Please share atleast 1 reason which convinces you about the existence of Allah as defined in Islamic scripture. I have my doubts and wanted to know what other ppl's idea of Allah's existence was.
Allah(swt) is the Lord, Master, Creator, Sustainer and Cherisher of everything in existence. To imagine The Lord Most Majestic is beyond restrictions, beyond limits, beyond imaginations of human beings.
It is mentioned in Surah Baqarah verse 186: And if My servants ask you, O Prophet, concerning Me, tell them that I am quite near to them. I hear and answer the prayer of the suppliant, when he calls on Me. So let them respond to My call and believe in Me. (Convey this to them), perhaps they may be guided aright!
Iam very happy to listen that you are a muslim but brother sometimes our faith becomes so weak that we get stupid thoughts and question in our mind .Open Quran and read it in language which you understand better ..you yourself will get an image of your creator.
You feel they will be no risk if believe in all religions or their gods?But how can you associate patners with the One who is most High, Supreme, sustainer, Cherisher and Creator of every thing in the heavens and the earth!!! It is a shirk! It is mentioned many times in Quraan that If one believes any other God or any God besides Allah then His destination will be Hell.
Allah(Swt) has given us enough signs to believe His existence, His supremecy, His oneness.... but still if we dont understand then brother there is no difference between us and people of A'd, samood, madyan or others who doubt the supremacy of Allah The Alone worthy of praise and worship.
My point is not to be facetious but very seriously speaking, if there is no God, it is impossibel to thing God does not exist, so there is.
Try thinking of something that does not exist in absolute terms. You can't
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Humans have the ability to create ideas, but only God can Create things tangible and objective.
For what you have written it is flawed as we can make things up in our minds that in effect do not exist in the fabric of reality that is common to human understanding.
Multiple gods can also explain, but, i think the human mind in centuries has not accepted idea of multiple gods.
As for happening without cause or creator, at present no scientific evidence exists that from the nature of universe that it could happen without cause or creator.
I don't know why are you focusing "Allah in Islam" thing, are you satisfied with concept of God in other religions and have problem with Islam's Allah only?
Well right, and no scientific evidence exists of a creator either, especially like the one in Islamic scripture.
Why am I focusing "Allah in Islam"? Have you read my posts? I have clearly stated that my doubts are for all of these "gods" be it islam, hinduism, judaism etc. Since this is pakistani forum frequented by muslims, I am bringing up Islam's Allah.
that's just logical not possible as explained
there is no maybe when it comes to whether there is a God or not. Such claim holds no value unless rationally and logically proven. It rationally impossible to prove that something didn't cause our creation. If assume your position, can you please explain how did we come into being? There are only three possibilities, two of them which I already pointed out and profoundly put forward by the Qur'an:
1 - we came out of nothing
2 - we created ourselves
3 - something else created us or caused our birth
there is no other possibility, period!
2 - that's because He created us, so why shouldn't we?
Well, I don't know if I want to get into the multiple gods discussion. Right now, I'm just trying to fathom just Allah's existence, let alone multiple Allahs. I think argument you're trying to make is that Allah created us or caused our birth. But if so then that leads me to question of why well who created Allah?
Please share atleast 1 reason which convinces you about the existence of Allah as defined in Islamic scripture. I have my doubts and wanted to know what other ppl's idea of Allah's existence was.
The Basic question in life one should ask..............
Well right, and no scientific evidence exists of a creator either, especially like the one in Islamic scripture.
Why am I focusing "Allah in Islam"? Have you read my posts? I have clearly stated that my doubts are for all of these "gods" be it islam, hinduism, judaism etc. Since this is pakistani forum frequented by muslims, I am bringing up Islam's Allah.
Absence of proof is not proof of absence. Give me another theory that adequately explains creation of universe.
Again i wonder why you yet again said "especially like the one in Islamic scripure", coz it implies some other scripture does have a better god.
for me it is crunch time that keeps me believing. Its an innate belief, the logic doesnot form a part of it. Going through life one thing gets certain, i am weak and someone is not.So that someone to me is Allah.The fountian of everything, every power, answer to every question, and then all the questions rolled in one. The doubt comes and goes, and it isnt something i am proud of but in the end i always conclude i have to believe in some form of reality or i'll go nuts. As someone in the thread said, a void needs to be filled. So for me believing is peace and not believing is bedlam.
Then you go through the routine of which religion satisfies you most.
Absence of proof is not proof of absence. Give me another theory that adequately explains creation of universe.
Again i wonder why you yet again said "especially like the one in Islamic scripure", coz it implies some other scripture does have a better god.
I dont know. Scientists talk about Big Bang. But who started Big Bang? who knows. But I have doubts about how these religons explain creation fo universe. If Allah did it? then who created Allah?
well after 40 or 50 years you will come back to me with the same lame excuse that the books I read 40 or 50 years ago are now out dated...
