If the answer is yes.
Who are they?
Is it more a philosophical question or are you looking from responses from some religious point of view?
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If party X has an enemy called Y, it implies (at least to me?) that X has no control over the actions of Y. There is some grudge/reason that has made X enemies with Y; this grudge or reason is beyond the personal control and influence of either party, therefore both have become enemies. (Sorry for the dumb variables). Now, from MY understanding of God, Allah cannot have a lack of control over any being and any action. Therefore, He cannot have enemies. He has control and authority over every single thing - so how could He have enemies ? i mean, shaitaan may regard himself as an enemy of God. God still retains power over the devil though.
head spinning i dunno if i made annnnny sense. Does anyone get my drift? To me, the concept of 'enemies' is a very human one.
goes to get a cold glass of lassi to stop head from spinning
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*confused
If party X has an enemy called Y, it implies (at least to me?) that X has no control over the actions of Y. There is some grudge/reason that has made X enemies with Y; this grudge or reason is beyond the personal control and influence of either party, therefore both have become enemies. (Sorry for the dumb variables). Now, from MY understanding of God, Allah cannot have a lack of control over any being and any action. Therefore, He cannot have enemies. He has control and authority over every single thing - so how could He have enemies ? i mean, shaitaan may regard himself as an enemy of God. God still retains power over the devil though.
head spinning i dunno if i made annnnny sense. Does anyone get my drift? To me, the concept of 'enemies' is a very human one.
goes to get a cold glass of lassi to stop head from spinning
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Miss Nadia_H
You seem to be much wise. You have presented a case and have concluded that God cannot have enemies.
If you have ever read my previous posts then you (using your wisdom) should conclude that I may be (Or am) the enemy of God...
I have written so many things against the teachings of God. So I can be considered the enemy of God.
I NEVER HAVE FELT ANY CONTROL OF GOD ON ME.
What is your conclusion now???
^^
Respite...off wich Allah swt, also gave too iblees until the day of judgement.
Quran 2:98
Who is an **enemy to Allah*, and His angels and His messengers, and Gabriel and Michael! Then, lo! Allah (Himself) is an enemy to the disbelievers. *
Quran 8:60
Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay **the enemy of Allah* and your enemy, and others beside them whom ye know not. Allah knoweth them. Whatsoever ye spend in the way of Allah it will be repaid to you in full, and ye will not be wronged. *
Quran 9:114
The prayer of Abraham for the forgiveness of his father was only because of a promise he had promised him, but when it had become clear unto him that he (his father) was **an enemy to Allah* he (Abraham) disowned him. Lo! Abraham was soft of heart, long-suffering. *
Quran 20:39
Saying: Throw him into the ark, and throw it into the river, then the river shall throw it on to the bank, and there **an enemy to Me (i.e. Allah)* and an enemy to him shall take him. And I endued thee with love from Me that thou mightest be trained according to My will, *
Quran 60:1
O ye who believe! Choose not **My enemy* and your enemy for allies. Do ye give them friendship when they disbelieve in that truth which hath come unto you, driving out the messenger and you because ye believe in Allah, your Lord? If ye have come forth to strive in My way and seeking My good pleasure, (show them not friendship). Do ye show friendship unto them in secret, when I am Best Aware of what ye hide and what ye proclaim? And whosoever doeth it among you, he verily hath strayed from the right way. *
*so now look up the verses posted above and study the context wherein they lie, so u can get a better understanding.... *
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Respite...off wich Allah swt, also gave too iblees until the day of judgement.
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PRECISELY. Thank you, Ak47. Basic Force, To Allah, it does not matter what you say against Him. He is Above and Beyond such petty things to get 'worried' about what mortals say about Him. Whether or not someone prays, or drinks wine, or gambles, or cheats, or lies, or fasts, - it doesn't influence Allah one iota..... He doesn't need us to do that! He has Created the Day of Judgement to make us accountable.
