Re: Dr. Iqbal & Family (Source:OMG)
allama iqbal did go thru quite a many changes, shuroo shuroo me to woh bhee western concepts se impressed thay....
baad me un ko waqt ke saath sho'oor huwa to un pe haqeeqat khuli keh asal chhe to sirf Islam hai baqi sab ret ka dher....
Re: Dr. Iqbal & Family (Source:OMG)
Yes, I frogot to mention he married more than one woman for male child.
And if you talk about his youth, he was not like every Tom Dirk Harry. He read the Holy Quran with understanding. Not to get Sawab only but to practice also.
I also cant understand why people try to search his weak points. Allah has also forbid us to search weak points of others. I think he was a Sufi, Saint in English. So one cant be a Saint if he commits major sins.
I am not saying that he didnot have any weak point, as every human has some weak points. But commit a major sin is something else. It cant be counted as weak point. Allah said in Quran," Aur doosaroon kay baray main burray gumaan mutt karo. Kiyon kay baaz gumaan to gunnah hotay hain. Aur imaan lanay kay baad gunnah ka naam hi burra hai."
“Na aadmi aadmiyoon ka mazzaq urain na auratain auratoon ka mazzaq urain. Ho sakta hai jis ka mazzaq uraya ja raha ho woh Allah kay nazdeeq tum say behtar ho”.
Re: Dr. Iqbal & Family (Source:OMG)
^ main ne bhi tu yehi arz kia tha 
Ok, now as you are telling us about Allama sahab, can you tell us which shair is thought to be the first known shair of Allama iqbal ?
Considering the fact that you lived and studied in pakistan, you must have seen it somewhere :rotato:
( nothing serious, bas aisay he pooch raha hoon )
Re: Dr. Iqbal & Family (Source:OMG)
^ the first that got published was the poem "himaala", i think that is the one that got him recognition as a godo poet....
the only sort of typical poets' cchichora-pan in Iqbal'sp oetry that i've seen is the bhari mehfil me apnay yaar ko taaRa ghazal....
Re: Dr. Iqbal & Family (Source:OMG)
Yes I know that in his start he tried to do some romantic poetry but he finally got that this is not his place. As I remember his Shair regarding Aurat…
Hind kay shaayir pay Aurat sawwaar hai…
Main na sirf unki yeh maqbool-e-aam nazam parh kar farigh-ul-tehseel howi hoon bulkay main nay jis College say B.A. kiya hai woh maray Great grandfather ka kabhi Banglaw howa karta thha. Unhoon nay Hakoomat-e-waqt kay mangany par billa maawza woh Banglaw waqf kar diya. Yeh 1930 kay zamanay ki baat hai. Tub yeh Boys College bana. Phir Bosan Road par aik aur Boys College kay qeyaam say is ko Girls college main tabdeel kar diya gaya. Ji haan, main Multan main rehti hoon. Waisay maray zeyada tar relatives Lahore main rehtay hain laikin mera Dadehaal Multan main rehta hai.
Main Govt Degree College Cachehri road Multan ki baat kar rahi hoon. Us kay baad say aaj tak hum main say kisi nay Banglaw naheen kharida ya dekha kiyon kay itni istataa-at naheen hai. Laikin iska ajar koi insaan keya day sakta hai. Yeh to khalistan Allah kay liye kiya geya kaam hai. Baishaq hum aaj kal rent kay ghar main reh rahay hain laikin us sadqa-e-jariya ki baat hi kuchh aur hai. Mairi Ammi nay bhi waheen say B.A. kiya thha.
Woh great grandfather Allama Iqbal kay bhi grandfather thhay. Yeh unki tasweer daikhiye. Mairay Abbo nay paint ki hai.
Re: Dr. Iqbal & Family (Source:OMG)
Iqbal was a scholist, not a philosopher. He married twice and is said to have killed a woman whom he was in some relation with. He also consumed alkohol. He was an admirer of Italian fascist Mussolini and was greatly inspired by Germon Philosopher Nautchae from whome he borrowed the idea of Khodi (will-power) and Mard-i-Momin (superman). He borrowed the symbol of "Shaheen" (to symbolize the free spirit of Mard-i-Momin) from Pashto poet Khushal Khan Khattak whose Pashto poetry had been translated into English at that time.
He said an eulogy in praise of General Dyre, the butcherer of Jalianwala. He accepted the titalge "Sir" from British (Rabindar Nath Tagore had abdicated this title after the massacre of Jalianwala (in protest).
He was a good poet though. But Ghalib and Faiz are better poets than him, especially Faiz who has great huministic poetry. Ghalib spoke of universal truth and universality of human nature. Of course Ghalib and Faiz are greater poets because they talked about something more universal. Iqbal's poetry is only sentimental and confined trying to "rationalize" religious approach. He tries to make philosophy subsevient to religion where in fact philosophy is a superior form of knowledge.
Re: Dr. Iqbal & Family (Source:OMG)
^
fayz is no where close to Iqbal…
and definitely not in the same league as ghalib…
now Iqbal is suddelt a sharabi and a qaatil… 
also plz bring forward the eulogy wriiten for dyre, lets read it…
Re: Dr. Iqbal & Family (Source:OMG)
haaa haaa
it is well known that Natchez or Nautchae ( in whatever way u spell it)
was atheist. also his famous slogan was “god is dead”
Allama any tabhi yeah farmaya tha:
** agar hota woh majzoob e firangee iss zamanay maiN
tau iqbal uss ko samjhata muqaam e kibriyaa kiyaa hai **
Re: Dr. Iqbal & Family (Source:OMG)
More like her great grandfather and Allama Iqbal’s father were brothers who used to play gulli danda in the veranda. Now thats not such a door-paar ka rishta is it?