Holy Quran is a living book for me. It is not outdated. It addresses the issues as same as it used to 1400 years ago however we are starting to understand this world much better now then 1400 years ago hence this reflects some of the vereses Quran holds.
You are right my friend, 50 years from now, I will not value today's books as much as I do it today....they will be outdated for sure....I move with the times and I wish the world does too.
It is always amazing to see people claiming God is above and beyond everything we can imagine yet somehow they know there cannot be multiple Gods, that God cannot be this and that etc...
It is always amazing to see people claiming God is above and beyond everything we can imagine yet somehow they know there cannot be multiple Gods, that God cannot be this and that etc...
Please share atleast 1 reason which convinces you about the existence of Allah as defined in Islamic scripture. I have my doubts and wanted to know what other ppl's idea of Allah's existence was.
Before we go in to any discussion let me say few things:
1- This is a bad question.
2- It only points out if Allah exists or what islamic view is.
3- It assumes that Bhagwan, god or Gods may still exist.
4- The thread is simply a biased one and nothing more than that.
Clarify your position first and change the question if sincere in asking question.
It is always amazing to see people claiming God is above and beyond everything we can imagine yet somehow they know there cannot be multiple Gods, that God cannot be this and that etc...
i guess that is a matter of perspective, people imagine God is above and beyond and then they imagine what to the seems like the religion of God and then they submit. Put it this way you cannot imagine what God would be like but you can certainly imagine what cant be God to you.
I think argument you're trying to make is that Allah created us or caused our birth. But if so then that leads me to question of why well who created Allah?
first of all, please try to post arguments within context and also keep an eye on your own arguments.
1 - you said that there is possibility that nothing created us. Hence, I laid out three possibilities for our existence. From which, logically and rationally speaking only one possibility makes sense: someone who have been around for forever created us. If you disagree with this conclusion, then please prove your position logically and let's stop playing hide and seek.
2 - by definition, an Attribute of Allah is that He is Eternal, which means He had no beginning. Only created things have a creator and beginning. When Allah is uncreated, it is absurd to ask who created Him. Your argument would only work if I said everything has a cause or creator. However, this is not what I said.
please stop wasting everyone's time and produce reasonable arguments and answer other people's questions, thanks!
first of all, please try to post arguments within context and also keep an eye on your own arguments.
1 - you said that there is possibility that nothing created us. Hence, I laid out three possibilities for our existence. From which, logically and rationally speaking only one possibility makes sense: someone who have been around for forever created us. If you disagree with this conclusion, then please prove your position logically and let's stop playing hide and seek.
2 - by definition, an Attribute of Allah is that He is Eternal, which means He had no beginning. Only created things have a creator and beginning. When Allah is uncreated, it is absurd to ask who created Him. Your argument would only work if I said everything has a cause or creator. However, this is not what I said.
please stop wasting everyone's time and produce reasonable arguments and answer other people's questions, thanks!
Well didnt you read what i said? my response to "someone who have been around for forever created us" was that then who created Allah? since this is the most logical argument. Now to your response of Allah has no begining, how is that even logical? So somehow this world MUST have a cause/be created but the creator has no start/end. Sorry just doesnt compute.
And I'm not forcing you to answer anything. If you think I am wasting your time, feel free to leave. Thanks.
Your argument is absurd to say the least. Do you even listen to yourself? Tell me what does “have been around forever” mean? What does forever mean? Why would the Creator, Who has been around forever, need a cause or beginning? Seriously, by which logic this follows or make any sense? By definition, only created things have a beginning as there was a time when they didn’t exist. If something has been around forever, then it means it is uncreated and eternal; hence, it needs no cause or beginning. There was no moment when Allah Ta’ala didn’t exist.
You didn’t answer my questions last time as you keep avoiding it. Tell me where did you come from: 1 - Have you been around forever? OR
2 - Did you create yourself? Or
3 - Did you come from nothing? Or
4 - If someone else created you, then … ?
you are not only wasting my time but also your own. I said “everyone”, and you’re included in everyone. You’re presenting absurd argument and not admitting your mistakes and trying to learn or correct yourself, which means that you’re not sincere.
Why would the Creator be there foreever? You state that as if it's a scientifc fact. This is just a bogus asumption you have put forward. One one hand, you say earth is CREATED by Allah but then say ALLAH cannot be created since he's there forever. This sounds like a conveniant arguemtent to me.
As to your questions, I dont know. I wish I did. As a matter of fact, noone knows the answers to those questions. We can all just speculate.
Again, if you feel im wasting time, why the hell are you still responding. Cant get this thru ur thick skull? And I find this highly arrogant that you have automatically assumed that I am the one who ahs EVERYTHING to learn, but not urself? Ofcourse, typical religous rightenous.
OK, so i see people are trying to prove the existence of Allah by referring to the Quran itself.
Whilst, for those knowledgeable in Islam, this is fine, for an Atheist it is all relative. I find Dr Zakir Naik an excelent speaker, and just by listening to him and reading his published resources, i know of five people who reverted to Islam. Have a look at his take on this specific matter....