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*Originally posted by Nadia_H: *
PRECISELY. Thank you, Ak47. Basic Force, To Allah, it does not matter what you say against Him. He is Above and Beyond such petty things to get 'worried' about what mortals say about Him. Whether or not someone prays, or drinks wine, or gambles, or cheats, or lies, or fasts, - it doesn't influence Allah one iota..... He doesn't need us to do that! He has Created the Day of Judgement to make us accountable.
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Well! its you say that he is above and beyond such petty things but I say he is just helpless even in such petty things.
If Muslim's God is above and beyond such petty things then Hindu's Berhama is also above and beyond such petty things. And similarly all other gods and godesses are also above and beyond such petty things.
If God is above and beyond the petty things then he should also be above and beyond anything how much important it may be. Because everything which is important for humans should not have any importance for God. Therefore everything should have to be a petty thing for God. So God should not care for anything. God should not have make the hell or paradise etc. God should not have revealed his code of law that describe major punishments for petty doings.
Then to pray or not to pray is also a petty thing. Why God counts our prayers. Is he interested in such petty things?
If God really exists in the sense in which muslims believe in him then it means that only he is the powerful and all other are helpless. So God has "ordered" the "helpless" people to "pray" to him. Is God courageless? for he can only give orders to weak people. Can he NOT give any order to any one who is more powerful than him..??? You will say that since only he is powerful so how can he give "orders" to more powerful beings. My answer is that he has been unable to fully convey his orders even to the "helpless" people and even those helpless people who have received his messages do not care about his orders. It means that "helpless" people are more couragous people than the God. Because they do not care about the orders of that being which is more powerful than them.
God has made no day of judgement. He cannot do so.
Basic Force,
i honestly don't even have the strength to disagree with you about this. i am so tired of arguing. i read your comments three times.
Let's just agree to disagree and leave each other's sanities at peace. You believe what you want, i will believe what i want. Engaging in a dispute with you, is akin to engaging in a sectarian dispute in this Forum - peoples' minds are so closed, they only want to recognize their truth.
To you, your beliefs - to me, mine.
Take care,
nadia
^ So is it a good trick question or a bad trick question? :-)
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**Basic Force*,
i honestly don't even have the strength to disagree with you about this. i am so tired of arguing. i read your comments three times.
Let's just agree to disagree and leave each other's sanities at peace. You believe what you want, i will believe what i want. Engaging in a dispute with you, is akin to engaging in a sectarian dispute in this Forum - peoples' minds are so closed, they only want to recognize their truth.
To you, your beliefs - to me, mine.
Take care,
nadia
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Miss Nadia,
OK I agree to disagree. You should believe in what you want and so I should believe in what I want. But let me say with honestly that my arguments/ comments are not the reflection of my wishes. They are the reflections of my frustrations. I know and I recognize that Pakistani people are simple and innocent. The problem is that they are over simple and over innocent. They have been trapped into finding solutions to such problems that (i.e. problems) actually do not exist. With this kind of thinking approach, they are just unable to compete this tough world. I am afraid that sooner or later, they shall again go into DIRECT slavery of other nations.
Pakistanies are compitent. They can think. They can debate. Your own posts to this forum are more than 8000. It means you have written a 3 or 4 volume book. You are a scholar. I have seen other members having more than 20000 posts. But let me say that this 'thinking' for most of the members is very much confined. It is a kind of close minded thinking approach. Also let me say that an average Pakistani person is a close minded person. He is close minded in the sense that he has a view something like that only 'we' are 100% right. Other nations may be more powerful than us but it is only due to the fact that they (i.e. other nations) have taken all their principles from our reliogious principles. So this average Pakistani has the conclusion that he dose not need to get anything (i.e. knowledge etc.) from those powerful nations. That average Pakistani (unfortunatly including most highly edjucated Pakistanies also), with this "close minded" approach is in a state of "false happiness" that powerful nations are powerful because they are following "our" principles.
