Does this happens in your firm too?

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I dont know if thats the right place to post this thread.

I am only talking about whats happening in my firm (American) atm. others can share their experiences.

We have these Indians ruling in every dept. Ruling in number i mean. The head of dept is most of the time Gora, or in some cases local arab, the 2nd guy in top management is again Gora and then there is long line of indians and then philippinos. Pakistanis are very few… very very few. In each dept, hardly one may be.

Our firm is still hiring for some posts and all i see is indians coming in and being hired. There is this indian guy in recruitment section whose boss is gora, but this guy sorts out the CVs and forward them to respective managers n team for interviewing and finalizing for the positions. This india guy always have indians CVs handy :mad: Anytime i heard interviews going on, i come to know the guy is from Dehli, from Bombay, from Hyder Abad etc… I am not against hiring indians but i see they do not check out others, specially pakistanis. Coz I myself had experienced it. Either the CVs i give are so very highly qualified that firm cannot pay them the salary they may demand OR coz this indian guy is such pro-india that he only shows CVs of indians. isnt it very unfair?

There is one christian indian lady in Finance dept. Once they were looking for 2 accounts assistants. Co-incidence, I met this pakistani young boy, a month back, who was sales representative from a bank and came to see me for credit card sales purpose. while talking to him, he told me he was looking for job in finance and i should let him know of any vacancy in our firm. i told him we dont have any open posts currently but he can drop his resume and we will look into it for future posts. He e-mailed me his resume. Now this guy is no one to me, i really hardly get impressed by anyone. this guy had the potential and it could be sensed from the way he was talking , the way he was leading the convo, his confidence, his english and all. he was fresh graduate, very young and would have agreed on any salary. he hated his sales job and wanted to work in his field i.e. finance.

so when these two positions opened, I gave that guy’s CV to finance director, told him that at least call this guy for interview and check him out. The guy needs a job and he can be a good addition to dept. 2-3 days passed and i came to know they had hired two indian christian gals. selection was made by that other indian christian lady (churail) who conducted all the interviews. she didnt even speak to the guy i recommended. These two new ladies are no where better than this guy. I can bet that that guy would have worked 100 times better job then these two together. If u see them, you will think if they will be able to answer what is 2+2.

lately for another open position in finance, they hired that indian recruitment guy’s wife. she doesnt have any experience :smack: but she is there… :mad:

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FairyTale, I think these experiences are more common in places where there is lack of govrnance and transparency. Unfortunately, in the Emirates, the labor laws are pretty much non existent - I know this because I've been through multiple HR consulting engagements there... from what I've seen, the HR depts in most private firms have a free hand in how and what they do in terms of their staffing processes.

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^ yes thats the same case here too. HR is the king. They do whatever they want. But its an American firm and HR lousy Manager is an American too. Actually head of every dept is a gora. Why they cannot see whats happening under them? actually i feel they prefer indians coz 1st they are so many in numbers and 2ndly due to 1st company finds easily someone who will agree to work on lower salary. wherease we pakistanis are very less in number and we like to argue on the salary.

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This is how it is every where in the middle east...no surprise here for me...it is what ever nationality the the person in charge of the CVs...that is what you will get most of the time...or unless you have a contact going over his head..then you can get who you want to work in that company.

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If this is this only experience you have had with indians' 'ghunda gardi' in the gulf job market then you're still in diaper in terms of your knowledge of indians' control & authority over gulf. And this case which you have stated is not even 1% severe in the way indians control the recruiting process against non-indians. So, I would classify your experience with seeing a garbage/filth filled truck with filth from a distance of 10 meters.

There are several unregistered shady 'recruitment agencies' actively working in UAE for the recruitment of legal or illegal indians on different posts in well known local or private firms. There are spread across UAE with offices in residential or other buildings but there are no boards outsides these offices because these are supposed to be residential plazas so no one knows what's going on inside the apartments. But since UAE intelligence is so busy robbing Pakistani households upon indian manipulation, they do not even have a clue about these unregistered indian companies.

