no harm in Robert sharing a legitimate point of view by quoting accurately from the Quran ^ , finding common ground is great but so is shedding light on a specific topic, if it increases our knowledge. that is the purpose of forums such as these.
I never said i disagree with him nor did i say that he didn't qoute verse from Quran.
u need to read my post, my topic was something else.
i disagreed with him on his way of discussion, you can not just qoute ur own interpretion , u have to qoute a verse with the "correct" references and then prove ur point with the help of that instead of jsut copy pasting, misquides dumbos like me.
Masha Allah u r smart u got wat he meant.
and its Quran that tells us to come to common ground, its not something i m saying, and if u wana argue then argue on Shahadah, imaan, salaat, zakaat, saum, and Huj
no I don't wanna argue, I get your point and I get Robert's point as well. thats the beauty of these forums, respect all feedback if its within the confines of the topic :)
no I don't wanna argue, I get your point and I get Robert's point as well. thats the beauty of these forums, respect all feedback if its within the confines of the topic :)
lol by "you" i didn mean you wondergurl, i meant if anyone wants to argue.
and thanks for understanding
Dr. Naik is very complete and blunt in his naration of facts.
Muslims all over the world can do-think-practice what ever they wish as long as the focal point remains the "love for Phrophet Mohammad-PBUH" and "Allah subhan-ul-talah" as the one-and-only supreme power of our (including Mohammad-PBUH) being.
I believe Dr. Naik is absolutly right no matter what the 'perhay-likhay-jahil' say
wala-e-alam
Question: If praying to Allah (swt) next to a grave was "haraam", please tell why the Prophet (pbuh) wished to be buried in a mosque, i.e. Masjide Nabbawi?
And if making a muqbara over a grave was "haraam". Why did Allah (swt) ordered one to be built over the graves of the Ashaab e Qahaf in the Quran?
as dead, now isnt that kufr?
a friend of mine told me of this video last nite, i was absoloutely disgusted Astagfirullah........
so people wats ur point of view on this?
just goes to show his lack of knowledge
Don't be emotional bro, because our mullas misguide us. Quran is very clear in this regard, Quran says many Prophets before Muhammad s.a.w have died and Muhammad s.a.w will also die, something like that. I forgot in which chapter this is mentioned. But I know there are some schools of thoughts which have the idea that Muhammad s.a.w is alive, well he s.a.w might be alive in the context that can't be understood by us, at least he is not alive as we are and that's enough for us to know.
This has been a major conflict between Bharelvis and Deobandis for years. The topic of "Noor" and "bashar".** After listening to both of them and their logic, I realized that there are infinite dimensions to this discussion and both of them would come up with very strong reasonings in support of their beliefs from Quran and hadith.
I think Maulana Maududi was right when he was asked the same question on TV in 1971. His reply was
"You won't be asked this question on the day of judgement. Try to focus **more **on those things that would be asked from you which Allah and the Prophet (saw) told you to do."
It is better to not put intense force on our mind in trying to think over things which are beyond our mental capabilities.
It is major conflict between Bharelvis and rest of the Muslim world.
ok for instance u have these ppl in pak or wherever go to shrines n places of worship n start kissing the graves of ummm i dunno watthey r called in engllish so in urdu its pir/fakir ppl anyways they bow don n start praying to these PIR instead of asking from Allah SWT
hope thats somewat answers ur question
Did you hang out with these folks and listen to their every prayer? Did they worship it like a hindu? Or did they do tawaf around that building like around the kaaba? How do you know they worship the grave? surely you must have some proof and not making this stuff up on your own, or just repeating what you have been taught.
Did you hang out with these folks and listen to their every prayer? Did they worship it like a hindu? Or did they do tawaf around that building like around the kaaba? How do you know they worship the grave? surely you must have some proof and not making this stuff up on your own, or just repeating what you have been taught.
zakir naik is a paindu.
no my dear i am not taught this, the only reason i mentioned is is because u asked me to make it clear on wat i mean, n i did
i dunno he hindus worship but i can asure u i have seen it with my own 2 eyes, there was this shrine in our village n ppl would often go there, every now n again while passing i saw ladies including sme family member from the in-laws, actually kissing the grave n of these pir/fakir n asking from them instead of asking Allah.
i even questioned my MIL y do these ppl do this n she replied 'well betay yeh pir bht he ponch vale hain n they will always help u in ur hard times'
ummmm ok coz i thought we were meant to ask from Allah SWT no?
now i hope that answers ur questions n if it doesnt dnt even bother asking anymore or pointing fingers, coz im not going to reply since ur going off topic
many posters have already explained it, with all the references. however, im posting excerpts from “Al-Muhannad A’la Mufannad” explaining aqeeda ahl-e-sunnat-wal-jama’at, to summarize the whole thread. though the language used is a bit difficult, not very easy for people like us, but at the same time, i believe that correct terms and sentences are needed to correctly explain the exact belief.
