Dr. Zakir Naik refers to Muhammad S.A.W....

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i haven't read the entire thread

can someone conclude whether its ok to say Hazrat Mohammad saw died, or is it not?

Because I can remember every time nana abu or mom or anyone else mentioned Hazrat Mohammad saw's death, they would say something like "Hamare Nami saw ne Hazrat Aisha ra ki gaud mein wafaat paayi".... "faut" is what has always been used as far as I know... which translates to dead, doesn't it? Why is it offensive? Can someone provide a reference that prohibits us from saying Hazrat Mohammad saw is dead?

I've never heard of this before so lets not make rules all by ourselves, and as the above poster said, lets not make everything so complicated.

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I would like to refer you to the speech that Abubakr R.A did on the death of Prophet Muhammad S.A.W. When everyone was in grief. He said that .. Everyone who used to worship prophet muhammad s.a.w listen carefully, he is not among us anymore. But if you worship Allah, then you don't have to worry. Allah is always here and will here.

That speech is pretty clear.

Secondly, This is the concept of us (apkstani) which think like that. Prophet Muhammad S.A.W was a messenger of God, like other prophets he was also one of them and the SUPERIOR one but, he was a human.

A qurani verse stats that, every that thing that live will have to die.

However, there is a different concept which is in reference to the Noor of Prophet Muhammad S.A.Q. Its all together different story.

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^^ I wanted to quote the same thing. Prophet Muhammed PBUH was the best among human beings, but he WAS human as per Quran and his own saying. The man who received revelation and had greatness of which words can describe. But just like Isa PBUH, Prophet Muhammed PBUH was a MAN and he passed away from this world as every soul has to taste death.

May Allah give all of us taufeeq to practice Prophet's way of life and keep us safe from Wahabi/Sunni fights. The hour is fast approaching and soon we will all see the truth.

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Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W) aj bhi zinda hai…
watch this…

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just wrote and gave few arguments over. dont' want to indulge in this debate since those who are not going to believe, will not believe. however, a question which might help 'em think.

  • Why this particular mentality exist in "Sub-Continent" people? why not other muslim think like that?

Once, I was talking to a shaikh and we were discussing these things that happens in pakistan and he said, thank God hazoor was not among Pakistani people, otherwise pakistani would have started worshiping him rather worshiping Allah. (thats kind a same thing which Hazrat Abu Bakar R.A said in his last speech written in my earlier reply on the very page).

*May Allah bless us with the wisdom to understand and follow the islam, the way it meant to be rather following it the way our shaikh's are making it to be * :) .. ** PEACE **

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wat would u comment on the links on my previous msg?

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I have already seen tahir-ul-qadri and i know a lot about him. thats why i said ain't commenting on anything .. .. .. ..

Allah hum ko islam samjhnay ki tofeeq ata farmaye. ameen

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yeah ofcourse... Allah sab ko hidayat day....
anyhow i'll never say wrong to anyone but i think one should clarify....

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:salam2:

Hazart Aisha :ra: ne sar-e-aqdas apny senay se lagai bheeti thi. Itnay mein App :saw2: ne haath utha kr ungli se 3 martaba ishara farmaya or 3 martaba yeh farmaya "Bal Alrafeeq Al A’aala" (ab koi nahi**) Balke woh bara rafeeq chahiyeh**". Yehi alfaaz zuban-e-aqds pr thy k naguhan magds haath latak gay or aankhain chat ki taraf dekhtay howay khuli reh gai or App :saw2: ki roh-e-mubarak aalim-e-qads mein pohanch gai. INNA NILLAH WA INNA ILAHE RAJEOON **ALLAHUMA SALY ALA WA SALLAM WA BARAK ALA SAYEEDINA MUBHAMMAD WA AALIHE WA ASHABIHEH **(Bukhari jild-2 Page 640, 641, Bab Al Marz)

Tareekh wafat mein morakheen ka bara ikhtilaf hay lekin is pr tamaam ulama ka itefaq hay ke ‘do samba’ ke din or rabi ul awal ka mahina tha. yehi din mashoor hy 12 Rabih Awal 11 hijri 2 Shamby ke din 3sary pehar App :saw2: ne wasal farmaya

Wafat ka Asar: Hazrat Usman Ghani RA pr aisa sakta tari hogiya ke idhar udhar bhagtay thy magar kisi se kuch na kehtay or na kisi ke suntay thay.

