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Also I am very proud of my Indus heritage. I do not desire to be anything else. You will not find a man more committed to promoting a positive image of Pakistan then me. I spend hours fighting anti Pak propoganda online and in the flesh.
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Spiritual explanation for this planet....oldest religion was sanatana dharma..everything else came out later..Islam being the latest..bring me evidence to refute what I say!!
According to Muslim belief Islaam (lit. Peace in Submission to God) didn't start with the Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him), we are taught God revealed it to every people in every era through different Prophets (peace be upon them), the labels for those religions might have been different, Allaah might have been known as Jehovah, Yazdan/Ahura, Ishwar etc. but the essential message of Monotheism (devotion to God alone) and righteous deeds was the same, later the followers of those religions changed the original religions and invented polytheism, trinity, personification of God etc. Some of the past forms of Islam we know in detail (Judaism, Christianity, Sabeanism) others we don't know about as that is not important for our salvation because with the revelation of the present form of Islaam all past religions were abrogated.
You said that Hinduism is the oldest religion on earth, it certainly is not, maybe one of the oldest organised religions still practiced today if you relate it to the Vedic/Indra religion of the Indus Valley but then again that is not the same as the current Gangatised/Dravidianised Hinduism of India. Like its cousin-religion (Zoroastrianism) it itself is a descendent of the European pagan religions and developed in Pakistan before it got modified in Ganga Valley (India) to the current form.
No scholar says Hinduism is the oldest religion, this is Hindutva propoganda. Vedic-Dharma might be one of the oldest religions still practiced today as most of the other pagan religions (its prdecessors) have become extinct but present Hinduism is very vague and there's no one way of practicing it so it's not really the same as the Vedic religion, like I said even though Hinduism holds the Vedas as sacred today it's completely different from the Indra worshipping Vedic religion of the Indus Valley..
besides Abraham (peace be upon him) lived roughly around the same time as when the Vedas were being composed and he is the spiritual and physical fore-father of Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) and his cousins the Hebrew Prophets (peace be upon them).
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Dont cook new theories. Google and browse what was the god of harappans. it is shiva (also called pashupathi)which still now is. this is the proof with pictures
and who said vedas preach monotheism???..it also teaches pantheism and even agnosticism.
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The Mohenjo-Harrappan Civilisation of the Indus Valley was before the Vedic Civilisation of the Indus Valley.. Ideas/beliefs merged, Gang-Hinduism took elements from both the Harrappan and Vedic religions hence the similarities, during Greek rule over Gandhara Buddhist statues were carved resembling Zeus using techniques native to Greece but that doesn't mean Buddha is a Greek god.
I'm a bit skeptic of those Indian websites, they have their own version of history..
As for Monotheism, I didn't say Vedas preached or didn't preach monotheism but according to our belief every so often every nation was sent a Messenger by God so maybe the Reg-Veda was atleast partailly based on revelation (who knows?), there is evidence for monotheism though...
"He is One Supreme Entity Whom sages call by various names Such as Indra, the glorious Mitra, the benign friend Varuna, the greatest, the noblest Agni, the resplendent, the bright Yama, the dispenser of justice Matarishwa, the almighty". (Rig Veda)
Maybe the pre-Vedics made an idol representing each one of God's attributes (like our asma ul-husna: al-rahman, ar-rabb, ar-raheem, al-malik etc.) which eventually became known as seperate persons..
Similarly some forms of Zoroastrianism belive in one God known as Ahura-Mazda, Khuda, Yaazdaa*n*, Parvardigar etc. and others have distinct persons who they worship..
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Many many Bengali's look just like North Indians and Pakistanis. One of the most beautiful chicks I've ever seen was a Bengali girl. WCA qualified.
Sinhalese are not Dravidians. Sinhalese are Aryans who moved from India from Orissa and Bengal region. Sinhalese is a Indo-Aryan language with Sanskrit as the base , unlike Tamil which is Dravidian language.
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LOL, the Sinhalese are not Aryans however their language Sinhala is descended from the Aryan languages.
Nobody in South-Asia is Aryan, just partially descended from them (that too only the people of Pakistan and NW-India) because they mixed with the locals, "Aryan" was the ethnicity of some of our ancestors, South-Asians are also descended from other ancestors so their present ethnicity/race is quite different and distinct from their predecessors.
The Aryan-Language speaking Indian people who the Sinhalese claim descent from were themselves far from Aryan, besides those Indian people mixed with the indigneous Vidah and Dravidian populations on arrival to Sri Lanka..
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ramesh powar and vinod kambli are maharashtrians.. The other marathis in the team are sachin,agarkar,gvaskar,sandeep patil and vengsarkar..
The south indians in the ind team are rahul dravid, anil kumble,ravi shastri,vvs laxman,saddagopan ramesh, robin uttapa, sreesanth,dinesh karthik,murali karthik balaji srinath.. Of these balaji and srinath are black skinned .. but do they look like africans to you??
what consitutes a south indian for a pakistani? for some pakistanis anyone who isn't punjabi is a south indian and that includes bihar,maharashtra,goa, gujrat and even bengal.. In india south india is the four southern states kerala, tmail nadu,andhra pradesh and karnataka.. of these i have visited all. and tamil nadu has more of dark skinned people i guess mainly bcause of it's location..
