Does Allah exist?

[Yea_Boii]

Try to look at it in this way, there are many scientific "theories" that are yet to be proven experimentally but they are accepted as long as they answer a particular problem AND none other adequately explain a problem/phenomenon. Concept of God in itself entails that it does need a creator but exists without a creator. This is a philosophical argument that explains the existence of universe while none others do.

Thats an interesting response. But I diagree that this is the ONLY answer to this paritular problem. For example, why not multiple gods or maybe this all happened by chance without any cause or creator? why stick with the concept of Allah in Islam creating the universe as the answer?

[flyinkiwi]

A local scholar was asked by an atheist where is god, if he is there the why can't I see it. The scholar pinched him and asked him weather he saw the pain he felt. The response was obvious :)

[Yea_Boii]

@flyinkiwi

A local scholar was asked by an atheist where is god, if he is there the why can't I see it. The scholar pinched him and asked him weather he saw the pain he felt. The response was obvious :)

That's a valid argument as well. Just because we can't see something, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. But then what's somebody else from claiming aliens as gods or some mythical creatures? since using the same logic, just because you can't see these "gods", it doesnt mean they dont exist.

[d-tox.ed]

Detox, the prophecies that you mentioned in your post were very vague in nature and based on lax intreperation they are/were bound to be validated in sometime in the future. Also; then using the same logic, is einstein considered a god as well? his scientific theories were specific and are still used as of this day.

The world will evolve as it has been evolving since day 1. We did not know much about science in begginning of the century but now we have discovered a lot and infact discovering something new everyday. We at the moment are restricked on planet Earth. However we now a lot about our Galaxy and Universe. Who knows you may be flying to other planets soon. OR soon you find out another life on another planet.

Do you think think the human who existed 2000 years ago had a small brain then what we have now.

Einstien is not God as he only discovered some LAWS of physics. He did not create those LAWS they were already engineered by our master and our lord.

I tell you one thing it is goosd you cannot see GOD becasue if you could see him you would proabably be in more doubts. The very first question coming you mind would be hmmm I can see him so he must be created by someone as well....you will see him agening....you perhaps think of seeing him die as well one day (Nouzobillah)..you will have more doubts in your mind then you already have. God is supreme and Lord and Gracious and the Merciful. One can see him and feel him but you need to very close to God.

Why do you think billions of people of this earth believe in one creator, one supreme God? They are not blind fold. This should ring the bell saying there must be something that is making them have faith in God.

This post should only leave you with questions at the moment. I was reading some scincitific book written on same subject and will get back with more information to share.

[Iconoclast]

Thats an interesting response. But I diagree that this is the ONLY answer to this paritular problem. For example, why not multiple gods or maybe this all happened by chance without any cause or creator? why stick with the concept of Allah in Islam creating the universe as the answer?

Multiple gods can also explain, but, i think the human mind in centuries has not accepted idea of multiple gods.

As for happening without cause or creator, at present no scientific evidence exists that from the nature of universe that it could happen without cause or creator.

I don't know why are you focusing "Allah in Islam" thing, are you satisfied with concept of God in other religions and have problem with Islam's Allah only?

[Rocking_vibes]

When a disease kill a man then do you blame that to Allah? When people are killed in WARS do you blame Allah?

I don't blame Allah for anything neither do I credit him because for me he does not exist. Give me one good reason why I should, other than a 1400 hundred year old book which is obviuosly very well written. If that book had never happened would you still believe in Allah ? I'd rather believe in publications which are more recent and makes sense to me. The newer publications does not warn me that if I don't believe in it then I will rot in imaginary Hell.

[Rocking_vibes]

Multiple gods can also explain, but, i think the human mind in centuries has not accepted idea of multiple gods.

As for happening without cause or creator, at present no scientific evidence exists that from the nature of universe that it could happen without cause or creator.

I don't know why are you focusing "Allah in Islam" thing, are you satisfied with concept of God in other religions and have problem with Islam's Allah only?