Hazrat Ali RA ranj-o-malal mein nidhaal hogay or is tarha bhaitay rahy ke in ke uthnay bheetnay or chalny phirnay ki sakit hi na rahi.

Hazrat Abdulla bin Anees RA ke qalb pr aisa dhacka laga ke woh is sadmay kor bardaasht na kar saky or in ka heart-fail hogiya.

Hazrat Umar RA apne hoosh-o-hawas aise kho diya ke unho ne talwaar nikal lor or madina ke galiyon mein idhar udhar bhagty phirtay or kehtay ke agar kisi ne kaha ke Rasool Allah :saw2: ki wafat hogi to mein is tarlwaar se us ki gerden (neck) ura donga.

Hazrat Aisha RA ka biyan hy ke wafat ke baad Hazrat Umar or Hazrat Mugheerah bin Shaiba RA ijazat le kr makan mein dhakil howay. Hazart Umar RA ne Hazoor :saw2: ko dekh kr kaha ke buhat hi sakht ghazi ka dora pr giya hy. jab waha se chalny lagy to Hazrat Mugherah RA ne kaha ay Umar! tumhain to kuch khabr bhi hay? Hazoor :saw2: ka wasal ho chuka hy. Hazrat Umar RA apy se bhar hogay or tarap kr bolay ke ay Mugheerah! tum jhootay ho Hazoor :saw2: ka us waqt tak intaqal nahi ho sakta jab tk aik aik munafiq ka khatama nahi ho jay.

Hazart Abu Bakar RA ne Surat Al Imran ke ayat ki tilawat farmai (already translation of this ayat posted earlier in this thread). Hazrat Abdullah bin Abbas kehtain hein ke Hazrat Abu Bakar RA ne yeh ayat tilawat farmai to maloom hota tha ke goya koi is ayat ko nahi janta, in se sun kr har banda yehi ayat parhny laga (Bukhari Jild 1 Page 166 Bab Al Dakhool ali Mayat Alz or Madraj Al Nabwah Jald 2 Page 433).

Gosh tak suntay thy faryad k ab ay tadosh
tabaneen khana badoosho ko sahy gaiso
akhari hajj ghum umat mein mareshan ho kr
tera bakhtoon ki shafaat ko sudhay gaiso

Pardon me being off-topic. I read few pages and i hav only 1 question. our Prophet Muhammad :saw2: said: Jis ne meri aik sunnat ko zinda kiya goya us ne mujeh zinda kiya . How many of us follow the sunnat of our beloved Prophet Muhammad :saw2: or act/do would like to act?

If we continue, this debate will never end. beside this, we should take what is correct and the rest we leave it by saying that 'Allah SWT hum sub ko seedhi rah pr chalny ki toufeeq ata farmay Ameen.

P.S. the above information may vary.

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Yes Prophet SAW is physically dead that is why he is buried.

He is enjoying blessings of Allah in heavens but he is not connected to this world any more.

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God forbids....

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Quran says..."And call not those who are slain in the way of Allah dead, Nay they are living, only you perceive not"

now this is written in Quran, dunno why are their conflicts....? y are we not following Quran, juz making own Islam and following it

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I think this thread served its purpose and it should be closed :rule:

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this is related to shaheed .. ..

KG, just answer me one thing. Why this concept only exist in sub-continent muslims? why not every muslim think that Prophet S.A.W is not dead (The way Tahir-ul-Qadri expalins). Please .. Explain this.

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Hazrat Muhammad (SAW)'s status is more then a shaheed...but i dont wanna argue.... but juz wanna say one thing...
kia hamari itni aukaat hai k ham Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) k baray main behas karain...? u tell me are u 100% sure that Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) is not in this world....? and if yes then satisfy me....

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whether living in Heavens or dead in graves, any Messenger would say this om Qayamah like Jesus AS will say,

5:117 ** I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them*; **when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them*, and Thou art a witness to all things."