So I wonder how Dr Zakir explains this Historical fact that Our Holy Prophet (PBUH) was able to change and influence events where grave robbers would have violated the Roza Mubarak.......
He (PBUH) was able to warn and Identify persons who had intentions of robbing his body.............
No other person was able to change events or prevent them from happening more than 1000 yrs after their intiqaal!
So I wonder how Dr Zakir explains this Historical fact that Our Holy Prophet (PBUH) was able to change and influence events where grave robbers would have violated the Roza Mubarak.......
He (PBUH) was able to warn and Identify persons who had intentions of robbing his body.............
No other person was able to change events or prevent them from happening more than 1000 yrs after their intiqaal!
Brother SindSagar In this incidence it was the Sultan in question who saw the the dream - and the good dreams are from Allah (swt) even if in that dream it was the Prophet (saw) who was seen.
If Prophet (saw) by himself could do this on his own initiative wouldn't he have intervened in many other incidences to guide his Ummah to the correct path - for example sort out the differences between the Sunnis and the Shias.
Did not say that I am leaving behind this Quran and my Sunnah for the true guidance?
Did he not say that the upright scholars are his inheritors?
ohhh ok so u also saying that our beloved Prophet SAW is DEAD?
in that case give me ref from Quran or hadeeth where its mentioned that Muhammad SAW is DEAD......
thank u
Ahle Sunnah wal Jama'ah believes that the Messengers and Prophets ('alayhi as-salam - peace be upon them) are alive in their graves but in the sense of barzakh and no alive person is aware of that state. However, they are dead in worldly sense. We'll go over cricketplaya's supposedly Sunni fatawa in a moment - more of a heretical Ash'ari/Maturidee believes. Please do read these ayaat with open heart and mind:
Allah says in the Qur'aan (interpretation of the meaning):
Everyone shall taste death. [Surah al-'Imran:185]
Everyone is going to taste death [Surah Al-Anbiya:35]
Everyone shall taste the death. [Surah Al-Ankabut:57]
Muhammad (sal-allahu 'alayhi wa salam) is no more than a Messenger, and indeed (many) Messengers have passed away before him. [Sural al-'Imran:144]
So, the word "Everyone" includes everyone, doesn't it?
You should spend some more time reading the Salafi definition and the reality of Salafi Da’wah; for starters refer to What is da’wah Salafiyah? If the Salafis don’t follow the Salaf then i wonder if you Ash’aris heretics follow them, who claim they worship a God who doesn’t exist or everywhere, the Qur’aan is not the Kalam of Allah and created (Allah Ta’ala didn’t say ‘Alif Lam Meem’). These are the heretical views of Jahamis and Mu’tzilite for which they were denounced as committing the act of kufr by the Salaf. Please also learn the Sunni 'Aqeedah and you can refer to 'Aqeedah of Ahle Sunnah wal Jama’h](HugeDomains.com)
It is not about majority, Dr. Zakir Naik isn’t an Islamic scholar; however he is Sunni in 'aqeedah, allhamdulillah. Maybe you should have suggested us the scholars to whom we direct our 'aqeedah questions. Is it Faraz Rabni, GF Haddad, Nuh Keller, the three well known neo-Jahamis and pusedo-Ash’aris? Or would you recon. us deobandi scholars who attribute lies to our Salafi Imam, Imam Abou Hanifa (radiallahu anho)?
Again, brother, you need to do bit of reading and innovators won’t help you in this matter. The issue of Tawassul as by the virtue of Prophet (sal-allahu 'alayhi wa salam) is well known fiqhi difference among the scholar, which is not a shirk but a bid’ah nonetheless; some scholars allowed it and others didn’t. It is amazing that you didn’t say anything about it. I’m sure this will help you and the other readers.
let’s go through your supposedly Sunni fatawa
yes, this is the 'aqeedah of Ahle Sunnah wal Jama’ah
now, this is not the 'Aqeedah of Ahle Sunnah wal Jama’ah and according to who this is the case because all the narrations you quoted only say that the Prophets ('alayhi as-salam) are alive in their graves. This is the 'aqeedah of the innovators i.e. Ash’aris. This is like saying people buried the Prophets (peace be upon them) alive. If they’re alive in worldly sense, then why do their descendants inherit? This is one of things for which Imam ibn al-Jawzi (rahimahullah) ridiculed you guys; he said on the Ash’arites:The heretics claim; i) there is no God in the Heavens, ii) neither is there Qur’an in the Mushaf, and iii) nor is there a Prophet in the grave;****‘your three shameful facets’
^ so GF Haddad is a kafir in your opinion ?
I never said that and I'm in no position to make takfeer on anyone. However, he is a sufi with deviant 'aqeedah, who have the same believes as our brelawi brothers and it is amazing that deobandis take stuff from him. Also, he is not a sunni in 'aqeedah and according to the Salaf he has committed kufr; these are not my words but the words of the Salaf. If you need the evidence feel free to ask me...May Allah Ta'ala guide us and make us adhere to the correct path, ameen.
thanks for sharing.