Miss Nadia, I am not a western person but I do have studied western code of ethics. It is NOT based on Muslim's secred teachings. Western code of ethics has its bases in ancient Greek Philosophy and on a form of "honesty" which was first established in the society of ancient christian Roman empire. That was not a "religious honesty". That was a "commercial honesty". This policy of "commercial honesty" was adopted by the western culture due to its practical merits before the emergence of Islam. The kind of honesty present in present day western culture is also that "commercial honesty". It is not a "religious honesty" in any way.
I do admit that western culture has derived so many good things from Muslim culture. Since they have derived good things from other cultures, so their progress took its start. Since Pakistanies are uptill now "close minded" and they do not want to derive good thinking approaches of other cultures and they want to remain trapped in finding solutions to those problems which do not even exist. So their progress cannot take its start. They have to become direct slave of others sooner or later.
And this is my frustration.
Basic Force,
Thank you for that interesting response. i did read it and am currently thinking about it.
i understand the point you are trying to make about closed-mindedness; according to my belief, it exists in ALL cultures in ALL societies. i don’t think closed-mindedness is limited to Pakistanis. You can be raised up in an Anglo-Saxon background, be as white as snow, never have left North America, and be closed-minded; you can be as black as the Khana Kaaba, be raised and brought up in North America, and be closed-minded. i have met both types of individuals. Pakistanis don’t possess a monopoly on narrow-mindedness. That’s just my personal belief anyways, i could be wrong.
Regarding “commercial honesty” - i am not certain if you are implying that Western societies alone possess ‘commercial honesty’. Maybe you and i define commercial honesty in different ways. When i think of Enron or Martha Stewart’s insider trading, i don’t think of commercial honesty. There are many examples of commercial dishonesty in southeast Asia, Pakistan included; similarly, there is no shortage of such examples in North America. My provincial government in Canada is currently engaged in an internal audit review, forced by the official opposition, because it is alleged they misused millions of dollars that were earmarked for a particular sector of people (farmers); allegedly the money was mishandled and there are allegations of immense commercial dishonesty. That is just one local example i can give. In Canada, currently, there are many, many more; the sponsorship scandal under former PM Chretien’s second term, is one classic present example.
How does Pakistan’s alleged narrow-mindedness and commercial dishonesty relate to Islam? Maybe you are implying that we narrow-mindedly accept religious principles from our childhood without actually thinking about religion independently, devoid of its cultural/childhood influences. Well, i would say with all due respect - you do not know me personally 
Maybe i am trying to understand Islam absent of all its cultural affiliations, maybe i am trying to understand Islam in an independent manner, similar to someone who approaches the religion for the first time. My point is - since i am a stranger to you, please do not assume that you know whether or not i am trying to understand Islam for myself. With all due respect to yourself, Basic Force, don’t categorize and assume you understand me please.
Simply because someone holds spiritual religious beliefs, doesn’t mean they do not think independently. Sometimes, people are courageous enough to reach out to a religion, embark upon a lifelong struggle to genuinely comprehend it inside out. That testifies more to their independence of thought rather than the absence of independence.
i think basic_force has made quite a good point from a philosophical point of view. and to continue in this light allow me to add another perhaps philosophical post:
The enemies of ('our') God are none other than Gods from other religions...
(...but then again one can argue that they all are just one and the same...)
I think the narrow-mindedness of basic force is very normal. Just as he can see Muslims as not capable of understanding others or appreciating others, I can just as easily see him as not understanding the feelings and beliefs of a Muslim. Although, most decent kafirs I know of usually are open-minded and very respectful of muslim beliefs and feelings, almost as though they are believers themselves, but not all have this intellegence, decency and open-mindedness. He pretends he could but I don't think he has even a clue. Regarding slavery, yes we are slaves, only of Allah, the supreme so perhaps we can not comprehend being slaves of anyone or anything else. This alone is more powerful than any force on this earth as events show. While the non-believers are slaves of the world in this life and in the hereafter and just take the side of whoever is powerful like a playground seesaw. Anyone can do that, it doesn't take a genius, but Muslims have other priorities which you won't understand nor ever will. Everyone has their phase, yesterday it was Muslims, today its kafirs, tomorrow it will be Muslims again, big deal since this life is temporary anyway. The real victory is in the hereafter, but again, someone who doesn't believe in the hereafter won't comprehend it anyway.
