Particularly in this Forum but in other places as well, many of us have read various writings regarding Mullahs. We’ve read about that mullah in a Karachi-based madrasa who poured acid on a seventeen year old boy, we’ve heard of certain mullahs ordering that women’s pictures shouldn’t be displayed on billboards (whilst happily ignoring desperate social issues), we’ve all heard or read of particular mullahs who declare that women should stay in their houses and not venture outside and if they do, then those women should be punished. The list goes on. i think that, perhaps, it has reached a point where it has become acceptable to state to someone whom we deem is acting excessively ‘religious’: Don’t be such a mullah. To ‘be a mullah’, is to be intolerant, closed-minded, shut off from the rest of the world, and narrow-minded. At some point in our history in certain places, it used to be respectable to be a mullah. No more.
i want to offer a more balanced perspective. Not all mullahs are ‘evil’ and certainly not all deserve to be tainted in this manner. Let’s not discriminate against an entire group based upon the actions of its loudest segment. (Think of one billion peaceful Muslims vs. the tiny minority of Muslim terrorists). There is an Islamabad-based environmental NGO that is collaborating with mullahs in particular outlying villages; the NGOs’ and mullahs’ objectives are to provide sustainable agricultural techniques for the villagers and to implement entrepreneurial skills amongst the villagers (both male and female). The project is partially sponsored by CIDA (Canadian International Development Agency) and by the British embassy in Islamabad.
Prior to the project’s beginning, one of the initial queries the mullahs were surveyed upon was, what result(s) would you like to see from this project? One of the overwhelming answers from the mullahs was that they wanted to improve their perception in others’ eyes and they did not want to be branded as closed-minded. They expressed a desire to participate in the affairs of their community, their fellow villagers, in a constructive manner (as long as their opinions were also heard and not shunned).
These mullahs represent a different perspective than what we often hear about this group in general. Sure we have extremely wacko mullahs who deserve to be life-sentenced for some of the crimes they have committed (such as that acid crime above). But let’s not forget that there do exist some mullahs, albeit a silent group, who are not closed-minded, extremists, abusers, perverts, or closed-minded.
i know some of you will disagree - so go ahead, and please feel free to crucify me :halo:
mullahs again?..what i have extracted from ur loond post is … mullahs are violent
u have percieved as mullah to be violent …or majority of them…
well mullahs as i know are much better …infact opposite to what u see…to be precise … being aalim in islam means to be polite … to be respectfull to others…and most of ulema are like this
and the ones who do acts u mentioned in the post are not true ulema…they may be ulema e sooo …those who have sold their jannah for the earthly benefits…
also…some acts of ulema are dubbed as ignorant due to ignorance of islam at our part…
we dont want ulema to disagree with us…in any case …and dubb thwem ignorant to new trends when they do oppose our views…
will reply to other parts of ur queries soon
assalam olaikum
BB, did you not read the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs of Nadia's post? She's trying to say that not all Mullahs are violent and highlights some of the good deeds maulvis are doing in Pakistan along with the reasoning behind their actions. In fact, what she has clearly stated is that although the violent Mullahs may be the "loudest", they do not represent the majority of Mullahs who are peaceful.
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BB, did you not read the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs of Nadia's post? She's trying to say that **not all Mullahs are violent* and highlights some of the good deeds maulvis are doing in Pakistan along with the reasoning behind their actions. In fact, what she has clearly stated is that although the violent Mullahs may be the "loudest", they do not represent the majority of Mullahs who are peaceful.
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sorry sis........i siad i ll be replying to other part of the post soon.........
what i believe is that majority of mullahs (ulema)is good.....but the problem is that minority of ignorant socalled mullahs are promoted in the media to give a wroong impression of all the ulemas
Bao Bihari, Well i believe we are both reading from the same side of the page. We have a rather skewed ‘understanding’ of mullahs… as an analogy, i compared the approximately one billion Muslims around the world, to the tiny minority of Muslim terrorists - we can’t judge the former based upon the impressions (from the media) of the latter. My point in this thread is that, the same principle applies to mullahs… manifestly we have a minority of wacked up mullahs who are closed-minded… and i gave examples of their ignorance and complete idiocy earlier. But to colour all mullahs in that fashion - it’s not right, IMHO. And that’s why i gave the specific example of that Pakistan-based NGO that is doing some great work, IMHO, with the village mullahs. It’s stuff like that that fails to receive proportional media representation… inevitably leading to our misbalanced ‘understanding’ of all mullahs in general.
still one more thing dont define terrorist mullah the way westerns do…there may be some terrorist iadmit…but some terrorist mullahs are not that terrorist …
i hope u understand
assalam olaikum
still one more thing dont define terrorist mullah the way westerns do........there may be some terrorist iadmit......but some terrorist mullahs are not that terrorist .....
i hope u understand
assalam olaikum
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Mr. I agree that most mullahs are polite and have positive behaviour. But I do not agree that these polite and positive mullahs always behave in this way. They behave positively only when they are dealing with a person having the same idealogy and beliefs as they themself have. They are totally irrational (with small percentage of exception) and intollerant for all others who do not belong to their idealogy system.
If I have my views and beliefs different from a so called polite Mullah, I should never express my views openly before that "polite mllah". He will not let me go safe and sound.
To be more straitforward, I will like to add that not only before the mullahs but I should also avoid to express my different views about relegion or even about nature system before an average Pakistani "polite" person. It is the fact that our society is very mch intollerant about the so many so called "sensitive issues".
If Mullahs are tollerant and rational then try to do any of the following before any of the "ppolite mullah".
Deny any relegious statement made by that mullah.
Talk with them about the possibility that western nations can be on the right on various current issues
Try to tell them that "Ahmedies" can be right.
