I have read in some very serious Islamic sources that "women have “faulty Intellect” (are Naqis-ul-Aqal). Is it really included in Muslim’s Beliefs..???
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Does that make women inferior? No!
In Islam the size of ones brain is not an indicator of superiority or inferiority.
God created men and women with separate roles, he granted them qualities, which are more suited to their respective roles, e.g. women are granted a more emotional, loving, warm, sweet, caring, understanding nature in keeping with their main role of motherhood, same way He granted men more ‘intelligence’ than women because their main role is being guardians and overseers of their families, breadwinners and financial transactions are shouldered to men.
**Science has proven that males usually have larger brains than females. A male brain is on average 1/10 larger than a female brain.
Researchers have found that men can read maps better than women and have a better awareness of their surroundings men have better visuospatial skills.**
Our mother Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) was one of the greatest scholars in Islam’s history; Muslims went to her to seek knowledge. Today the books of Bukhari and Muslim contain thousands of sayings and actions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), which she has narrated. Those narrations have been followed by millions of Muslims worldwide right from her days upto now.
In my opinion women like her are superior to men in the sense that even though they have smaller brains they made good use of them whereas most men would leave their brains lying around useless in their heads.
It is the prerogative of Allah to grant intellect to whoever He wishes and a paradise underneath the feet to whoever He wishes, no one can question Him neither can we with our feeble intelligence say that (God forbid) it was illogical of Him to do so.
Does it mean I’m inferior to women because Allah has given my future wife more rights over the kids we might have? Or that paradise lies underneath the feet of the mother instead of the father? Everyone has different qualities and shortcomings. That does not mean either is inferior. We are all ‘inferior’ in some form or the other.
You have misinterpreted this to imply that women are un-intelligent and stupid. This is the result of the corrupt basis from which you are viewing the issue. You have presumed ‘less brain’ to mean degradation.
Solomon (peace be upon him) was given the control over the Jinn world but Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) the Crown of all creation didn’t control them, does that make him inferior? No.
You are brainwashed to think with a western mindset. Your values and principles lay in the disbelievers way of life, hence your apologetic attitude regarding many of the teachings of Islam. Actually this is the issue with a lot of us western Muslims who absorb western values and we automatically thought they are right and good for us no matter how unrealistic and unsuitable they maybe.
PS. Be very careful when translating Arabic words, a word can be perfectly harmless in Arabic but when it’s translated into English it can sound derogatory. English doesn’t always have the correct equivalent.
May Allah’s peace and blessings be upon Muhammad, Ahl-ul-Bait and the Sahaabah.
I dont remember the Exact wordking now.. May Allah Fogive me For Quoting Wrong words...
I am not quoting the wordings.. BUT U can Confirm it..
Its Written Somewhere in Nehj-ul-Balagha ( Khutbaat by Hazrat Ali A.S )
ITs written there...
Women are Naaqisul Aqal, Naaqisul Amal and Naaqisul Ibaadat. And.. THere are the explainations for this.
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You have misinterpreted this to imply that women are un-intelligent and stupid. This is the result of the corrupt basis from which you are viewing the issue. You have presumed 'less brain' to mean degradation.
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Indeed he will never understand.. rather come here and try to bring the points that he thinks are weak in islam and make an issue out of it.. but i think you have explained all the aspects of what his question was. If his intentions were to learn more about islam nothing wrong, but apparently all his threads are always critizing and find one way or the other to down grade the religion islaam.
May Allah s.w.t Give you great reward for clearing up sensitive issues like this to these non-muslims
-Salman
Mr. Dhulfiqar:
"Does that make women inferior? No!"
So you confirm that women have "faulty intellect" and still you insist that they are not inferior. When you say that "women" have "faulty intellect", you naturally mean that their intellect is "faulty" as compared to that of men. I know you do not think that men have "absolute intellect". You believe in "absolute intellect" to be present only in your God. So if you specifically say that "women" have "faulty intellect" it means you are comparing their intellect with the intellect of men.
What makes humen superior to all other (known) life forms? Surely, it is the "intellect" of humen being that makes them superior to all other animal kingdom present in this world.
So the Islam actually differentiate men and women on the basis of quality of their intellect. Human being is superior to all other animals due to their better intellect. And men are superior to women due to their better intellect. These are not my personal views. It is the logical conclusion of such beliefs.
"In Islam the size of ones brain is not an indicator of superiority or inferiority."
I did not mentione any of my concerns over the brain size. I only asked about "intellect".
But here I want to point out a contradiction within your post. Here you say that In Islam, one's brain size is not an indicator of superiority or inferiority. Whereas, in the second next para to this, you say that "Science has proven that males usually have larger brains than females. A male brain is on average 1/10 larger than a female brain." On the basis of this proven fact of science you coclude that Islam is right in saying that women have "faulty intellect" as compared to men.In fact in this second next para you think that according to science brain size "is the indicator" of superiority or inferiority. In your this present para, you think that according to Islam, brain size "is not the indicator" os superiority or inferiority. This is not only the contradiction in your own post but a contradiction between science and Islam as well (according to your own understanding offcourse).
