Dr. Zakir Naik

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Thats like saying that Albert Einstien blabbed out equations after equations but never really understood E=MC^2. Come on now you really think that Zakir Naik doesn't understand the things he's saying?

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Einstein came up with the theory of relativity, so I would expect him to undesrtand what he is saying. However, Zakir Naik is like the high school student who can say that ok, E equals energy, M equals mass and C equals speed of light, oh and also, Copernicus said that the sun does not revolve around the earth. But he can't explain what is means by E, M and C and what Copernicus said. But, if I was to go to a PhD holder in Physics, and ask him exactly what exactly does the theory of relativity mean, and by that extension if I want to ask him about modern theory of atomic orbitals, I expect the PhD holder to not simply give me definitions, I expect him to explain as well.

Psyah covers it very well in his post how Zakir Naik preaches.

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And thats exactly what Dr. Naik does not only does he explain the Quranic verse reinforced by Hadith but he also relates how the teachings of the Quran and its arguments fit in everyday life. Your argument fails here that if you want to know what E M C are you'd go to an PHD holder. But since Dr. Naik knows what the Molvie/Muslim scholar knows why deny his teachings? What do you have that you think that you can use against Dr. Zakir Naik? His facts his logic his are equal to or even beyond any molvie or muslim scholar. I don't know what you're trying to prove here? If you mean that a muslim scholar/molvie would give you a different answer then my friend they'll only give you some exaggerated tale spun by theologians or sect leaders in order to Romanticize Islam or their particular sect or their love for the prophet PBUH.

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To Psyah’s argument: Dr. Zakir Naik may not be an expert in arabic language and its extreme details but he has knowledge of it and he knows that there are words which need further explanation in order to describe them. Therefore he is not deceiving anyone or misleading anyone with his translations. if he were to get in to full disclosure of arabic language and explain detail by detail what each and every single word means then surely the true or important meaning of the sura or a particular verse would be lost as people would not be able to comprehend it. Therefore taking time in to consideration and keeping in mind that he has to give a succint message of a particular sura to non muslims as well and not give a lecture on arabic language i think he does a brilliant job!

I would also like to clear another misconception of Psyah’s about Islam. Islam isn’t christianity therefore it doesn’t need Scholars in fancy robes to explain our religion to us. When the prophet was told to Reciet the Quran it was so that everyone may hear and everyone may learn from it. That Quran is open to everyone and that i doesn’t require a Sea of Priests or a hierarchy or churches to explain to the layman what Quran and its teachings are. Therefore anyone who can read has access to Quran and hadith may read it and understand its meaning.

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No idea why be so negative about him.

He gives a different dimension to dawah. Not so bad.

There is no such thing as 4 madhabs being the ultimate rulers of Islamic teachings and understandings.

Time to break the walls created by naive followers who follow ONE particular madhab/sect/fiqah ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY. :smack:

(Refer to my thread http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-and-scripture/424528-why-do-we-need-a-madhab.html )

The last post in that thread on May 20th 2010 7:21 PM included this as below:

“Hence, I still submit with being humble, that ANYONE should be open to other person’s idea and not be so egocentric to just stick to one when it comes to beliefs or religion!”

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your choice of school of thought to follow is exactly a pick and choose.......since following a school a thought was not ordered by God or his prophet...... you can not pick and choose with the authentic sources i.e Quranic text and authentic hadith.......

Well.....whats wrong if someone goes to authentic source of the religion itself..the Quran and Hadith.......and if he doesn't get it....then read other opinions...and whichever touches his heart...follows that???

I am all for proper educated and learned scholars' opinion.....but i am much more comfortable with someone who quotes quran and hadith rather than the books of their elders....sorry i can't put blind faith in 'forefathers' without seeing some basis for their opinion...

P.S..... i am not blindly supporting zakir naik either...i have some reservations about what things he says.....but atleast give the man credit for quoting from the quran and hadith directly.

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He has great knowledge about other religions and give the references from their Holy books too. He is a genius.

