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Why is that when people quote this “SAHIH” hadees, they conveniently omit the 2/3rd of it. Holding some part of info is almost a lie. DOnt take it personally but you are into taking/making pics/videos. That very same hadees said the same thing about pictures that it says about dogs. Is that equally haraam or no according to you?
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Your question was about Dogs and I provided you the Islamic reference as per your inquiry. Open a separate thread on dance and we can talk about it there. One topic at a time or else the tangents destroy the thread. Please stay focused, the topic of this thread is dogs and not dance.
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It is perfectly ok to question the inconsistency in one’s logic by posting the entire religious recommendation. It is also acceptable to respond we all do the best we can. And do overlook certain religious recommendations. IMHO.
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Chalo lets talk about dogs.
You probably remember the hadees where prophet quoted a story of a prostitute who was pardoned and went to Jannah because she provided water to a thirsty dog. Hazrat Umar used to cry with fear that even if a dog went hungry in my kingdom. I would be questioned. If anything, the hadees should have said that the prostutute went to Jannah because she killed the dog who is a haraam janwar. Hazrat Umar could have mentioned a donkey or a sheep if dog is such a taboo animal. Quran would have talked about the cat or a cow when talking about ashaab-e-kehef. Why did quran associated a haraam animal with a group of naik people?
You talked about shephard and hunter dog. Try to search the internet and find out the value of this animal in human society today. Dogs are used to stop smuggling of drugs and arms, they rescue people, they lead blind people, they are used to investigate murders, they are even used as a therapy for people suffering from chronic depression. When you bring a fatwa to ban this animal from Muslim society, you are performing a huge disservice to the Muslim ummah.
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This does not contradict what I posted above. Being kind to animals is a good virtue let it be a dog, cat or goat you can be kind to them all but some are haram some are halal, some u can eat some you cannot some you can keep as pets and some you cannot. Personally I do not care if you keep a dog or not…but since you asked the question , I posted the hadith in wake of your inquiry.
As for the story of Ashab-e-kahaf… they were not from the ummah of the Prophet. What was permissible back then is not permissible today. For instance, wine and alcohol were halal for previous ummahs but prohibited for Muslims, so is the case with pigs and dogs. So your example of Ashab-e-kahaf does not fit well here.
P.S : You have my full permission to keep a dog but as far as Islam is concerned , it prohibits it.
Thanks and regard,
Ahmad
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Following the same logic, one can argue that wine has some health benefits too, and sex ( irrespective of whether with your wife or out of marriage) is a good stress reliever. Banning wine (Source of Anti Oxidants) , swine ( Source of Proteins), and adultery is also leading to depriving muslims from these services & benefits. Bottom Line : " We cannot change religion as per our likes or dislikes. Divinity is Divinity. Just because you like dogs and I like Dance, and Mr Z likes wine…we cannot change religion to suit our wishes and declare them permissible..
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Achca baba maan li tumhari baat. Khush?
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Good boy ! we are all humans and have personal likings or dislikings. For instance…one amongst us might like dance , one might be a drinker, one might be a adulterer and so on…but we should not be justifying these and give them Islamic coatings. If I do something anti islamic then I should have atleast the courtesy not to portray it as Islamic.
Example : My Dancing is not part of Islam infact it goes against the teachings of Islam
: Mr. X drinking is not part of Islam, infact it is prohibited in Islam
: Mr. Y is a dog lover and keeps a dog in house but keep it in mind that keeping dogs is not part of islam and infact disliked by the Prophet and there is a hadith for it…
the list goes on…
but I am glad that you have understood the gist of the argument. You have been baptized and all clear to go to the heaven. Congratulations!
