Domestic cricket "Talent"

Bowling:

In a recent (on going) ABN-AMRO Bank tourney, following are the top wicket takers (criteria : 9+ wickets)
Junaid Zia might make a come back if our youngsters in Khalil, Anjum don’t show a better performance. Junaid’s SR is good but economy is bad.
Mazhar Ali looks good with Ave of 12.5 run per wicket, SR of 20.4 and ecnomoy also good! :k:
Mohammad Irshad, our next Shoaib/Sami (names used only for pace comparison) has 13.72 ave, good strike rate, okay ECONO.
Riaz Afridi, Saeed Ajmal and Sarfaraz Ahmed also look good with Sarfaraz having upper hand in ECONO and AVE.
Shahid Nazir has played for Pakistan before, he was not a “GREAT” bowler, I believe he averaged around 33 in ODIs, but unfortunately that was time of Shoaib Akhtar and M Sami around the duo Ws, so didn’t last long… he might come back too, but he is 27 years old, just in case “age matters”.
Yasir Arafat has played 2 ODIs, getting 2/65.


Name                Mat    O      M     R   W    Ave  Best  4w 5w    SR  Econ Team
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Mohammad Irshad       4   36      0   151  11  13.72  4-33   1  -  19.6  4.19 MULTAN-R
Junaid Zia            4   30      1   177  11  16.09  5-53   1  1  16.3  5.90 LAHORE-RW
Shahid Nazir          5   40.4    6   126  11  11.45  5-30   -  1  22.1  3.09 FSLBD-R
Mazhar Ali            4   34      1   125  10  12.50  5-20   -  1  20.4  3.67 HYD-R
Yasir Arafat          5   43      2   222  10  22.20  3-40   -  -  25.8  5.16 RAWAL-R
Riaz Afridi           5   31      6   143   9  15.88  3-45   -  -  20.6  4.61 PESH-R
Saeed Ajmal           5   30.1    2   136   9  15.11  3-14   -  -  20.1  4.50 FSLBD-R
Sarfraz Ahmed         5   33.5    3   103   9  11.44  3-20   -  -  22.5  3.04 SIALKOT-R


Batting:

Rafatullah scored highest runs in the tourney with an average of 52.4 with SR of 82.38 with 1 century, 2 50s!
Misbahul Haq as second highest scorer with an average of 70.33, SR of 103.43. He scored one century. This guy keeps knocking on the door, but I guess PCB does not like him for some reason.
Ashfaq Ahmed scored total of 205 @ average of 51.25 and SR of 107.32, with one century!
Saeed bin Nasir played @ average of 39 @ 71.42 SR.
Also can be seen is Faisal Athar who got a chance to play only ONE ODI and then got dumped, shabash PCB !


Name                Mat    I  NO  Runs   HS     Ave     SR 100 50   Ct St Team
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Rafatullah Mohmand    5    5   0   262  113   52.40  82.38   1  2    1  - PESH-R
Misbah-ul-Haq         5    4   1   211  129*  70.33 103.43   1  -    4  - FSLBD-R
Ashfaq Ahmed          4    4   0   205  105   51.25 107.32   1  -    -  - LAHORE-RW
Saeed Bin Nasir       5    5   0   195   52   39.00  71.42   -  1    -  - KARACHI-RB
Abid Ali              4    4   0   187   96   46.75  69.00   -  2    3  - LAHORE-RW
Khurram Manzoor       4    4   1   186   94*  62.00  83.78   -  2    2  - KARACHI-RW
Shahid Yousuf         5    5   0   185   94   37.00  94.87   -  2    1  - SIALKOT-R
Faisal Athar          4    4   1   183   73*  61.00 100.54   -  2    3  - HYD-R
Aamer Sajjad          4    4   1   180   78*  60.00  98.36   -  2    5  - LAHORE-RW
Aqeel Anjum           4    4   1   163   45   54.33  64.94   -  -    2  - HYD-R

I know its Pakistani domestic cricket, the least interested topic, but I do like to take a look at it from time to time :smiley:

Can we make this thread to keep an eye on performers in domestic cricket? Anyone interested? :smiley:

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The oneday competition is not a good gauge of judging domestic talent. Its the four day first class competition a la Patrons Trophy and Quaid-e-Azam Trophy that count.