Biography

Zakir Abdul Karim Naik was born on 18 October 1965 in Mumbai, India.[4]](Zakir Naik - Wikipedia) He attended St. Peter’s High School in Mumbai. Later he enrolled at Kishinchand Chellaram College before studying medicine at Topiwala National Medical College and Nair Hospital and later the University of Mumbai, where he obtained a Bachelor of Medicine and Surgery (MBBS).[2]](Zakir Naik - Wikipedia) In 1991 he started working in the field of Dawah.
Naik says he was inspired by Ahmed Deedat,[5]](Zakir Naik - Wikipedia) an Islamic scholar. Naik says that his goal is to “concentrate on the educated Muslim youth who have become apologetic about their own religion and have started to feel the religion is outdated.”[6]](Zakir Naik - Wikipedia) He considers it a duty of every Muslim to remove perceived misconceptions about Islam and to counter what he views as the Western media’s anti-Islamic bias in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 attacks (also known as 9/11) in the United States.[7]](Zakir Naik - Wikipedia) Some of his articles are published in magazines such as Islamic Voice.[8]](Zakir Naik - Wikipedia)[9]](Zakir Naik - Wikipedia)[10]](Zakir Naik - Wikipedia)
Anthropologist Thomas Blom Hansen has written that Naik’s style of memorizing the Qur’an and hadith literature in various languages and related missionary activity has made him extremely popular in Muslim and non-Muslim circles.[6]](Zakir Naik - Wikipedia) Many of his debates are recorded and widely distributed in video and DVD media and online. His talks are usually recorded in English and broadcast on weekends on several cable networks in Mumbai’s Muslim neighborhoods, and on the Peace TV channel, which he co-produces.[11]](Zakir Naik - Wikipedia)[12]](Zakir Naik - Wikipedia) Topics he speaks on include: “Islam and Modern Science”, “Islam and Christianity”, and “Islam and secularism”.
Naik is the founder of the Islamic International School in Mumbai.[13]](Zakir Naik - Wikipedia)

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Mcpendo

if Quran and Hadith are so easy to understand then why the need for Zakir Naik? (reference to zakir naik's dozens of videos on fiqh issues on youtube)

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Never liked his way of preaching...such a turn off.
I honestly think if you are in the business of convincing people, you need chrisma and a like able personality.

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^I love the way Sh. Hamza Yusuf from US and Sh. Abdal Hakim Murad from UK (both converted to Islam) interact with non muslims as well as with muslims. You can see they’re actually scholarly. They don’t shout or anything and know how to talk to people, how to engage in a conversation.

this video is a meeting between muslims and chrstians in Woking Mosque. (I used to live in Woking)

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There’s nothing wrong in changing up the ‘conventional’ forms of Dawah to make it appealing to certain crowds. He must be doing something right to have been able to convert so many people merely by swaying their opinions using factual information instead of analytical.

This guy isn’t claiming to be a scholar either, he simply states facts which could be far less confusing than lectures from scholars who might be contradicting scholars from other schools of thought.

I still find his scope of knowledge to be pretty amazing in the sense that he quotes sources from other religions in addition to Islamic ones. It’s a different approach which seems to have gotten quite a lot of attention from people, so gotta give him credit for that.

This reminds me:

Now Shahrukh khan is someone who doesn’t qualify to be a spokesperson for Islam, not to mention the other Bollywood morons sitting there. Zakir Naik shouldn’t have even been there because obviously these people wouldn’t get it. They’d rather know what ShahRukh Khan thinks.
Ooo and the Einstein at the end takes the Oscar “So like I should like talk about being an Indian like and not a Muslim cuz that’s like so personal you know. Like I kiss haraam men and do haram stuff like dress half naked stuff but that’s all cool cuz im like Indian and my dad is muslim and I have a 1-on-1 with my God every night and He tells me it’s all good cuz you have a special place in my heart. So He and I are cool and it’s personal and I’m here to talk about Islam because I knew that when I was asked to come on this show but I’d rather not talk about it”

UGH!

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i think hes brilliant, love his lectures, wish i had that much knowledge & memory..he is able to answer any question with the support of hadith & Quranic verses...he has helped revert soo many people & makes you love islam.. i have no idea why people look for the bad in him, mashallah he's doing an amazing job, we as muslims should support him & admire the way he is able to use science & logic to explain all aspects of our religion

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Seriously, exactly what has Dr Naik said that has everyone's panties in a twist? What's with all the hate? How many of you can claim to have converted even one person to Islam? How many of us have even bothered with the Islamic duty of dawah? Everyone just wants to blow their own 'madhab's' trumpet.

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I respect Zakir Naik as much as I respect diwana.

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Peace rizla86, McPendo and NomiCA

I used to be on the same page as you before … I have through further investigation and study learnt otherwise … Here are my findings and please comment:

The prophet Muhammad (SAW) was sent to perfect character - the wisdom in this is that “good character” would be the leading light for future times. To argue is seen as bad manners is this correct or incorrect? Look to the hadith for this.

Abu Umamah Al-Bahili (ra) reported: The Messenger of Allah

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/images/smilies/pbuh.gif

said,

"I guarantee a house in Jannah for one who gives up arguing, even if he is in the right; and I guarantee a home in the middle of Jannah for one who abandons lying even for the sake of fun; and I guarantee a house in the highest part of Jannah for one who has good manners.‘’

[Hadith of Abu Dawud]

We cannot learn good manners from books alone … it is something we need to practice with the companionship of others.