Allah and all the other Gods are the same.....and I don't believe in any.

[BanTaleban]

Re: Does Allah exist?

it is a trick question.

If Allah is God and if there is a God, by definition he/she/it cannot 'exist'.

Existence only makes sense when there is non-existence. God by definition is above all that crap. Because when you say a glass is full, you are also saying it can be, could have been and could become empty or unfull.

To go one step further,

Anything that exists cannot be God, because God cannot be bound by rules of existence and non-existence.

Which is why the Hindu understanding of God makes a lot of sense which is you are God. If you are not, God is not. The acknowledgement of things most personal

[AllahkaBanda]

@Yea_Boii

For example, why not multiple gods

that’s just logical not possible as explained here

@Yea_Boii

or maybe this all happened by chance without any cause or creator?

there is no maybe when it comes to whether there is a God or not. Such claim holds no value unless rationally and logically proven. It rationally impossible to prove that something didn’t cause our creation. If assume your position, can you please explain how did we come into being? There are only three possibilities, two of them which I already pointed out and profoundly put forward by the Qur’an:
1 - we came out of nothing
2 - we created ourselves
3 - something else created us or caused our birth
there is no other possibility, period!

@Yea_Boii

why stick with the concept of Allah in Islam creating the universe as the answer?

1 - there is no other logical exaplaintion. For details, please refer to all that which I’ve written here, allhamdulillah. I don’t want to copy paste it here
2 - that’s because He created us, so why shouldn’t we?

[BanTaleban]

Re: Does Allah exist?

If God is possible then Gods are possible. Because it is all in one's mind.

Being in one's mind and only in one's mind does not make it fictitious.
For example,

Thoughts are only in one's mind, still they are not fictitious.
Memory is only in one's mind, still memory is not fictitious.

Going one step even further, and see the big twist here...

even PERCEPTIONS are only in one's mind, yet they are real!!!

The Hindu concept of maya stems from that last axiom I think

[AllahkaBanda]

Re: Does Allah exist?

^you provide no rational/logical evidence for your claim. Suppose I agree with your hindu concept that everyone is "god", please answer following questions:
1 - did you create yourself?
2 - if everyone is god, how come we are distinct in nature and abilities?
3 - how come people can't solve their problems and suffering?

[flyinkiwi]

That's a valid argument as well. Just because we can't see something, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. But then what's somebody else from claiming aliens as gods or some mythical creatures? since using the same logic, just because you can't see these "gods", it doesnt mean they dont exist.

The thought was that you felt it and every cell in your body responded to the pain. That I guess is extra-ordinary in itself.

[BanTaleban]

Re: Does Allah exist?

Allakabhanda:

1) Your question presupposes God should create God. People do create people. Doesn't that prove people are God?

2) Your 2nd question presupposes that all Gods must have same nature and ability. What do you base that on? BTW Hindu concept does not say all Gods must have same nature an ability except core goodness

3) Your 3rd question presupposes that Gods should solve their problems and sufferings. But being Gods, aren't problems and sufferings God's making as well? So why should Gods try to solve ANYTHING?

If somebody has a child with a disease they can assist the child's body to fight of that disease but they can not themselves make it go away

[Iconoclast]

it is a trick question.

If Allah is God and if there is a God, by definition he/she/it cannot 'exist'.

Existence only makes sense when there is non-existence. God by definition is above all that crap. Because when you say a glass is full, you are also saying it can be, could have been and could become empty or unfull.

To go one step further,

Anything that exists cannot be God, because God cannot be bound by rules of existence and non-existence.

Which is why the Hindu understanding of God makes a lot of sense which is you are God. If you are not, God is not. The acknowledgement of things most personal

Okay rephrase the question

Is there a God?

[psyah]

If God is possible then Gods are possible. Because it is all in one's mind.

Being in one's mind and only in one's mind does not make it fictitious. For example,

Thoughts are only in one's mind, still they are not fictitious. Memory is only in one's mind, still memory is not fictitious.

