Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

[TT]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

@Monk

Good question. Not many people read the book. But ever one want to give life opposing it or DEFENDING it.
I have not read it. But I know what he said against muslims.
I know he called black people some thing like sh#$ eaters, book is banned in south africa.
I know he called white women only good for F@#$#ing. stuff like that.

I can not read fiction so I could not read it.

Lets assume some thing. suppose we become unlike south asia or middle east. And become very tolerant. Suppose money come in(geo style). And job is to pick on basics of islam.

I have read articles of well known Christian scholars proving Quran is from devil.

You think we should let people run wild with such ideas ? when our own academia is in hibernation ?

Many of the middle eastern countries don’t have blasphemy laws like Pakistan and are quiet tolerant compared to Pakistan. We need government spending on education for academia not blasphemy laws. Still not understanding how you are justifying it. If you believe that Muslims should be censored from any opinion of Islam that you find to be offensive out of fear that they might stop believing in it than you have a very weak faith in Islam.

[TT]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

@Monk

Good question. Not many people read the book. But ever one want to give life opposing it or DEFENDING it.
I have not read it. But I know what he said against muslims.
I know he called black people some thing like sh#$ eaters, book is banned in south africa.
I know he called white women only good for F@#$#ing. stuff like that.

**I can not read fiction so I could not read it. **

Exactly. Then why continue to give a work of fiction so much significance?

[Monk]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

@TT

Exactly. Then why continue to give a work of fiction so much significance?

I don’t, I just consider him dishonest, some one like irshad manji.

@TT

Many of the middle eastern countries don’t have blasphemy laws like Pakistan and are quiet tolerant compared to Pakistan. We need government spending on education for academia not blasphemy laws. Still not understanding how you are justifying it. If you believe that Muslims should be censored from any opinion of Islam that you find to be offensive out of fear that they might stop believing in it than you have a very weak faith in Islam.

Islamic faith needs work. Quran ask over and over and over… to reflect …think…

Why you want my people to wake up and think…they dont like it.

[Zafra]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

@bella88

how many of those countries have death penalty for blasphemy? when was the last time someone was killed in australia for blasphemy?
I think blasphemy laws are outrageous, and whether pakistan has it or Finland. (hate speech against people based on their religion however is different, and I do NOT support that. many of these countries consider that under blasphemy as well).

Implementation is not the same as legal precedence. As in the case of germany you can get three years in prison for insulting the church.

Again ignorance at its best.

[TT]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

@Monk

Why you want my people to wake up and think…they dont like it.

Because your people want to kill anyone who utters mere words that they find to be offensive about their religion. Are you forgetting the case of the mentally challenged Christian girl? That’s blasphemy laws in action in Pakistan.

[Monk]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

[Shamraz_Khan]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

Al Mighty does not need blasphemy laws, but his self appointed spokespeople do (many on this thread included). Meanwhile, there are real victims of this cruel and barbaric law where mere accusation can get you killed, eg., this young & bright professor.

The murder of reason - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

Junaid Hafeez: scholar, teacher, prisoner

[blackforest_360]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

God doesn’t need blasphemy laws, sensitive people do.

[TT]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

argh I just read the thread about the geo blasphemy case in the showbiz section. Pakistanis seem to be dunya kay anokhay musalman. Death threats over dancing to a qawali song really? More proof that the blasphemy laws need to be scraped. Pakistanis need to stop advocating for murder of people in the name of religion.

[TLK]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

From Wiki

[out of 1274 people charged so far] No judicial execution for blasphemy has ever occurred in Pakistan, but 20 of those charged were murdered.

The vigilantism should end in Pakistan. There should be strict laws against that. Another measure is strct gun control, and anti gun laws. Where the heck these people are getting weapons from? Why dont we have laws against that?

