehow in the past the locals didnt succumb to them unlike today.
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but it doesnt sound like the locals had a problem with ideology until it came to the outsiders marrying their women. clearly that is not a problem for the taliban pais. the darkie outsiders today are pretty much the pakistani army if anything is a parallel here.
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It is interesting to see that pashtuns of modern times were receptive for taliban movement as unlike syed ahmed times they were radicalized enough...
I don't think this is the reason Pashtuns accepted Taliban rule. Many Tajiks are/were as much radicalized as Pashtuns but they never accepted Talibanic rule and fought all-out wars against them.
Actually, the reason Pashtuns rejected Syed Ahmed and accepted Talibanic rule is that Syed Ahmed was NOT Pashtun.
There is another lesson. Islamic extremists, whether Syed Ahmed or Taliban or Qaeda; are their own worst enemies.
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You know what, I also realized it late after posting the above post. 
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^ He was from UP, but I dont think he was a Pashtun.
Though he did claim to be a pashtun which was not believed by locals. The fact is his syed family was once settled in yousfazai country from where they migrated to rohailkkhand along with yousafzais (rohillas) in early years of 18th century. After fall of rohilkahand in 1774, rohillas got dispersed and most of them became quite wandering people. He along with thousands of rohillas served in army of amir khan, a yousazai ruler of tonk (rajasthan). For such reasons he chose yousafzi country and Peshawar as launching site for his jihad......Most of his hindostani followers were actually rohillas, who had become culturally, linguistically and racially different from proper yousazis.
shah alilullah also belonged to muzaffarnagar , rohilkhand , which was an afghan settlement thats why he consulted rohillah chief najibudaula. He may have even rohilla roots.
Deobandism has lot of connection with Rohillas,i will post an article about it.
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Deobandism has lot of connection with Rohillas,i will post an article about it.
That would be interesting.