Apart from these unlicensed, unregistered 'recruitment agencies' run by indians, indians also have a very very strong network in order to make sure every indian they come across is employed somewhere through mutual contacts between indians. Indian teachers / professors in different colleges & universities safely make & keep a list of all the indian students & as soon as they graduate, these teachers / professors place these student on good positions in different multinational, local & private companies. I have seen some non-indian people trying to get support from this strong indian network but guess what, despite the fact that these non-indians were much more talented, educated & better suitable for those jobs, their resumes were not even accepted to be forwarded.

Apart from that, I am witnessed to seeing (during the 90s) indian receptionists, front office staff in places like Arthur Andersen & the UAE offices of other international companies tearing up the CVs of non-indian staff & throw them in the trash box as soon as a 'hopeful' but non-indian candidates walked out of the office after submitting their CVs to them. They only like to keep & forward indian CVs because incase the senior recruiters are non-indian, they do not want them to have a choice. Incase the senior recrtuiter is indian himself, that is not much hassle as he would naturally ignore all the othe rnon-indian CVs.

Apart from that, I have seen many unregistered indian companies belonging to different fields such as advertising, interior desiging & many other. They are running their businesses in UAE earning millions of dhs but legally they have no status. There are some indian companies who are running 3/4 various different businesses under one license. 99% of theeir staff are indian nationals.

Oh there is so muc more that even a book on indian 'ghunda gardi' in the gulf job market wont be enough. They make sure they never let a 'non-indian' in & if there is any non-indian national working in such a place surrounded by indians, he is forced to pack his bags & leave due to the way indians turn the work environment & circumstances against him or he is fired by the mamagement due to highly-skilled brainwashing of the senior management of the company by indians against him. The non-indian could be an american, canadian, european, local or expat arab, pakistani, srilankan, bangladeshi, philipino, african or any non-indian nationality one can find on earth. They do not like to have a non-indian chaprasi. Actually, I am also witnessed to seeing some indians working on 'chaprasi' level being suddenly appointed to head departments of well-known local banks & their related institutions. No BS. And then these chaprasi level indians, as the head of their departments, enrolled more & more indians under them until the department started to look similar to a labour camp of UAE with 50 indians sitting in one small room. And they also easily get the illegal status of those indians changed to 'government sponsored' residence / employment visas.

At the same time, I must admit that although small in number, the 'somalis' in the UAE are engaged in similar practices as indians though at a smaller & limited scale.

But the above few incidents are from UAE alone. I know of some cases where this strong network of indians which is actively engaged in getting all the indians in their country employed overseas, got hold of very well settled Pakistanis in the west & seek their help in employing fellow 'desis'. As we all know that for indians, Pakistanis become 'desis' when they need fevors from Pakistanis. Then we are no more 'the terrorist Pakistanis'. For cases like these, indians have invented a term called 'desis'. So, they approach well settled Pakistanis in the western countries with this desi sh!t tactic. Obviously, the poor, naiive, good natured Pakistanis, due to their natural humility, feel flattered & most incined to help a fellow 'desi'.

One such case I know of where this indian network of recruiters successfully got several 'desis' employed in Canada through the help of one such humble Pakistani..... er.... 'desi'...... After sometime, they pressed him to get into some kind of contract with them to employ indians in canada. Upon knowing the details of that 'contract', he found out that upon signing, he would be obliged to sponsor & put in employment these indians illegally. I do not know the exact details of how that contract but luckily, unlike other stupid & naiive Pakistanis living in the west who blindly agree to do anything to 'help' indians.... er.... desis, he made an effort to read all the elements of that contract & there......................... He told them off declining to take part in any such illegal activity. He loves canada as the country has given him so much how could he agree to become a part of any such activities which go against the government rules just because some indians...... er.... 'desis' are pressurizing him for being a 'fellow desi'? But I can only wish & pray that all the overseas Pakistanis drop their stupidity & naivety now that the entire Pakistani nation has sufferred so much at the hands of these 'fellow desi' hypocrites. They change their masks whenever suits them. The same 'fellow desis' become 'terrorists' whenever that is required & suits indian agenda. Pakistanis around the globe need to recognize these hypocrites who are no-one's friends in reality.

