Double Standards

a young lady in this establishment is trying to get us to see that we have been conditioned to accept double standards in our culture

Double standards in accepting what is ok for males isnt really ok for females and vice versa

My question is

Are double standards Ok?

What happens when standards are changed to what is to is acceptable, should they be changed due to political correctness or the “advancement” of society…

are we charging up the road of feminism without fully understanding the what we are getting ourselves into?

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Depends what political spectrum you are in. The sex and playa thing is overly used. Its mostly finger pointing that hasn't changed any thing in the society and won't if done differently. Once feminists said, they don't want the female body to be used as a toy or an object. Right now, some feel proud to have a body and denegrade the hijab in our culture. Some might have seen Oprah in her show with her mouth open saying, "how do these women in muslim world live like this?"

The point is, if you act like a whore you are one. Having multiple partners and adultry is different in different culture. The western community doesn't call every girl a whore while majority have b/f or sleep around. Similarly most of the guys don't have a problem marrying a girl who already have a child. In our culture, it might be a problem. You can't judge people on what they appear or their past. Get to know them and stop squeezing a complex thing like life in simple words. Its just not like this.

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Get to know them and stop squeezing a complex thing like life in simple words. Its just not like this.

Precisely and phrases like "Desi guys who sleep around are more attractive to desi women", and "any desi woman who sleeps around is a **^(_) and deserves to be treated like one" are incompatible. Desis need to move on beyond this. :)

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as man with a plan started to point it…the biggest problem ain’t double standards, but STANDARDS, to begin with!
Trying to fit people into boxes, depending on income, gender, skin color or mother tongue…is basically short sighted. Nothing intelligent can emerge from such kind of attitude. Educated people don’t make such sharp quick jugments and learn to know each individuals beyond any appearance before elaborating some personal point of view on the other.
I remember that real feminism waa once defined to me as being aiming at making people think about a human being as a human being not as a woman or a man.
Those people who day after day, post after post talk about “woman” on one side “man” on another…are obvioulsy contributing to these so called double standards…the day when everyone human will be referered first and only as “human”, not as woman or man, gal or guy, then that day feminist battle will be over :flower1:
to stop double standards without alienating yourself, one must just refer to an individual as a person…and never ever say as a woman you shold not, or, as a man you should do that…instaed one should say, acording to your own personality, my best advice for you is…:flower1:

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Some double standards are necessary. For example, if we let women compete against men in running the 100m at Olympics, none of them will ever win gold. But golf is different or so I am told. I would definitely be against women going through any kind of prostate exam and men having to wear a bra just cos women do.

Then there are double standards in culture we can live without. It is very common for Desi guys to move out of the house before they get married, live on their own and do a lot of other things. Just recently a Pakistani girl did that after she landed a lucrative job at a local construction firm and what I have been hearing about it is definitely rooted in double standard. Not to say that I consider that particular girl a saint but at least we should use the same yard stick. Especially the aunties & uncles who have sons that just came back from a Christmas party bash shouldn’t be pointing fingers. :nono3:

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LD, to say that you're being conditioned to accept double standards in your culture isnt quite accurate. Double standards exist in every culture. Guys and gals are different and thats all there is to it and short of having a sex-change operation, theres nothing you can do about it. Women arent as strong, physically, as men. Men arent typically as forgiving or nurturing as women - meaning in the political and business sense too (which is a huge plus for women by the way) The vast majority of women would never be able to haul a large-sized male out of a burning building. Thats just one small example in any number of examples that could be brought up....the thing is to be accepting of what you are, what you're capable of and living your life to the fullest of YOUR particular capabilities. THose who have that type of focus tend to go much further than those who are always complaining about gender-equality and feminism. If something seems unfair then actions speak so much louder than words and complaints, know what I mean?

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cause you think majority of lazy ass would be able to haul a large sized man out of burning building?:D ...all jokes apart, you're being sexist....some peopla have different attibutes and separating woman on one hand, from men on another is sexist double standards....and the fact it exist in any culture is not proving it is good...i mean corruption exist in any culture too:D !....

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I think she's just telling it like it is, as unfavorable as it may sound.

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If we lose this by one vote I am coming after you :mad: sirf apnae liye hi nahi sochna chahiye, selfish man.:blush:

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oh come on...do you actually think that the genders can live completely equally? Impossible. Like I said, those who accept who and what they are, and use their strengths and weaknesses to their own particular advantage without complaint are the ones who succeeed. Those who complain the day away about the unfairness "of it all" really end up nowhere.