Source http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/pakistan

The estimated total number of guns (both licit and illicit) held by civilians in Pakistan is 18,000,000

In a comparison of the number of privately owned guns in 178 countries, Pakistan ranked at No. 6

The number of licensed gun owners in Pakistan is reported to be 7,000,000

[KKF]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

@TLK

From Wiki

The vigilantism should end in Pakistan. There should be strict laws against that. Another measure is strct gun control, and anti gun laws. Where the heck these people are getting weapons from? Why dont we have laws against that?

as far as i know, AfGhan Refugees in the 80’s [after Russian invasion of AfGhanistan] brought this gun and drug culture. this is still on going plus the supply from the Balochistan.

[Theorist]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

If I were in Pakistan, I would be wajibulqatl. Law or no law!

my point is the law serves no purpose at all. If anything, it encourages and validates the anger and frustration people feel when their beliefs are questioned. You know what the saddest part is? People feel less insulted when you speak ill of God as if my God is different than yours even though there is only one God. At least that is what the belief is. They will be at your throat the moment you speak ill of the prophets and messengers. This makes me think monotheism has really accomplished nothing, those worshipping idols now worship human beings.

[nnabid]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

Just to make something crystal clear: God doesn’t NEED blasphemy laws, or anything else for that matter, from humans. Being Self-Sufficient, He needs nothing from us. Often people ask why does Allah need Muslims to pray to Him 5 times a day: when the simple answer is, He doesn’t. WE need HIM. So those who are attributing any form of weakness to God, I would vehemently contest to that and make clear that the blasphemy laws are a separate issue to the self-sufficient-ness of Allah.

As to the second issue: the blasphemy laws. I completely disagree with them. They are created by the Bourgeoisie to marginalise the minority, and discriminate anyone who seems to be going against the grain.

[bella88]

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@Zafra

Implementation is not the same as legal precedence. As in the case of germany you can get three years in prison for insulting the church.

Again ignorance at its best.

Germany also has punishment for holocaust denial so clearly they have limitation to freedom of speech.
And its strange that Denmark has blasphemy law yet Danish newspapers printed Mohammad cartoons few years back and so did many other european newspaper. blasphemy is punishable if it includes disturbance of peace, not simple criticism of Church. Also strange that supposedly that they give asylum to plenty of muslim apostates who got death penalty in their countries for criticizes islam. so either their blasphemy laws mean something else, or they dont follow.

[bella88]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

@Theorist

If I were in Pakistan, I would be wajibulqatl. Law or no law!
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So would I. Murtid/apostate are wajibul qatl as per many scholars

[Zafra]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

@bella88

Germany also has punishment for holocaust denial so clearly they have limitation to freedom of speech.
And its strange that Denmark has blasphemy law yet Danish newspapers printed Mohammad cartoons few years back and so did many other european newspaper. blasphemy is punishable if it includes disturbance of peace, not simple criticism of Church. Also strange that supposedly that they give asylum to plenty of muslim apostates who got death penalty in their countries for criticizes islam. so either their blasphemy laws mean something else, or they dont follow.

Or they are hypocrites. But that was not the question.

I am asking do you apply equal blame for the blasphemy laws on all countries that have them? Or do you make exception to vilify Muslims only?

[bella88]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

@Zafra

Or they are hypocrites. But that was not the question.

I am asking do you apply equal blame for the blasphemy laws on all countries that have them? Or do you make exception to vilify Muslims only?

I dont support blasphemy law in any country, unless it includes hate speech against a group of people following a particular religion. and its strange that despite of having blasphemy laws, plently of anti-christian books are published in those countries and no one has gotten death penalty.

[Zafra]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

And nobody has been killed by the death penalty either in Pakistan.

[bella88]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

@Zafra

And nobody has been killed by the death penalty either in Pakistan.

In Pakistan, 17 people are on death row for blasphemy.
Living in fear under Pakistan’s blasphemy law - Features - Al Jazeera English

Christian man from Lahore gets death penalty

Sawan Masih: Pakistani Christian gets death penalty for blasphemy

yes more people have been killed outside of court, but please explain why you seem to be in such favor of this law? what purpose does it serve?

[Zafra]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

Please don’t pull a Bush. I didn’t say I was in favor of the law. My entire point was that do you establish a consistent practice with your snide judgement when it applies to Western Liberal democracies when they have the same laws in play.

By and large you dislike the law, but you do make excuses for the European versions.