What you have experienced is not even a drop in the arabian sea.

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Some generalisations, and these are our own 'faults' and not Indian 'chalaki'.

  1. Pakistanis are generally considered to be less 'hard-working' than Indians. Our actions support that view.

  2. Pakistanis pull each others down.

  3. We do not encourage and help other Pakistanis in need.

It is no 'ghunda gardi' if Indians help each other while our brothers and sisters make every effort to destroy the 'paki' image as much as they can.

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oh dont even mention 'hardwork'. If I shared the stories about indians' 'hardwork' in the offices, all the talibs would want to stone me to death (because they are in love with indians).

Although, I totally agree with the part about disunity between Pakistanis & the fact that they are their nation's own worst enemies but how can indian nationals' actions in the job market not be considered as 'gunda gardi'? What I have stated above are only the highlights. I have seen much more of that gunda gardi. Only those who have been through it know & can tell, no one else.

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I agree

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And I completely agree with LucidC as well … I have worked for multinational firms in Dubai and no way are they the same standard as their offices in the west. The reason is as simple as this :

In the west , we have strict laws against discrimination and anyone dare go against them , the entire firm gets sued for thousands of pounds … so the process is fair and very transparent. But In the gulf countries , HR poilicies are based on the culture of the country and unsaid rules , coz there arent any laws that will protect talent.

I have worked for the regions largest Recruitment firm and guess what , every client , judges a candidate first on their nationality and then on their experience ! Its becoming more and more of a vice :no:

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^^ True CB. Our people would not need to suffer that 3rd class status as ‘expatriates’ in these arboob lands only if our corrupt leaders understood the psychological, emotional, mental torture Pakistanis go through due to the not only the lawlessness of those lands but also the 3rd class status they are made to sufer. If these leaders felt the same mental torture that Pakistanis abroad specifically on arablands go through, they would make these Pakistanis’ own home (Pakistan) a better, safe, secure & a desireable place to live.

But since our ruling leaders do not even carry a heart to feel pain of other humans, they have never tried to make conditions at home good enough which would provide a secure environment for the Pakistani people and their children. So, these Pakistanis are just like a ‘homeless community’. How cruel can one can be??? These rulers have a huge responsiblity on their shoulders to make sure they provide a safe, secure & happy home to its’ habitants. Many Pakistanis are living in these lawless arboob lands because they do not have a choice. They suffer so much injustice, ill treatment & a miserable jungle rule. But do these leaders realise their responsibility??? Nooooooooooooooo… am I not right when I say Pakistani nation has sufferred the most. Not only from the enemy but also from the authorities of their own country who do not want to know the problem of this country’s children. They let them suffer & die inside or outside the home. Why would they need to leave home if the home itself was safe & secure enough?

I dont even know enough curse words to describe the cruelty of Pakistan’s ruling elite towards the children of this country:

kakabilli, I have something important to state. As per my own observation, the only reason there is disunity among the Pakistani people inside & outside Pakistan is because of lack of communication or no communication between them. Not neccessarily because Pakistanis are bad people. All of the cases which I know of where a Pakistani kicked another Paki out of a workplace or made things impossible for him to survive are clear examples of lack of or no communication between them. In those circumstances, when Pakistanis working abroad who are already very very few in number as compared with indians, do not have good understanding of eachother due to lack of or no communication, it is most easy for anyone to exploit the two against one another. And in a place where there are 2 or 3 pakistanis & all indians, how difficult would it be for indians to exploit two, otherwise good humans, pakistanis against one another? The indians’ excellent exploitation, manipulation & brainwashing skills, there has not been a single case which I am aware of where it did not work. It perfectly works.