"God created men and women with separate roles, he granted them qualities, which are more suited to their respective roles, e.g. women are granted a more emotional, loving, warm, sweet, caring, understanding nature in keeping with their main role of motherhood, same way He granted men more ‘intelligence’ than women because their main role is being guardians and overseers of their families, breadwinners and financial transactions are shouldered to men."
So Islam also assign definate roles of men and women. Women's role is easily comparable to any other "female mammel animal" whereas men's role is that of "Human Being". Ok.....
**"Science has proven that males usually have larger brains than females. A male brain is on average 1/10 larger than a female brain.
Researchers have found that men can read maps better than women and have a better awareness of their surroundings men have better visuospatial skills."**
I already have pointed out a contradiction in your this first para. Here I want to give further comments. Males not only usually have larger brain size but usually they also are more taller and overall more haviour than females. In a particular species, It dose not mean any difference in the "intellect" of male and female members of this species.
For the research results you mentioned in your this second para. I think researchers must be the muslims.
"Men can read maps better than women." What is the objective evidence...?? You only can prove that particular man can read maps better than a particular woman. You also can prove that particular class of men can read maps better than particular class of women. But I also can prove that particular woman can read maps better than a particular man. I also can prove that particular class of women can read maps better than particular class of men. What is the end result...?? These are only subjective things. These are not the objective evidence. Same is the case with your other research results.
"Our mother Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) was one of the greatest scholars in Islam’s history; Muslims went to her to seek knowledge. Today the books of Bukhari and Muslim contain thousands of sayings and actions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), which she has narrated. Those narrations have been followed by millions of Muslims worldwide right from her days upto now."
Why are you telling this to me. I am already preaching this. You yourself should consider it with more emphesis.
"It is the prerogative of Allah to grant intellect to whoever He wishes and a paradise underneath the feet to whoever He wishes, no one can question Him neither can we with our feeble intelligence say that (God forbid) it was illogical of Him to do so."
So the God has given more intellect to men and paradise "underneath the feet" to women.
"Does it mean I’m inferior to women because Allah has given my future wife more rights over the kids we might have? Or that paradise lies underneath the feet of the mother instead of the father? Everyone has different qualities and shortcomings. That does not mean either is inferior. We are all ‘inferior’ in some form or the other."
And you have this shortcoming that your expected kids could not be able to find paradise underneath your feet and it is the exclusive right of your future wife. But to have better intellect than to your (future) wife's is your exclusive advantage. Both of you would have one advantage and one shortcoming. So none of you is superior to other. The only thing that I can conclude is that you are still unmarried.
"You have misinterpreted this to imply that women are un-intelligent and stupid. This is the result of the corrupt basis from which you are viewing the issue. You have presumed 'less brain' to mean degradation."
This is not my personal interpretation but it is the logical result of your such belief. I did not talk of "less brain". However, "less intellect" autometically results in degradation which is also evident in even the present day Pakistani Society. I was watching a programme in Geo Tv in which the great man Mr. Abdul Sattar Edhi mentioned his experiences. In this programmem, he told that people use to get altrasonic tests before (illegal) child births. If they found that expected child is girl, they usully destroy this child usually in 5th month of pragnancy. More than 98% cases of illegal child killing are true for only girls according to him. He further stated that we are still living in that period which we usully refer to as "Dor-e-Jahallat".
You are brainwashed to think with a western mindset. Your values and principles lay in the disbelievers way of life, hence your apologetic attitude regarding many of the teachings of Islam. Actually this is the issue with a lot of us western Muslims who absorb western values and we automatically thought they are right and good for us no matter how unrealistic and unsuitable they maybe.
"Brain wash" is a relative concept. It is not absolute. Even you can be said to be "brain washed" by your muslim parents. I do not think values I prefer are specific only to western mindset. Rational and disbeliever thinking style were introduced by the great Muslim Scholars in 10th to 12th century period before the west. Ibn-e-Rushd is the greatest example. Before that, west had more rigid, irrational and orthodox mindset than to present day muslims.
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Indeed he will never understand.. rather come here and try to bring the points that he thinks are weak in islam and make an issue out of it.. but i think you have explained all the aspects of what his question was. If his intentions were to learn more about islam nothing wrong, but apparently all his threads are always critizing and find one way or the other to down grade the religion islaam.
May Allah s.w.t Give you great reward for clearing up sensitive issues like this to these non-muslims
-Salman
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Whenever someone discusses something you dont like, you call is blasphemy...
Btw, even if a woman's mind is 1/10th that of mind of a man, do you really have to brag about it all the time and say they are equal to dogs?
btw, nothing is weak in Islam, its just that you guys make it seem weak. Let him make all the threads he wants, I am sure there will be logical answers to his questions. No need to panic, Islam is in no danger from these little threads.
