Does God Exist?

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^^ you would do the serious praying cuz it makes you feel calmer or better?
i'm pretty much an athiest... none of the religious stories about GOD and CREATION make any logical sense to me and i can't be at peace with myself if I believe them.. blind faith is insanity to me!
but then again, to each his own.. if sum1 feels better about things.. and strives for being a good person bcoz of this concept of god, then good for em....
but sum1 like me who wants reason and logic in everything and rejects blind faith... just cannot digest this god stuff.. i just dont believe that theres mr.god 24 trillion light years away sumwhere sitting on a control panel controlling the events of 5 billion humans 34 trillion insects 345 million animals blah blah blah

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^ so what would you do in a life or death situation with no way out?I have to have some hope that something called God would help me.

I wanna say i’m an atheist but I know that science doesn’t have ALL the answers to ALL the questions:bummer:…wish it did though.

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Yes

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If you are, then what would an atheist do in a life or death situation where there is absolutely no way out and there is nothing one can do to get to safety? Would he/she just wait for death to come since he/she has no faith in something called God? Just wondering what an atheist would do in an intense,scary situation like that.

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I would try my beast to find a way out. If I don't succeed, its time to get some sleep.

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I personally would do some serious praying so I could get to safety even if I don't consider myself very religious but I realized after thinking about a situation like this that I would look towards God.
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Wouldn't praying to God in such a situation also cloud your mind and blind you to some possible way out?

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yea but science is the only thing that has answered a lot of such questions properly logically with facts and backups... not just blindfaith like how it is in religion.. ofcourse theres much more to dig, but we'll keep digging.. if you compare what we know and understand about the earth and the universe today to 200 years ago we've answered hundrds of questions that boggled our ancestors..
life or death situation with no way out? you mean its a death death situation :P i'd probably just reflect on my life think about the good times etc before it all ends.... ofcourse... if praying helps you keep ur calm then go ahead do it.. i got no problems with the concept of god cuz i understand it has a lot of benefits (and a lot of drawbacks and problems too unfortunately)

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you dont need to prove anything to any human.

:):)

only person who thinks himself as God can say this. :)

but still they question their own existence :)

nope

humaray honay na honay say usay koe fark nahi perta. wo humesha say tha, humesha say hai or humesha rahay ga. :)

brother insaan ho, insaan baneya gayea hoo to insaan he banay raho. Identitfy your limits and be in there!

yeh na ho k damag honay k bawajood, soochanay kay kabil bhi na choray jao :)

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WHO!!!

Who is the one who puts so much love in the heart of the parents that even the most selfish person gets ready to sacrifice his needs for his child.

Who is the one who feeds us when we are inside our mother.

who is the one who converts days into nights and nights into days

Look at the sky, why donot you find any crack in it. Who has made it to perfection. Try looking again, everytime your eyes would get tired but you would not find any crack in it.

who is the one who gives different taste to fruits of different trees, although the same water is given to all trees.

Who is the one who is able to make infinitely different faces of infinitely many people although they all have the same 2 eyes, one nose,one mouth and two ears.

who is the one who makes the finger prints and **retina of eye **of all the humans different from each other

who is the one who feeds the ants under the stones.

Even a single stone cannot move from its place on its own, how is the whole universe controlled in such an organized manner on its own. Who is behind it ???

Who is the one who converts us from child to a young and powerfull person and then to a weak old person

who is the one who helps a human being when he is helpless and all alone when the human dosn't find anyone else to help him.

who is the one who sent us to this world for a time which is negligible as compared to the time before and after us ( applicable to every human)

Who is the master of earthquakes, winds, storms, floods, and others....

who is the one who helps a seed grow into a little plant and then grow into a tree.

who is the one who made each and every human being from a single drop.

who is the one who orders for rain when humans become totally hopeless and find no sign of rain

Just concentrate on your ownself, you would feel there definately is someone behind its creation.Who is that ??

Who is the one who created all these mountains, seas, rivers, oceans, trees. Who is the one who has made the ground uneven.

Who is the one who helps the sheeps and cows make milk for you.