What is a dravidian?aborgines austrliod african etc.. sorry south indian are'nt like that.. dark skinned people are found all over india in large substantial populations and not just south india. any indian/pakistani attributing dark skin to only a south indian is deluding herself/himself.
In india people on street mainly the poor are exremely dark skinned once you get to middle class,upper middle class and elite u get light skinned and other varying hues of brown.
Curly hair!! how many south indians have you met to make a statrement like that?
Short!! have u seen sri lankan team!! do they look short!!! they are tall and have a good body structure sometimes better than indian and pakistani.
Average indian/pakistani have brown(light to dark and very dark and then black) skin color.
Regarding fair and lovely fair skin obession is as deep in pakistan as in india. i know plently of pakistani women who bleach and sometime they are light skinned yet and they bleach to get a ghastly white color.. I once went to a wedding where the bride who was sawli color originally was painted in white make up.!!
Even in this forum there was a topic where a girl was asking for a cream stillmans something as she was going to pakistan and everybody there is about fair skin.
Don't always point fingers to india!!
Racism is a vicious man made cycle. North indians/pakistnais will look down on south indians while they themselves are looked down by arabs/persians and so on and so forth. sad!!
just an example i met a pakistani man on flight he was a pathan!! i thought he looked north indian. wasn't that fair skinned .. he told me he was pakistani and i asked him if he was punjabi .. he was offended. he told me that pak punjabis and indians look similar.. if u go to a afghan forum they talk about punjabis as the blackest people on earth!!! SAD!!!
Media always markets light skinned as a model of beauty.. But reality is differnt. I know plently of guys/gals married to darker partners.
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Isnt Rahul Dravid and Sachin Tendular Maharashtrian
Roots - Though often mistaken to be a Kannadiga, Rahul is actually a Maharashtrian Brahmin. The Dravid lineage can be traced back to the period of early British rule when Maharashtrians migrated to what are now Tamil Nadu and Karnataka
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did'nt i say sachin is marathi!!! rahul not sure until now.. he is considered kannadiga.
take salil ankola he is considered both marathi and kannada. ankola is name from a region in karnataka and so is kumble..
the border areas poeple share common culture.
my point being fair and dark skinned people are everywhere and in every community of india.. and for most pakistanis marathis are south indians even for indian punjabis.
We are going off topic.
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^ The Mohenjo-Harrappan Civilisation of the Indus Valley was before the Vedic Civilisation of the Indus Valley.. Ideas/beliefs merged, Gang-Hinduism took elements from both the Harrappan and Vedic religions hence the similarities, during Greek rule over Gandhara Buddhist statues were carved resembling Zeus using techniques native to Greece but that doesn't mean Buddha is a Greek god.
I'm a bit skeptic of those Indian websites, they have their own version of history..
In south india, river cauvery is also considered sacred. there is nothing like cauvery hinduism which took elements from gagetic one or indus ones. Adi shankara was a hindu saint from kerala. he was a famous proponent of advaitha vedanta. what hinduism he followed was not different from the one prevelent in north. He didn't borrow from the north. in fact he went to northern parts to preach his philosophy.
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did'nt i say sachin is marathi!!! rahul not sure until now.. he is considered kannadiga.
take salil ankola he is considered both marathi and kannada. ankola is name from a region in karnataka and so is kumble..
the border areas poeple share common culture.
my point being fair and dark skinned people are everywhere and in every community of india.. and for most pakistanis marathis are south indians even for indian punjabis.
We are going off topic.
Rahul Dravid is a Marathi orginally from Indore settled in Bangalore. Most people from North Karnataka region are fluent in Marathi and Kannada.
It is also difficult to say what is South India. Anything South of Vindhyas is South India. Culturally Maharashtra is considered South India
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what is with the notion that the elite are all fair skinned??
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In india people on street mainly the poor are exremely dark skinned once you get to middle class,upper middle class and elite u get light skinned and other varying hues of brown.
the majority in both pakistan and india are all dark skinned , even from the elite....
it just depends on their ethnicity.
if u look at the top 10 indian billionaires in the forbes list theyre all completely dark skinned (with the exception of the parsi ones)
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5 bucks that Mercy2k is a dark-skinned panchewer bhaiyya himself, trying very hard to convince himself he is different from indians.
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and the vast majority of us pakis are dark skinned or brownish also so whats the big issue anyway ....
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^^ exactly
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not quite.
in the pakistani skin-color heirarchy, karachi-dwelling hindustanis tend to mostly come up at the very last rung. being converts from "lower" caste hinduism in UP, bihar, rajasthan, they are pretty much dravidian. unlike sindhis or punjabis, who as an entire population embraced islam, the panlover bhaiyyas are almost entirely the darker skinned segment, the "lower" castes of their native populi from the indo-gangetic plains.
the aim of the threadstarter mercy2k is to push forth his constant struggle to distance himself from his race and prove his distinctness from south indians that he mostly get mistaken to be. my sympathies are with his dark behind. after all, it must be hard being a hindustani racially and a pakistani by passport.
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If I'm not mistaken DNA has proven that our Mama eve was black African and Papa Adam was white with red hair.
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No one has proven that.