Well said Spock - couldn’t agree more :k:
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Btw, even if a woman's mind is 1/10th that of mind of a man, do you really have to brag about it all the time and say they are equal to dogs?...
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Just FYI, he said men's brain is 10% larger than women's, does not mean women's brain is 1/10th (which would be 10%) of men's.
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Changez bhai, you are the official mathematician of GS, thanks for clarifying that.
Dhulfiqar, well said.
basic_force, I think you have not really grasped what Dhulfiqar wanted to convey in his reply. Its not about being equal or unequal. It is just a matter of being different.
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basic_force, I think you have not really grasped what Dhulfiqar wanted to convey in his reply. Its not about being equal or unequal. It is just a matter of being different.
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It is the matter of being equal or unequal. It is not the matter of just being different. The word used in your religious texts is "Naqis" meaning "faulty". If it would be a matter of just being different then the wording like "Naqis" would not have been used.
Religious people often have to be dishonest. Consider the word "Naqis" honestly and then say that it is not the matter of being equal or unequal.
Well, since this topic is being discussed here, Ihope you won’t mind me adding a question in your thread.
I also often hera what you said, as well as the remark that 'women were made out of the rib of man, a rib is not straight but bowed, therefor the character of a woman is also not straight??? ![]()
Where does that come from and does it make sense, or is the woman only made out of the rib of man, and it’s nothing more adn has nothing to do with her character or faults, whatever, at all?
^^ it's a biblical concept.. some people credit translators for this 'error' .. where God may have meant "side" and it was understood as "rib".
I see, thanks for the clarification. So, ti's got nothing to do with Islam then. Yet I often hera muslims repeat this.
fyi – Allah mentions in Surah Zumr:
39:6 He created you (all) from a single person: then created, of like nature, his mate…
JazakAllah!
Cloning method allows us to generate new humen being using even the "rib" cell of man or woman. If we use rib cell of a man, the next generated child will also be a boy who also will be copy of parent man. If we use rib cell of a woman, the next generated child would be a girl who also will be copy of parent woman.
Even in this method, adam could have generated another adam, and not the eve.
And Eve could have generate another eve, and not adam.
Genetically, the only difference between man and woman is only one chromosome out of a set of total 46 chromosomes. This chromosome is known as "y" chromosome. This chromosome is present only in the cells of men. The corresponding chromosome which is present in the cells of women is the "x" chromosome.
What is this "y" chromosome...?? How it differs from "x" chromosome which is present in the cells of women..?? Is "Y" chromosome superior to "x" chromosome...???
No. Y chromosome is NOT soperior to X Chromosome. What is Y Chromosome? It is only a FRACTIONAL PART of X Chromosome. It has no extra or different gene from X chromosome. X Chromosome, on the other hand, has extra genes available which are not present in Y chromosome.
Therefore, a complete set of HUMAN GENUME is present only in cells of women. Men has only a fractional copy of this complete genume set.
Women have biological advantages over men. Using cloning method, a woman can give birth to a child without having to mate with a man. Woman, therefore is not dependent on man for the survival of Human Being. Men, on the other hand CANNOT give birth to a child without the help of a woman. Men therefore are DEPENDENTS on women for the survival of Human Being. However using cloning method, a woman only can give birth to another woman. She CANNOT give birth to man. So the birth of Jesus, as now considered by some optimistics, is not possible in this way.
There is also a thing called as "Mitocandrial DNA". This is the only segment of DNA available in every Human {including men and women} which is present out side the nucleus of Human Cell. This "Mitocandrial DNA" comes ONLY FROM MOTHER SIDE IN EVERY HUMAN BEING. And this "Mitocandrial DNA" can move in next generations totally unchanged.
For example, I got my "Mitocandrial DNA" from my mother and not from my father. And my mother got her Mitocandrial DNA from my maternal grand mother and not from my maternal grand father. And my maternal grand mother got her Mitocandrial DNA from her mother and so on. AND THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS THIS MITOCANDRIAL DNA HAS REMAINED UNCHANGED.
It means the long traces of Human races ARE ONLY POSSIBLE FROM MOTHER SIDE AND NOT FROM FATHER SIDE. This is opposite to what is considered true in Islam.
And as far as Human Intellect is concerned. We know that women have complete set of Human Genume. SO THEY ALSO HAVE COMPLETE HUMAN INTELLECT.
Re: Does Islam Actually teaches that Women are "Naqis-ul-Aqal".
pathetic that in the name of Islam, what is being done is that the Maker's creation is belittled.
no ayet in Quran says that women in intelligence are less than men.
or that their intelligence is enjoined with the other kind in human race.
so no, women are not ill of intellect.
it is a different thing if the culture of men and ignorant other women, makes women unable to gain and practice wisdom.
Islam is a feminist religion & so, it is a faith which empowers women.
dushwari