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*Originally posted by karina: *
Basic force - you speak like a scientist. The universe may be infinite but wouldn't you need an architect to gather the energy and matter and make it into a house? Why don't we see such phenomena happening before us - i.e. why can't I look out of my window and see matter arranging itself into some shape? Science has no answer for consciousness...yet.
Still, even science is recognising that something lives on after death. For the spiritualists there never has been doubt of heaven, hell, spirit, God.
But I like your views on 'escapism'. People essentially dream of rewards in the afterlife when they feel inadequate in this life.
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You yourself has accepted that 'we don't see such phenomeno (i.e. some architect gathering matter and energy into unified systems) happening before us. ** But the universe is always in a state of 'change'. It means change is being occured on everyday basis without the involvement of any 'visible' 'architect'.**
These changes which are being taken place without any architect are so much numarious and complicated that they can indipendently account for (in very very long periods of times) so much complicated and balanced structure and design of the universe.
Universe do not need architect. It can produce architects.
You can look out your window and can see matter/ energy arranging themself indipendently. You only have to see very carefully with consideration.
It is not true that science has no answer for consciousness. Science has answer for consciousness. Consciousness is nothing more than an organization of electrochemical activity which is being taken place inside our nervous system. This statement can be proved to be true using laboratory experimentation. For example if I stop (or switch off) the electrochemical activity of your nervous system (i.e. if I kill you etc.), you will lose your consciousness. (Please do not angry or fear I am not going to do that in real life) Since laboratory method can prove this theory to be true, so it is a scientific theory and therefore science has the answer for consciousness.
And science is not recognizing afterlife which is reward or punishment of this life.
I tell you that logically it is possible that I can get another life after my death.
If my age is 27 years at this time. It means that I had no existence before lets say 30 years. It means that there was 0% chance of my existence of being alive person only 30 years before. But with this 0% chance I got a very good life. After my death, I shall lose my existence again. I shall have no existence at all. It shall be the same situation as it was 30 years before. I would have 0% chance of my being alive person. But since previously I got a very good life with this 0% chance, so in future it would be again possible that with the same 0% chance, I would again get a very good life. So I should not be afraid of death. It can be a start of another independent life. ** And that indipendent life would not be a reward or punishment of my previous life**
Spirtualism is a discarded theory. If they believe in God, hell, heaven, etc. it is up to them. Science do not believe in them.