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@Khamosh Girl;

First of all, I am writing these lines not to prove that I am right. Just looking forward for healthy Knowledge sharing over islam. I might be wrong and if i am Wrong then I am all looking forward for +ve knowledge that is going to be shared here.

Now, lets come to the topic. I will first reply to your messages one by one.

1: You posted some videos of Tahir-ul-qadri on specific topic. I accept him as a great scholar (accept on few controversial things). Now, my reply to those videos will be the same as i posted about. Leme paste it here

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I would like to refer you to the speech that Abubakr R.A did on the death of Prophet Muhammad S.A.W. When everyone was in grief. He said that .. Everyone who used to worship prophet muhammad s.a.w listen carefully, he is not among us anymore. But if you worship Allah, then you don't have to worry. Allah is always here and will here.
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Now, this quote from Hazrat Abubakar is authentic and could be referred from hadiths books. Secondly, we don't have a single objection on the personality of Hazrat Abubakar. Now its your choice, are you gona believe on the "manipulated" words of Tahir-ul-qadri or Hazrat Abu bakar R.A

-- Tahir-ul-qadri sahab to 12 Rabi-ul-Awal ko b bohat ahtmam say manatay hain. Aap hadeeths ki 6 books mai kahi say b koi reference la dain jaha 12 rabi-ul-awal ka zikar aur is ki ahmiat byaan ho.

2: Related to quranic verses that you posted

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Quran says..."And call not those who are slain in the way of Allah dead, Nay they are living, only you perceive not"
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Could you please tell me the name of sura and could you also narrate the translation of 3 ayats before this particular ayat and 3 ayat after this particular aya. I want to see if this particular ayat and the context before these ayat is actually referring Prophet S.A.W or these ayat are referring to the importance of Jihad and the greatness of the people who die for Allah.

3: Sure, We are not that much capable of discussing Hazrat Muhammad S.A.W. However, if we are discussing something related to islam, or related to islamic knowledge then we must share whatever we can.

4: I am not going to satisfy you on the fact that Hazrat Muhammad S.A.W is dead. That would be your personal decision, I am just going to refer few points.

There is another hadeeth which i am not able to recall properly but it states something like that Rasool Pak s.a.w descend down to reply to the person who send darood shareef on them. *** I AM NOT SURE ABOUT THIS HADEETH BUT IT HAS SOME MEANINGS LIKE THAT ***. God forbid me if i am wrong

A note on sub-continent muslims
There is one particular fact that we (sub-continent) muslims have to realize that we are descendants of Hindus. At some point of our ancestor tree, they were hindu. So, we still have those kind a gene. We still love to worship or praise those things which are not even listed in our religion.
- Things like doing sajda on mazaar - those muslims justify it as their "aqeedat" to those buzurg.
- Things like relating some arbitrary thing to religion - shape of cloud, shape of pakistan's map etc (you better know what i am talking about).

The list goes on.

My question is, Why all these things are in sub-continent muslims. Why muslims of other countries don't believe in these?

A bottom line: As long as something is in Quran and Hadeeth it is acceptable. No sooner, the words are manipulated by mula's that we have now a days .. I have doubts :)

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I guess, instead of arguing with each other we better re-read this thread from page 1-7. Everything has been answered :)

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well its all about love and respect ..................................... agar ap Pyaray nabi S.A.W se mohabbat or aqeedat rakhtay hain .... Tu ap ko bura lagay ga jo sahi hai :).................................aur aaj kal k Scholar s and molvis ...............i dont know abt them ........ sirf aik jazba jo k hai Ishq or pyar apnay ALLAH or Rasool se thats wat it is .....................................!!

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aqeedat ki inteha biddat hai

mera nahi khyal k hum mai say koi b AAP say utni mohabbat aur respect kr skta hai jitni Abubakar R.A krtay thay.

Aap S.A.W nay farmaya k mai nay duniya mai hr aik ahsaan chuka diya, nahi chuka saka to Abuabakar R.A ka, aur un ka ahsaan Allah balance farmaye ga (Mafhoom - not the original one).

Agr Hazrat Abubakar Sidique apni speech mai ye kah rahay hai to is bari baat kya kaho ..