By the way, why you limiting your profile to pakistanis? if anything, pakistanis seem to be more accepted at the global level and east-west relation level than other muslim countries... strange. You would think a westerner would think of us more differently. Again, I guess it shows the discriminatory nature of his post on "pakistanies" and the lack of open-mindedness and broad perspective from a more universal point of view.
WOW NADZ :k:
some amazing logic u used there yara :k:
i’m impressed
^ 
x10
Thanks yaar. i really appreciate that.
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*Originally posted by STRONGMAN: *
I think the narrow-mindedness of basic force is very normal. Just as he can see Muslims as not capable of understanding others or appreciating others, I can just as easily see him as not understanding the feelings and beliefs of a Muslim. Although, most decent kafirs I know of usually are open-minded and very respectful of muslim beliefs and feelings, almost as though they are believers themselves, but not all have this intellegence, decency and open-mindedness. He pretends he could but I don't think he has even a clue. Regarding slavery, yes we are slaves, only of Allah, the supreme so perhaps we can not comprehend being slaves of anyone or anything else. This alone is more powerful than any force on this earth as events show. While the non-believers are slaves of the world in this life and in the hereafter and just take the side of whoever is powerful like a playground seesaw. Anyone can do that, it doesn't take a genius, but Muslims have other priorities which you won't understand nor ever will. Everyone has their phase, yesterday it was Muslims, today its kafirs, tomorrow it will be Muslims again, big deal since this life is temporary anyway. The real victory is in the hereafter, but again, someone who doesn't believe in the hereafter won't comprehend it anyway.
By the way, why you limiting your profile to pakistanis? if anything, pakistanis seem to be more accepted at the global level and east-west relation level than other muslim countries... strange. You would think a westerner would think of us more differently. Again, I guess it shows the discriminatory nature of his post on "pakistanies" and the lack of open-mindedness and broad perspective from a more universal point of view.
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Well! you can call me narrow minded because you do not know me. Narrow minded is a person who says that only we are right and all others are wrong. I have not used the word narrow minded for Pakistanies. The word I used is "Close Minded". And close minded is a person who accepts that others may be powerful than us but according to that closed minded person, it is only due to the fact that "others" who are more powerful, have taken all the good principles from us.
Pakistanies are really closed minded. They say that (i) we are 100% right, (ii) we cannot be wrong;
Now if they are 100% right and they cannot be wrong, then they have to account for a real situation that then why western nations are more powerful than them? "Fortunatly" they have a ready made "close minded" solution to this situation. They can account for this situation by saying that actually western nations have taken all the good principles from muslim's secred teachings.
And Pakistanies actually do this. With this false notion in their mind, they are in a state of false mental satisfaction and so have become impracticle.
I already have shown in my previous post that western code of ethics has not been derived from muslims' secred teachings. It has different basis.
Therefore Pakistanies infact have a false notion in their mind that western culture has taken all the good things from muslims only.
And Pakistanies do not want to learn anything from the present thinking system of successful western nations. Since they do not want to learn from others it means they have "closed" their mind for any of the outside fresh ideas. And since they have "closed down" their own minds, so they are "CLOSED MINDED".
You are not the slave of anything supernatural. You only think that. Everything is natural and nothing is supernatural. Natural things are the slaves of Human beings.
However I am afraid that with this "closed minded" approach, sooner or later you are going to become direct slaves of other Humans. You have example of Afghanistan before you. Your God could do nothing for his true slaves. Similarly he shall do nothing for you. You have seen his previous behaviour. Actually he can do nothing for his slaves because he dose not even exists.