Try to ask them about the differences of various relegious beliefs and scientific theories.
Try to do the above things and see their "rational" behaviour.
Think of main Mullah(s) as Hitler and other less violent ones as his order obeying foot-soldiers. Mullahs are Nazis and if they really have any purpose in life, it is still to be seen. If their job is to spread the message of Allah, then they should do that without sticking their stupid legs in Politics and governance. A good Mullah is a non-political Mullah who believes in equality of sexes and religions, all other Mullahs are evil.
Mullah's that are in line with my faith are good and all others are bad! When we cry about Mullah's we forget there are some in our faith that do the same but only others note them..
Basic Force, You are certainly entitled to your own personal opinion
i would disagree that there is a small percentage of mullahs which is the exception. i don’t think we have any way of knowing that. It’s like saying there’s a small percentage of Muslims who don’t blow buildings up. There’s a large percentage of mullahs who probably are pretty open-minded and tolerant, but they’re the silent majority… just like the one billion Muslims are the silent, peaceful majority. The minority makes the loudest noise hence we feel they are representative - but they are not IMHO.
Degas, i am truly sorry, maiN samjhi nahiN what you are trying to state. Do you mean that i am trying to suggest that only the mullahs who think like me, are the good ones ? And all others are bad?
Nadia, no, I just thought that on the one hand you are saying that there's no way to know it, but on the other hand you are arguing that they are in majority. I gave my argument above, your makes little sense to me. Feel free to disagree.
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Mullah's that are in line with my faith are good and all others are bad! When we cry about Mullah's we forget there are some in our faith that do the same but only others note them..
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just wanna say.. look at replies all the mullahs that we dont agree are bad ones.. and accuse them as the most evil thing that ever happened to this world.. it all depends which side of fence we r.. all have mullah including sunni, shia, ahmadi or brelevi.. people who profess hatrad are in all sections of society so as good ones..
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Nadia, no, I just thought that on the one hand you are saying that there's no way to know it, but on the other hand you are arguing that they are in majority. I gave my argument above, your makes little sense to me. Feel free to disagree.
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Why don't you apply the same argument to what Basic Force stated? If, from your perspective, it is wrong for me to comment that these types of mullahs are in the minority, based upon the reason that there is no way of knowing this, then it should also be wrong of Basic Force to state the opposite - that these mullahs are in the majority. Because in his case also the same logic applies - there is no way of knowing that. The only reason his assertion is okay by you, but mine isn't, seems to me is because i've taken the position of defending mullahs in general - which i knew wouldn't be popular in this Forum.
Anyways feel free to disagree. As i stated to BF in my initial reply to him, he's entitled to his opinion.
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Nadia, you are getting me wrong altogether. I agree with you that there are good people on both side of the paradigm. Good Mullahs as well as stinky ones, just like any segments of the society. What I was quoting was a line from you, here's it again.
i would disagree that there is a small percentage of mullahs which is the exception. i don't think we have any way of knowing that. <<<
You see, two sentences together canceling one another. It is like saying "I would agree that the balloons are flying, I don’t think we have any way of knowing that". It was just a little inconsistent delivery by you.
Overall, I agree with you and Degas that they come in a variety, but sadly, those who are more vocal have happened (I guess that's what you also stated) to manipulate a huge chunk of the emotional empathy of masses. I don't know if you know it or not how difficult it is to criticize the bad Mullahs in Pakistan, one has to be willing to die to do that.
Do you in all honesty believe that I can say half of what I say here in a Pakistani newspaper or at a Mosque in Pakistan?
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**Do you in all honesty believe that I can say half of what I say here in a Pakistani newspaper or at a Mosque in Pakistan?
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With this particular statement of yours, i agree. You are right. We would both have death threats hanging on us now for some of the statements we have made in this thread.
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I don't know if you know it or not how difficult it is to criticize the bad Mullahs in Pakistan, one has to be willing to die to do that.
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i realize this.
Mullahs are arrogant- the role of the Mullah breeds arrogance as they believe they are always right. They promote conflict through their teachings. With hundreds of Sects within Islam, statistically they are all wrong in some way or another!!
The Mullahs were not as strong in the days of the spread of Islam. If some of our great Sufis of India (who take credit for us being muslims today) were around these days, they would have been pronounced "kafirs" by the mullahs of today because of their teachings!! (eg fusion of music within religion etc.).
Scilent peaceful Majority of Muslims (I mean Pakistani Muslims) are peaceful only for their own community. They are ready to subscribe for the purposes of any violence organizations which may be working in westren countries or in india (for the sake of “swab-e-daarain”, ofcourse). In Pakistan, No Christen, Hindu or Jew or even Ahmedies can express their beliefs or even small differences of opinion or idealogy before any group of most peaceful “muslims”. People of other relegions are often wrongly blamed for blasphamy and are put to jail. Scilent Majority keeps its criminal scilence to be continued. Every non muslim in Pakistan is treated as second class citizen and the scilent majority thinks it better to keep scilence on this issue as well. Every Muslim also is humiliated by forcefully signing the declaration that he considers a pertcular person to be lier or kazzab. This stupid declaration to be signed by every muslim is mendatory for necessary passport and ID card documents. Scilent majority is also scilent on this issue.
welll......to all those who dont like mullahs......and definately majority oft them is mirzai.......i would like to suggest that plz from now on dont invite any mullah when ur are marrying......when u want to pray janazah of ur loved one.....and ast many other instances.......i agree with nadia that silent majority of ulema are very tolerent....
and for that kid caled basic force.......kiddo try kalling some mirzai muslim infront of me...........i can stand any thing but cant stnd the mirai junk............
think why muslim all over the globe hate mirza........
Much appreciated.