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Source?.

Is Rafatullah a RHB or a LHB?

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yaar aap ko source laganay ka bara shoq hai? :stuck_out_tongue: j/k
I got these averages from Cricinfo.

Rafatullah is RHB, slow left arm orthodox.

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domestic level pai yai sarai talented hai, unfortunately international level pai in sab ki path jati hai :(

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I agree, just like county performances, our domestic level is just that “domestic”.

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I hope the current structure will work, but we also need a talent hunt program as India had on an urgent level.
I strongly believe that we need to have batting and bowling camps in all the major cities of Pakistan. That includes Lahore, Karachi, Peshawar, Pindi, Hyderabad, Quetta, Multan, Faisalabad, Sialkot and Abbotabad. We should have these camps on seperate times and should have atleast two former reknowned bowlers or batsmen to check the players. We should invite all the wannabes bowlers and batsmen from that city and vicinity to show their talents. These camps should last from 10 to 15 days.
And as we select 5 to 10 players from each camp, they should join Pakistan Cricket academy for further tests and grooming. Out of those we will keep the best cream in Academy and the rest will be sent to the regional teams to give them atleast 3 chances and further training. If they perform well they can climb to Pak under 19 and then Pak A and B teams. There must be atleast 3 to 5 players that will have extra ordinary talent, those can have special training in the academy under the coaching of greats, whose special assignment would be to polish the player for intl cricket and remove any technical flaws and weakness.

To facilitate this we need good regional academy buildings and grounds (or flourish the existing infrastructure) in each centre. Where players can live, eat healthy food, exercise to get fitness that is required on Inlt level and do practice 5 days a week. This could be a Rs. 2 to 3 corer project. But it will pay off very soon.

I would say within 8 to 12 months we will be a different cricket nation once again. With lots of potential and backups.

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Final for ABN Amro First Class tournament will be held on March 17.

Here are current stats for Bowling and Batting:

Bowling:


**Name Balls Mdns Runs Wkts BB Ave 5wI 10wM**
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Najaf Shah (PIA) 796 28 331 19 5-68 17.42 2 0 
Mohammad Hussain (PTCL) 768 33 304 15 6-137 20.26 1 0 
Riaz Afridi (PTCL) 636 20 333 14 6-64 23.78 1 0 
Imran Tahir (PIA) 735 29 398 14 5-49 28.42 1 0 
Tahir Mughal (ABL) 478 15 210 13 4-27 16.15 0 0 
Faisal Irfan (WAPDA) 595 19 255 13 5-73 19.61 1 0 
Iftikhar Anjum (ZTBL) 567 18 262 13 7-59 20.15 1 0 
Nadeem Javed (KPT) 375 14 246 12 6-62 20.50 2 0 
Mansoor Amjad (ZTBL) 801 24 349 12 4-110 29.08 0 0 
Abdur Rauf (ABL) 688 10 371 11 4-55 33.72 0 0 
Mansoor Ahmed (KPT) 566 14 315 10 4-87 31.50 0 0 
Fazl-e-Akbar (PIA) 150 7 78 9 6-24 8.66 1 0 
Shahid Nazir (HBL) 342 9 158 8 4-43 19.75 0 0 
Abdur Rehman (HBL) 408 22 184 8 4-58 23.00 0 0 
Kashif Raza (WAPDA) 562 27 245 8 3-83 30.62 0 0

Batting:


**Name Matches Inns Not Out Runs HS Ave 100 50 Ct**
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Usman Tariq (ABL) 3 6 0 395 160 65.83 2 1 3 
Ahmer Saeed (KPT) 3 6 0 319 105 53.16 1 3 2 
Naved Ashraf (ZTBL) 3 4 0 318 146 79.50 1 2 4 
Khalid Latif (ABL) 3 6 2 308 110* 77.00 1 1 1 
Wajahatullah Wasti (ABL) 3 6 0 294 162 49.00 1 0 1 
Adil Nisar (WAPDA) 3 5 0 257 202 51.40 1 0 1 
Ashar Zaidi (PTCL) 3 4 0 239 159 59.75 1 1 6 
Kamran Sajid (PIA) 3 5 1 228 74* 57.00 0 3 0 
Shehzad Malik (PTCL) 3 4 1 219 121 73.00 1 1 2 
Saad Wasim (KPT) 3 5 1 217 108* 54.25 1 1 3 
Moin Khan (PIA) 3 4 0 214 115 53.50 1 1 6 
Tariq Aziz (WAPDA) 3 5 0 209 97 41.80 0 2 2 
Atiq-ur-Rehman (WAPDA) 3 5 0 206 61 41.20 0 1 3 
Zahoor Elahi (ZTBL) 3 4 0 202 146 50.50 1 0 0 
Naumanullah (NBP) 3 3 1 190 113 95.00 1 1 1

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why aren’t these ^ two lists arranged as good as first 2 in this thread? :konfused:

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Stats from ABN Amro limited over edition (One day version) which concluded on Jan 29, 2005:

Bowling:


**Name Balls Mdns Runs Wkts BB Ave 4wI 5wI SRate Econ** 
Sarfraz Ahmed (SktS) 311 6 160 14 4-30 11.42 1 0 22.21 3.08 
Imran Tahir (LhrL) 358 4 237 13 4-24 18.23 2 0 27.53 3.97 
Shehzad Butt (LhrL) 292 5 245 13 6-36 18.84 0 1 22.46 5.03 
Junaid Zia (LhrE) 222 1 214 12 5-53 17.83 1 1 18.50 5.78 
Shahid Nazir (FsdW) 244 6 126 11 5-30 11.45 0 1 22.18 3.09 
Mohammad Irshad (MltT) 216 0 151 11 4-33 13.72 1 0 19.63 4.19 
Ali Imran (SktS) 294 2 283 11 4-47 25.72 1 0 26.72 5.77 
Mazhar Ali (HydH) 240 1 167 10 5-20 16.70 0 1 24.00 4.17 
Yasir Arafat (RwpR) 258 2 222 10 3-40 22.20 0 0 25.80 5.16 
Saeed Ajmal (FsdW) 181 2 136 9 3-14 15.11 0 0 20.11 4.50 
Riaz Afridi (PsrP) 186 6 143 9 3-45 15.88 0 0 20.66 4.61 
Wasim Khan (LhrL) 336 7 270 9 4-39 30.00 1 0 37.33 4.82 
Faisal Naved (SktS) 128 1 116 8 4-8 14.50 1 0 16.00 5.43 
Rizwan Ahmed (HydH) 198 0 161 8 3-27 20.12 0 0 24.75 4.87 
Shoaib Laghari (HydH) 228 2 182 8 6-46 22.75 0 1 28.50 4.78

Batting:


**Name Matches Inns Not Out Runs HS Ave 100 50 Ct**
Faisal Athar (HydH) 5 5 1 281 98 70.25 0 3 3 
Rafatullah Mohmand (PsrP) 5 5 0 262 113 52.40 1 2 1 
Imran Farhat (LhrL) 6 6 2 241 80* 60.25 0 3 4 
Aamer Sajjad (LhrE) 5 5 1 233 78* 58.25 0 3 5 
Qaiser Abbas (SktS) 7 7 3 223 84* 55.75 0 1 2 
Shahid Yousuf (SktS) 7 7 0 223 94 31.85 0 2 1 
Misbah-ul-Haq (FsdW) 5 4 1 211 129* 70.33 1 0 4 
Ashfaq Ahmed (LhrE) 5 5 0 206 105 41.20 1 0 0 
Saeed Bin Nasir (KhiZ) 5 5 0 195 52 39.00 0 1 0 
Rizwan Ahmed (HydH) 5 4 3 194 73* 194.00 0 2 4 
Abid Ali (LhrE) 5 5 0 189 96 37.80 0 2 5 
Khurram Manzoor (KhiD) 4 4 1 186 94* 62.00 0 2 2 
Jahangir Mirza (LhrL) 7 5 2 180 86* 60.00 0 1 0 
Aqeel Anjum (HydH) 5 5 1 172 45 43.00 0 0 2 
Faisal Naved (SktS) 7 7 1 159 72* 26.50 0 2 2

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well this only prove that there is not much done the avg is :eek: question is can you actually maintain this avg season after season?

like Hasan Raza has done in Patron’s trophy seasons or Misbah-ul-Haq and many others? and yet they are not called upon for a good time to perform.

Well i dont remember who said this but its ought to be true..
if a domestic player who has an avg of 40+ always minus 5-7 from his avg, why? thanks to our domestic platform and we call know.

I hope the idea of Saeed Anwar is implemented, use of Matting wickets 2-4 matches per domestic team.

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What I'd like to see is Hasan Raza and Faisal Iqbal make it to the national team. I don't know why these two are being ignored. If you look at Pak/Aus test series in Sharjah in 2002, you'll see that they performed well. Yet, they were unceremoniously dumped after the series..

I think Raza is a very wristy player and could become Pakistan's Laxman. Now that'd be a sight! Maybe we should urge Woolmer to take a look at these two because PCB seems to have something against them.

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If your domestic system will give me bowlers like Fazl-E-Akbar and Junaid Zia, then I suggest you just abolish the system altogether. Wasim shmuck Bari likes to pick players on statistics and never attends a freakin' domestic game. No wonder we have bowlers like Khalil and Arshad in the side.

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^ exactly, sadly it is not a good reflection of talent. Most of our gems were spotted out of the blue like Wasim and Inzi were spotted in random net sessions and never even had much domestic experience. Also, a statistic just as important as averages, is age. No point in giving test debuts to 26 year old fast bowlers or 30 year old batsmen.

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I agree! Such is the sorry state of affaires and all they have is the ‘band-aid’ solutions one after the other.

game bro, Junaid Zia is the victim of ‘Papa’s boy’ in the side.
His talent is worth a watch and blossoming all the time. He’s being ‘wasted’ due to ‘Purchee’ allegations and very disrespecting remarks during his Under 19 tour of India and few matches at home against India’s under 19. (accusations at such a young age - kaunsa baap burdhasht keray ga)

(I suspect that his Dad might not favor his participation in the national team)

(I liked what Tauqeer Zia did for Pakistan cricket in all those years golden years)

If handled properly in all sincerity Junaid zia would have been what Irfan is for India. (They both started their 1st class International cricket from the same match)

Only if Junaid Zia is allowed to flourish hassle free, he has the talent and nag for good judgment. Plus he’s well educated and perhaps understand the changing techniques of the game more than any player. :smiley:

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*Too many incompetent “parchees” make even the talented “parchees” look not so credible. Quite right. *

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Question - did Shaoab, Wasim and Imran come through this same system of domestic cricket or just happened to be noticed?

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yawn

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bechara najaf shah ko chance kyu nahi dehtay?

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We desperately require bowlers in today's situation. Good comments. I saw Riaz Afridi's bowling but he chucks though, a little probably and that's why he perhaps could not make the team. His arm does not go straight in bowling and probably he uses his wrist action. Other bowlers like Muhammad Irshad and Yasir Arafat are hype and fabulous bowlers. Batting, at the moment, may be waited while we are still experimenting with several openers we have bunch of openers involving in our team and middle order amongst no spot left.