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So, that means keeping a dog is equivalent of keeping pictures of living things? I didnt know that. So our house (just like so many other Pakistani muslim houses) is full of framed family portraits, family members pictures, miniatures of horses, elephants, eagles, rabbits, fishes and what not decoration pieces, fairies, dolls, human eyes and so many other living things made up of crystals for house decor. My SIL brought a female statue made up of white marble and a silver grey seductive statue of half-bodies of a male and female hugging eachother & proudly put it for decor in the living room. Nobody raised an eye rather admired the ‘artistic’ inclination of the SIL. After sometime, (despite a love marriage and a very passionately loving relationship), my bro and SIL started having unsolvable marital problems that they eventually divorced. Meaning those statues attracted evil energies of shayateens in their house and the angels left. Shayateens successfully caused end to their marriage too. But I know even if I tell them this now, they will laugh at me for believing in the ‘fantasy’ world of shayateens. Like how my mom thought I had gone crazy when I removed the wall clock from my room because it had head / body of some living creature on the top.
I think there are angels and there are shayateens in our house. Because we also have alot of Quranic verses and Allah’s names and other usual Islamic decor pieces and they all are mostly in the living room and we had a ‘very sensitive’ family relative who once visited our house and said that part of the house was brighter than the rest. He said there were angels around that part of the house.
So muslims should not ignore the part of the hadees which is a cultural norm in Pakistani muslim households and only remember the remaining part of the hadees about the dog to be “good muslims”.
Conclusion: "Muslim houses must decorate their houses with words of Quran, Allah, Islamic calligraphy, etc. which would attract angels to receive blessings (but ensure to keep their houses super clean too to welcome the angels) and throw out all the nasty things like statues and not attract shayateens to their houses.
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I have a learned fear of dogs from my mom. Watched her get scared when a dog was near, and so I learned to fear them too. For some reason my sister gets along REALLY well with dogs, they love her.
I know there are these hadith’s but makes no sense that we should not be good to dogs and to animals in general.
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^I am the same; I have cynophobia. If it’s genetic, then I get it from my mom. My siblings and dad don’t have this problem.
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Even if one were to make a painting or portrait of a human or animal, just for decoration or for an artistic statement, why is this not permitted? I figured it is only in reference to people who create pictures of animals/humans FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE OF WORSHIP, that this is a problem.
But how many artists and craftsman in Pakistan make small figurines from brass/metal/marble/etc? They just do it for decoration and art, not for the purpose of actual worship. I doubt they’re all going to hell. 
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^^ It does not necessarily have to be for worship. Nobody worships their dogs. Shayateens among the jinns have magnetic attraction to such objects. And they surround those houses hence the angels leave. But off-course people who believe in ‘science’ more than the word of God and the last prophet PBUH would reject this as another ‘fantasy belief’.
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Exactly, so people who dont keep a dog for fear that the angels wont come to their house, they should also get rid of all the family pictures and paintings and miniatures of other living things for house decor. Because those items also attract shayateens as magnetic force. So this hadees must be followed fully if we really are muslims.
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So, as per this, those pictures, sketches, statues, sculpture, made by humans with their own hands is what this hadees is referring to. But the photography does not come under that category because we are only ‘clicking’ the people who were created by Allah.
It makes sense. But God knows the best.
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I am very fortunate that I don’t have any miniatures of cats, dogs , animals or portrait and do not have a dog. I am responsible for myself only. What you do in your house is your business and as fellow muslim I can only advise others and this is vice versa. We try…and do our best. The rest is between Allah and us. We will be judged for our deeds individually.
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A lot of things make no sense in religions. For instance , why should we not eat pig? why are we allowed to eat Zabiha only? why starve yourself in the month of Ramadan. If we start using our own brains on the issue of permissibility of things..starting from dogs and ending up on swines..then the fear is that we would become a rejectionist!
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Life is a test - an examination. A good example would be ( Just for the sake of Clarity), you have a test paper of 10 questions ( choose the correct answer type). You score correct on 7 and incorrect on the three…and some other guy scores 8/10 and then some score poorly and get 2/10. On the same lines…lets go back to the issue of** dogs **,paintings and **miniatures **of animals.
If I don’t have either one of these in my house then wow ! I scored 3/3
If you have painting and miniatures and do not have a pet dog then you score ( 2/3)
If you have all of the prohibited items then you score 0/3
what could be more simpler than that?