Who is the one who created love for you in the hearts of your parents.

who is the one who traps your ships in strong oceans and then when you find noway out but death, he listens to your prayers and helps your ships reach the sea shore.

Who is the one who feeds the largest and smallest fishes in the oceans.

who is the one who bless you with happiness when you go through the toughest time in your life

who is the one who gave a human the ability to think and understand better than other animals.

who is the one who made this universe limited and left no way for you to leave it.

Who is the one who makes the full moon on some nights and half on others.

who is the one who orders the sun to rise from the east and set in the west.

who is the one who gives the birds the ability to fly and doesnt give the same ability to other creatures.

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well what I meant was that there was nothing you could physically do to get out but would you have the hope that by some miracle you're saved since anybody would be panic stricken in this kind of situation.

Yea i guess i would do it to calm myself but also to have that tiny bit of hope that a higher power would get me to safety.

isn't it the concept of religion that has the problems and drawbacks since there are so many conflicts and killings between the various religious groups? A belief simply in God doesn't cause conflicts since I don't follow any particular religion or way of thinking.

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so you would so calmly accept death without a glimmer of hope that a higher power would help? I haven't gotten myself to think like that yet, I envy you :).

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yeah just believing in god shouldnt create problems but this whole organized religion stuff creates problems between different theories of mr.god and then human stupidity makes it worse!

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so far our atheists friends have failed to discuss the topic rationally. Posting same old argument over and over again "who created God, can God create another God" are not going to prove anything. Again, people are jumping around from proving "is there an Eternal and Everlasting" to same old questions.


So far I only have argued that there is an Eternal and defined some of its attributes. The Eternal is only ONE, LIMITLESS, UNCHANGEABLE, NOT DIVISIBLE! I have not said anything about God, have I?


The Eternal and Everlasting is only one, there cannot be multiple Eternals! The Eternal cannot create another Eternal because once something is created it is not Eternal; it is temporal/limited created. As I have said before, all temporal things has always been the possibility of the Eternal and something which is not possibility of the eternal is nothing! There is nothing apart from the Eternal and its possibilities and hence the Eternal is limitless because there is nothing to limit it. Get your logic straight my friend!


Again, I haven't said anything about God. Have you seen me using the typical theists/creationists design argument? Logically speaking all the non-eternal/temporal/limited things must arise from an Eternal. Even knowledgeable atheists would agree with me because you cannot rationally disapprove it.

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Official reason for creating this thread is that one of the members "ummm" would like to debate with me on this topic rationally and logically

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I won't get much time to spend here till apr 14th/15th, so I can't contribute much to the discussion before that. Sorry.

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That's what i think I will do. easier said than done, isn't it?:)

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The Eternal and Everlasting is only one, there cannot be multiple Eternals!

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Why?

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^read my post again carefully. If something does not occupy the whole space then it is not Eternal and since the Eternal occupies the whole space therefore, there is no space left for another Eternal. Even if we were to assume that there can be multiple Eternals, by the definition there can be one or multiple things only because they are distinct from each other, either in space or time. Therefore, to state that there can be multiple Eternals is to state that there are multiple Eternal distinctions between the Eternals. Thus the supposedly multiple Eternals will not satisfy the basic definition of an Eternal. The Eternal must always have what it needs. It cannot acquire from something else.

I'll explain this in more details later one but for now, I hope this answers your question.

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I am not trying to prove God, read the whole thread before writing.


Ok


Read again what I am trying to say.


Say what?


Sure, but who would know even "HE" exists if we don't exist.


Stick to the topic and cut the crap.


Sez who?

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OK bro no time for these lengthy games, give me an example of eternal. What one thing/entity/dimension is eternal.

My question is still unanswerwed, what is God?

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To all the theists: Can there be more than one God? If not why not?

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^^ the problem is that thiests strongly believe in their religion and are locked in their little box of thinking..

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Do you ever think and write for yourself or the whole life is ctrl+c and ctrl+v for you.

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Hey I have no problem with that, they can think or not whatever they like. Its just the arrogance/holier than thou attitude what ticks me off.