I am limiting my profile to Pakistanies because I am Pakistani and I do not want to become the slave of western nations.
Narrow minded is a peron who says that only we are right and all others are wrong. I am a person but I say that we are not right, we should become right by adopting fresh ideas from other nations who happen to be more right currently than us. My mind is open for and is adoptive to good rational ideas of other cultures.
Consider your words:
"Everyone has their phase, yesterday it was Muslims, today its kafirs, tomorrow it will be Muslims again, big deal since this life is temporary anyway. The real victory is in the hereafter, but again, someone who doesn't believe in the hereafter won't comprehend it anyway."
Yesterday was muslim phase because Muslims were a dynamic society then. They were open minded then. They did extensive translation work of the philosophys of ancient Greek Scholars. Then they become static and stagnent. They stopped inducting rational ideas of other nations and so became closed minded. Then western nations become dynamic. They took that translation work done by muslims and translated into their languages. Up till now they are not becoming static or stagnant. They are contineously doing research work and so are adopting newer and newer ideas day by day. Muslims are still static and stagnant and close minded. They do not need fresh ideas because they are static and stagnant and close minded They shall remain in their stagnation stage and shall continue reciting useless naats and nohas untill they shall be taken over by the more prograssive nations.
There is no victory after death. A thing you cannot do in your life, how can you do it when you will not have life? This is a courageless approach and is nothing more than a schychological escape from the challenges of real world.
Miss Nadia,
If you read my previous answer to Mr. STRONGMAN, you will find that I differentiate between “close mindedness” and “narrow mindedness”. Due to its nature, powerful nations do not need “close mindedness”. Because they do not need to account for their own weakness with compare to other powerful nations.
Yes powerful nations can be narrow minded and they are. Narrow mindedness is the charactistics of powerful nations. Close mindedness is the chatractristics of those weak nations who were powerful in historical times.
I do not say that we should copy western nations. We should adopt only the good things from western culture. Good things are those things which are the real cause of their powers. And this is the scientific and rational approach. After becoming powerful in this way, we should not then become narrow minded. We should be broad minded which is the view that others are not always wrong and we are not always right.
I was not talking about commercial dishonesty. I was differentiating between “religious honesty” and “commercial honesty”.
Actually Pakistanies have their “closed minded” view that so called honesty that prevail (according to them) in western culture has been derived from their “religious honesty code of ethics”. According to these Pakistanies, western nations have adopted muslim religious honesty and so therefore have become powerful. And since they themself are not fully following their own religious honesty, so they are not powerful.
I was only showing that whatever so called honesty if exists in western culture is not the religious honesty of muslims. It is their own “commercial honesty” which was first emerged in their culture in ancient christian Roman empire due to its practical advantages.
So Pakistanies need not be happy that western nations have adopted their religious honesty. Because they have not adopted muslim religious honesty. What they have adopted is their own “commercial honesty” which has no link with the religion.
So I also have not said that commercial dishonesty relate to Islam. I just have not talked about dishonesty in any way.
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There is no victory after death. A thing you cannot do in your life, how can you do it when you will not have life? This is a courageless approach and is nothing more than a schychological escape from the challenges of real world.
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That's quite a statement. Could you expound on that further?
If there is no God who created the universe? it had to come from somewhere..
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*Originally posted by Nadia_H: *
PRECISELY. Thank you, Ak47. Basic Force, To Allah, it does not matter what you say against Him. He is Above and Beyond such petty things to get 'worried' about what mortals say about Him. Whether or not someone prays, or drinks wine, or gambles, or cheats, or lies, or fasts, - it doesn't influence Allah one iota..... He doesn't need us to do that! He has Created the Day of Judgement to make us accountable.
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If he does not need to do that to us and is not bothered about whether someone prays or not, drinks ro not..why create a judgement day to judge evrything and everyone? does not make sense.