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i dont realy care

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but there is a huge difference between accepting who you are and complying to the “right” attitude dictated by a sexist standard…like of the women i know avoiding sport not to be strong, because women are supposed to be weak:eek: . I’d rather be myself that not doing something that is not supposed to be "womanly’:smiley:

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hey I think the same way...when I was working on wall st, I went to a dinner. It was me and 9 guys going to a top steak house. I was the ONLY one who finished the steak lol!!!! THEN I asked "ok so whats for dessert??" Their jaws dropped. But you can never forget your gender and the expectations that others have of your gender, you have to play it cool and calm. I did well in my career but know other gals who spouted off about being female, or black or blahblahblah when all they needed to do to advance themselves was to do a great job. Do we need to be BETTER than the guys? Yeah, a good part of the time....but the effort is worth it. You CAN be "womanly" AND successful it just takes alot of patience.

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Feminists belong in hell. They have ruined the society for everyone with their double standards.

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Mamaof3 is the only one whoever talks sense around here.

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What is right for women is not necessarily always right for men and vice versa. People who are shouting equality without appreciating the differences are blind. They are not doing anyone a favour.

If male whores are considered champions then female whores should be given an equal status too? Is that the equality we want? Is that the double standard we are worried about? How screwed up is that? Instead of condemning such acts for both genders, we are accepting them and making changes (towards the worse) accordingly. How dumb! :rolleyes:

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Hmmm, you sound a little threatened.

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No fayz. I argue the opposite. I don't know why you took the other direction with it. But I argue that if a woman is considered degraded because she compromised her religious values, then how do men not get treated the same way? They SHOULD NOT be treated like champions, because there's nothing superb about guys sleeping around before marriage. Especially when they have the nerve to say they don't regret. I mean, you make a mistake out of temptation one time or twice or whatever, and then you realize you're not being fair to the women you're sleeping with, your future spouse, etc. But then to say that you don't regret it, means you approve of men sleeping around before marriage.

Now all this would not matter, except I'm talking about Pakistani men, who for the most part are muslim and have no problem in turning around and pointing fingers and degrading girls. And it does happen quite a bit. The reason I opened the thread was to see how prevalent the thought process is.

I agree with ahmadjee's post. There are some differences that in the end are usually attributed to physical differences between a man and a woman. And don't talk about lifting heavy weights and what not, because even men who are not in shape will give themselves a hernia lifting heavy things.

I don't see how if a girl moves out of her home and lives in a dorm or in her own apartment, that its a bad thing? But somehow when guys do it, its not a bad thing? Then either it is a bad thing or its not. Gender should not play a role in figuring out whether an act is bad or not. Its the act itself you have to look at. If you excuse men to sleep around, then you're saying it is ok to sleep around. If you think the act is vile, then you should poo-poo men as much as you do women who do it.

But somehow bad girls always attract more limelight in our culture, and negative light too, than bad boys do. Boys are just expected to be bad.

Especially in the sleeping around example, I just don't get how its okay for a guy to sleep around. He's not sleeping with chairs, he's sleeping with women. So you have one act of sex. For that, one partner is bad, and then the other partner is good, because by the looks of what people in Mamaof3's camp are saying, your gender determines whether you sinned or not, not the nature of the act you did.

I wouldn't mind all that, but hey, if you're going to believe that mumbo-jumbo, then don't call yourselves muslim.

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PCG You misunderstand. I've said many times that sex-for-fun isnt right no matter what your gender. But the fact of the matter is....its out there and its practiced by more males than females. I do not think its ok but I dont condemn those who practice it - be they male or female. And it isnt just Desi culture that looks down upon "bad girls", its most every culture on the planet. This wont be changing any time soon since its the gals who are less physically capable of protecting themselves, the gals who become pregnant etc. And the male attitude of wanting to bring home a "nice" girl but wanting to "play" with the bad ones well, thats not going to change all too soon either - unless ALL gals become "good" gals!

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In Pakistani culture, and in other Eastern cultures, women are considered to be the 'repository' of the family's honour. If a woman is defiled, then the whole family's honour is lost for ever. In respectable society, if one of your women is caught or rumoured to be sleeping around, then it brings disgrace to the entire family, even though they have not been guilty of any crime.

The reason why double standards apply to women is because women are expected to guard their chastity in eastern cultures, if only for the sake of their family. Hence, if 2 people sleep around, most of the blame is fixed on the girl.