So, the need is to not only promote thorough & quality communication channels between all the Pakistani communities. Not only those living inside Pakistan but also abroad. That is what the major problem of Pakistan & Pakistanis is.

I recall burqa asking sometime back in PA this question. That the problem faced by Pakistan as a government is the problem which is faced by majority of Pakistani households. That is so true because if we look at how much Pakistani parents encourage an open & quality communication between their children & them, we wont be very impressed.

It is very important to promote & encourage good communication between all the Pakistani communities based inside or out of Pakistan. Which in turn would develop better understanding & bring & develop unity & a strong bond. hence then Pakistanis as a community or as an individual would be least likely to be gullible to any kind of exploitation by anyone.

I know people do not realise the importance of communication but this is a major issue Pakistani people & Pakistan are sufferring from.

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About my statement below in bold, I think it is important to make it clear (incase there are any confusions to the fools) that corruption, racism & discrimination by somalis of other nationalities is 'limited' in the sense that:

  1. They are very few. Maybe 10-15 in a company of 300.

  2. Just like indians, there only 'hardwork' is the 'gossip' about other staff in their cabins during office work hours.

  3. Stealing office stationary for their families while junior office staff have no option to bring their own stationary to use at work.

  4. Even very very few in number but a strong network so even if they have to lie to save another somali's @$$, they feel no shame to do so.

  5. And involvement in other usual office politics & unethical behaviours in the job market.

But still I think their behaviour is 'learned' from environment. It is not by genetics like in the case of indians. indians have broken all the records of corruption & open ghunda gardi in the job market

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CB but being this an arab country, where arabs are occupying all posts in govt. firms, the indians are all over the pvt sector. why are they given preference? you think arab prefer them? no they dont. Mine is pure american firm and as i said all the HODs are goray, still these indians are coming n joining like anything. :frowning:

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I would add my 2 cents, during my early daysi, i was auditing one large semi-govt. firm and i find it out that the firm has a policy to feed all the CVs in a database, ofcourse, the typist was an Indian, so he use to put wrong contact information about the non-Indian staff... wrong telephone, wrong email and then discard the CV...

I know person who got selected as chief engineer over an Indian and was called on to sign a contract agreement on a date, but later he was called and told that the contract is not ready and he should come after 2/3 days.. little did he knew at that time.. there was a letter from HIM saying that he is no longer interested in the job.. so the HR dept signed in the runner-up ofcourse an Indian... ( all the related persons were fired later)

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oh wow. cant believe this :eek:

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This is actually happening everywhere.

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It is funny how some people come here and talk about how Indians 'rig up' the HR process to hire more Indians! why can't you be open to more likely reasons, namely:

1) there are several times more Indians than Pakistanis in the candidate pool
2) many companies go to India for campus recruitment - how many come to Pakistan, given security perceptions?
3) because of the off-shoring experiences, westerners have learnt to deal/work with Indians - familiarity

Finally, I am not sure if a majority of westerners can even tell the difference between Indians & Pakistanis.

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It seems we both are working in the same company ...

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Not denying any of your statement but SriSri indian do manipulate. if there is an indian guy in recruitment, without a doubt, expect only indians being interviewd and hired. the best funny part is, majority (if not all) new hires will be from his caste/province lol. i have heard many indians saying that look so and so is Mahrashtran (sorry if i said it wrong) so he is bringing in all Mahrashtrans. Or if he is Indian Christian, then he is hiring all Christians from india. :omg:

on other hand if there is a Pakistani on the same seat, then forget that he will do any favor to you. such Khotay they are :emmy:

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^FT,I am sure there are Keralites in plenty in your company. :hehe:

@FairyTale:

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bahahaha.. i really miss his comedy.

indian genetics has corruption encrypted in it.. bahahahahaha