Going one step even further, and see the big twist here...

even PERCEPTIONS are only in one's mind, yet they are real!!!

The Hindu concept of maya stems from that last axiom I think

We are imperfect but we can perceive the idea of perfection.

There are no perceptions that can entertain more than one God complete with the understanding of what it means to have God; because to have anything other than 1 God is imperfection, because inevitably 1 God is either working with another to make and sustain the universe or they are competing with one another.

[psyah]

it is a trick question.

If Allah is God and if there is a God, by definition he/she/it cannot 'exist'.

Existence only makes sense when there is non-existence. God by definition is above all that crap. Because when you say a glass is full, you are also saying it can be, could have been and could become empty or unfull.

To go one step further,

Anything that exists cannot be God, because God cannot be bound by rules of existence and non-existence.

Which is why the Hindu understanding of God makes a lot of sense which is you are God. If you are not, God is not. The acknowledgement of things most personal

Peace

The primary elements to your reasoning are sound then you make major errors in conclusion.

In fact if you look in Islamic scriptures it clearly states that God is One, and God is First and so on, but it's really only people who say "before God there was nothing" which is a fallacious statement because it implies that 'before God' has a tangible meaning, which if God is First it does not carry that meaning.

But then to conclude that anything that exists cannot be God is also wrong but existence has a common understanding and it often used in a convenient manner. When we say "Does God Exist?" We really only use the phrase out of convenience not out of something that can be reasoned philosophically in and of itself.

Rather you should conclude that therefore we should not say that God exists in the sense that we exist and leave it at that.

You said:

Which is why the Hindu understanding of God makes a lot of sense which is you are God. If you are not, God is not.

This statement is not superior to the Islamic understanding of God. Because when there was nothing according to your definition 'if you are not, God is not' then it is possible for God to be not. This in itself is as bad as saying that God exists.

As I said ... God is First ... to say anything else is wrong and cannot be reasoned. In other words to assume that God cannot be i.e. for there to be 0 Gods, or for there to be > 1 God is subject to error and theological problems.

[psyah]

Please share atleast 1 reason which convinces you about the existence of Allah as defined in Islamic scripture. I have my doubts and wanted to know what other ppl's idea of Allah's existence was.

To be convinced of Allah (SWT) will not be found in scripture. The purpose of scripture is to remind, warn, strengthen will power, hope and faith but not to necessarily to provide that faith or that belief.

Belief is found in the heart

Listen to your heart and you will find your reason to believe in God.

[BanTaleban]

Re: Does Allah exist?

psyah -

I have no major issues with 1 God theory or many Gods theory. it all works out to be the same ultimately.

I also have no issues with Hindu concept of God and illusiosn being superior or inferrior to that of anyother including that os Islam. Again because these things change nothing

I also have no issues saying God Exists and God does not Exist since together that is completion. Untrained minds may see it as contradiction which is where all the arguments occur

[BanTaleban]

Okay rephrase the question

Is there a God?

IMO YES.

Are there 2 Gods?

IMO YES

Are there N Gods?

IMO YES

Does it mean there are 0 Gods?

IMO YES

My point is not to be facetious but very seriously speaking, if there is no God, it is impossibel to thing God does not exist, so there is.

Try thinking of something that does not exist in absolute terms. You can't

[d-tox.ed]

I don't blame Allah for anything neither do I credit him because for me he does not exist. Give me one good reason why I should, other than a 1400 hundred year old book which is obviuosly very well written. If that book had never happened would you still believe in Allah ? I'd rather believe in publications which are more recent and makes sense to me. The newer publications does not warn me that if I don't believe in it then I will rot in imaginary Hell.

well after 40 or 50 years you will come back to me with the same lame excuse that the books I read 40 or 50 years ago are now out dated...

Holy Quran is a living book for me. It is not outdated. It addresses the issues as same as it used to 1400 years ago however we are starting to understand this world much better now then 1400 years ago hence this reflects some of the vereses Quran holds.