Sincerely,
Captain Lota
Re: Dr. Iqbal & Family (Source:OMG)
Woh Barey admi they is leye kaam bhi barey keye :k:
Allama Iqbal’s first verses (thought to be )
Moti samajh kar shaan-e-kareemi ne chun leye
Qatrey ju thay merey Araq-e-Infa’al ke
Re: Dr. Iqbal & Family (Source:OMG)
You are wrong. He didnot marry two women but four. And he didnot have any other type of relation with any woman as he married four women. Islam has allowed men to marry four ladies at the same time to prevent the system of having other type of relations with women.
Ahhh, so you think he commited murder. May I ask why? Any proof and any solid and logical reason would be appreaciated. Or this is just sunni sunnaayi?
About alkohol, I would say. Poeple get this image as in his poetry he wrote some poems regarding “Saaqi” means “Wine carier”. Kid, he didnot mean Wine carier as in real meaning but for Allah. And wine for his love. Not in original meanings. And as I said earlier, if he commited major sins, how he could be a saint. No one can be a saint if he dont follow the shariyah. Shariyah is stricken to follow to every person, even for Anbiyas (as). So how he could be Saint at all after commiting such sins. Huh, no proofs but blames. This shows how poeple get jealous of famous and nobel personalities.
Wrong. Totally wrond. Another accuse without logic and proof.
As I read in my Philosophy book, religion is far better than Philosophy. Especially Islam is better than human thoughts. And human Philosophy has to follow the religion and yes, Islam is the most Philosophic religion, the most logical religion.
Human mind cant cover every thing and dont have enough knowledge of everything. So Allah has the right to make laws for us. He desreves this as He created every thing including us.
I like Ghalib and Faiz too. I dont have any problem with these great poets. Faiz has an attitude like Iqbal. He also had the vision, you can say the Saint vision. I like his poem “Hum daikhian gay” . This poem is not simple to understand. It has great information. And he followed Iqbal (Rehm) in this one.
Re: Dr. Iqbal & Family (Source:OMG)
Thanks Code Red. I didnot want to tell this to everyone but people made me to do this as I read some views against daada Iqbal (rehm). So I couldnot stop my self. But as I said earlier, we dont want praise from people. Allah has better reward for him.
Re: Dr. Iqbal & Family (Source:OMG)
OMG can u give us some information that how he was in family? ... means too hard or soft
and how was his relationship with other family memebers ?
Re: Dr. Iqbal & Family (Source:OMG)
I have heard that the idea of Pakistan was born in the mind of Dr. Iqbal. Is it correct? After writing “SARE JAHAN SE ACHHA…”, what prompted him to get this idea?
Re: Dr. Iqbal & Family (Source:OMG)
^ well known that i think....
he foresaw the recent gujrat incidents in india to take place in almost all places....
wud not be safe for muslims in an independent india being a minority....
Re: Dr. Iqbal & Family (Source:OMG)
Muslims in India are just 13% while Hindus are 81% and so fundamentalist Hindus could massacre muslims in Gujarat. If Pakistan and Bangladesh would have been part of India then Hindus wouldn’t have dared such things. Muslim population in India could have been close to 40% because of high fertility. At the time of division, it was close to 30%.
Re: Dr. Iqbal & Family (Source:OMG)
After Kashmir, West Bengal has got the highest concentration of muslim population. In West Bengal, muslim population is 30% and not a single communal riot has occured since independence. In Kerala, muslims are over 20% and communal riots are unheard here too. In Gujarat, muslims are just 4% and that is why this could happen. In other areas where muslim population is large enough, Hindus are always scared.
In US, white people are about 80% and rest are blacks but there are no riots. In fact, white people are scared of blacks.
Re: Dr. Iqbal & Family (Source:OMG)
^ US whites and blacks is a very bad example to give....
we all know how ill-treated they r....
and as one mawlana said at the time of partition that saving half the muslims by takign them to a separate homeland is better than leaving them all as slaves of hindus and eventually losing them all....
Re: Dr. Iqbal & Family (Source:OMG)
Dr. Iqbal was a passionate indian. He lived and died as an indian, and his love for his home land is evident from this poen with is practically the national anthem of india.
Why he proposed the separate homeland for muslims of india ? Because he and other muslim leader were repelled by the stingy and hypocratic attitude of Hindu leaders at that time. It was particularly the period between world war 1 till 1930s that Hidu leaders betrayed and decieved muslims on number of very important issues and movements, Like civil disobedience movement and movement to restore khilafat after world war 1. Also the issue of West Bengal ane east Bengal. The Attitude of common hindus, considering Muslims untouchable (in hindu majority areas). communal voilence on Issues like sacrifice of cow etc ( which is pretty common till today )
Re: Dr. Iqbal & Family (Source:OMG)
His poetry and essays before his journey west were affirmations of his patriotism for India Naya Shawala (The new Alter). However upon his return he had developed a twofold distaste for nationalism:
1: For the damage he had seen in Europe where nationalism had racially imperialistic overtones, and:
2: The India he had grown up in now seemed to Muhammad to be unequal in common purpose.