Next point … the idea of clergy … it is wrong to say we do not have clergy … of course we do … what we don’t have is the same role by the clergy of Christians to our own clergy. In the Christian or more specfically Catholic model of clergy the priests are the mediators and barriers between the layman and God. This is not the case in Islam … in Islam Allah (SWT) is accessible in every moment and confession of sin and guilt is a matter between the slave and God. However, the Islamic clergy are representatives who enjoin good and forbid evil … they are the benchmarks for good character and they are source of authentic understandings. We can determine our duty to scholars from two points which compliment each other:

**Allah (SWT) loves the Muhsineen 2:195, 3:134, 3:148, 5:13, 5:93 we can see this in those references. **

and

Abu Hurairah (RA) narrated that the Prophet(SAW) said, “If Allah loves a person, He calls Gabriel saying, 'Allah loves so and-so; O Gabriel! Love him.’ Gabriel would love him and make an announcement amongst the inhabitants of the Heaven. ‘Allah loves so-and-so, therefore you should love him also,’ and so all the inhabitants of the Heaven would love him, and then he is granted the pleasure of the people on the earth.” (Bukhari 4/431 and 8/66, Muslim and Tirmidhi)

We understand that those who are beloved to Allah (SWT) should also be beloved to us and hence we love them. How can we tell that they are beloved to Allah (SWT) well they will be doing all of the above and have the best of characters.

In fact - knowledge is not the key criteria for closeness to Allah (SWT) because that would be an unfair advantage to the more capable (phrase reference by Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad) rather the traits of good character is possible to be done by all and more importantly everyone can determine good character in others without needing an education because it comes from the heart, however if a layman was to decide who is more knowledgable he would not know for obvious reasons … this is the basis for selecting a righteous guide and leader.

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Peace diwana

The conept of taqlid is an interesting one … as it is translated often as “blind faith” - The people who follow the example of Shuyukh are often blamed for “blind faith” … however the statement above is just that …

Faith in ones ability to discern or extract the truth is not humility - if we leave ourselves open to listen to everyone that is “blind faith” because we should do our homework first. Why should I entertain the words of a member of Al-Muhaajiroon for example when I see him smoking and shouting and causing people annoyance? If I see in him bad character then that is reason to avoid his words.

The reason why one should choose to follow set opinions is because they are often complimentary to the whole package - and by that token - why should I listen to you on this when I have, with no offense to you, better examples to take my knowledge from? Namely those scholars who have excellent character.

Also the same statement above is wrong “egocentric” means just that - not submitting to others and holding oneself in high regard … if someone chooses a single way then there is no ego in that since they have resigned their egos in that way. To believe we are capable of sifting knowledge “ourselves” to arrive at ahkam is the opposite of humility. We find the traits of good character and get into a contract with those people to help us deal with our affairs in this life - not with our relationship with Allah (SWT) since that is a personal affair. The scholars tell us that their own students may be much higher than them in the Sight of Allah (SWT) because they may have stronger levels of sincerity. (Ikhlas).

“Time to break the walls” ??? … Bro … we should be building houses not breaking walls

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Still say, break the walls of sects and madhabs. Time is high for it.

Arguing on trivial and frivolous issues is what comes when sects and madhabs are followed instead of basic Islam.**

'Taqleed' as following blindly is what sheep do.

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I'm sorry but this is ignorance. First of all sects and madhahib are completely two different things. Secondly, if it wasn't for the Imams of the madhahib you wouldn't have any Science of Hadith and hence any Shariah (not Taliban's Shariah but the Sacred Law).

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Just a further point ... the knowledge of scholars is a thing like pearls hidden in shells on the bottom of the sand in the ocean. Imam bin Hanbal for example memorised many hundreds of thousands of hadith, including their chains and narrations. The scholars would build up a wealth of knowledge and pool it together with their teachings on how to discern them and compare them with one another on top of that memorisation.

First of all it may seem to the uninitiated that Dr. Zakir Naik has lots of knowledge, he does compared to you and me, but the scholars the big ones in the middle east know more ... they just don't broadcast that knowledge in their speeches, by quoting references in the same way that is done by Zakir Naik.

What will happen with Dr. Naik is that is if there are some issues or problems others have he will bring a select set of hadith that he knows to answer them, according to his own understanding, which is not wrong but in terms of knowledge is inferior to the wealth of knowledge brought by scholars who not only develop their own understandings but have the understandings of previous scholars too, a thing which is not as accessible to "book" based researchers, because a lot of Islam is still based on traditional communication and teaching methods which is the oral transmission.

When the scholars sit in front of their audience their concern is for them they have a relationship with each one and are concerned for the welfare of each, Dr. Naik is not concerned with his audience in the same way at all. Well I can't expect you to understand that what you have no experience in ... all I can say is that when I did start to go to sit with scholars I felt the immediate difference.