Re: Does Allah exist?
TO ME...................God is a creation of a genius human mind and if ppl a can hear God talking to them.......in realworld, it's just chemicals in one's mind going out of whack !
Re: Does Allah exist?
The questioner is asking what convinces you to believe in Allah . If he wanted any kind of logic used by others to prove the existence of Allah , he can google it himself.
I ask myself this question many many times and come up with my own answers , here is one of the answers.
Who tells the same DNA to become a hair , an eye , a finger , a blood cell or your heart ? Science as yet does not have a definitive answer to how genetic blue print works and how it all happens. I go to that level of granularity and believe that , the force which makes a DNA to behave in one way or the other cannot be someone other than Allah.
The other one is that I want to be one of those who do not want to be the loser after I die. How so ?
If Allah exists and I did not believed in Allah I would be a loser. If Allah does not exist and I die believing in him I lose nothing , do I ?
One more, who guides many generation of Monarch Butterflies to a certain migration path , season after season ? Many of their generation die in the process of migration but they never deviate from that certain path.
They have this map ingrained in their DNA which leads them to this migration route for millions of years.
Who programmed this tiny creature to achieve such a scientific feat ?
BTW…Just last night on NPR, I heard that migration patterns are changing due to global warming…Did you know that “Bats are blind but they still can fly around” If you ask a mullah…he will give you his convincing version and if you ask the scientists, they will give theirs…It’s upto, you whom to believe !
BTW.....Just last night on NPR, I heard that migration patterns are changing due to global warming.......Did you know that "Bats are blind but they still can fly around" If you ask a mullah....he will give you his convincing version and if you ask the scientists, they will give theirs.....It's upto, you whom to believe !
Here you go if the patterns are changing due to global warming , who is guiding them about that ? Allah ?
Many a times I think about the situation in my own life when I was in a fix and felt like I had no options but to pray . Then all of a sudden things started moving to my advantage , to me that is proof positive of someone at the end of this universe watching over me and taking care of me when I ask for help.
About the bats , science tells us that bats have a built in radar system . OK , I have no issue with that . Now who gave that radar system to those bats ? Evolution ? I don't think so.
I believe in that verse of Sura a Rehman , "And how many bounties/clues of Allah will you deny ?"
Re: Does Allah exist?
Thanks for the respones folks. Let me clarify, that I have no maleolevent intent nor meant any offense by asking this question. My upbringing is of a muslim. But my doubts have grown as I have aged just not about Islam but also religon in general (be it Christianity, Judaism, Hindusim etc). Now let me respond to some of the arguments:
d-toxed: How is Quran proof of Allah's existence? Are you saying its because such a book could not have been written without Allah?
RC, CrimeMaster & Mirch: So the argument here is that we (humans) and other lifeforms are created so perfectly that we have to be created by Allah? Then the same logic would dictate that Allah should also have a creator, right?
Also, Mirch you say: "If Allah exists and I did not believed in Allah I would be a loser. If Allah does not exist and I die believing in him I lose nothing , do I ?"
That's a good point. But then takes me to a tangent where why do you believe in Islam's Allah? why not Judiam's God or Hindu gods? Surely if you believe in ALL of them, then you are playing it even safer.
Re: Does Allah exist?
People should be happy that there are many people who believe (not just by words but by acts) in the existence of Allah, and that HE would prevail justice on the day of judgment. Otherwise there would have been many many more Ghengis khans, Halaku khans and Hitlers in this world, who would enjoy their own life at the cost of killing millions and then die without a trial.
Example :
A man killed 100 men. Justice prevails only if that man is given life 100 times and then killed 100 times, but he dies only once. Who would do justice for the rest of 99 lives ??!
By the way, give me example of any perfectly organized sets of systems in this world without a creator. Any organization ? If even a minor stone can't be moved without a creator how can such a huge set of systems work so perfectly without a creator ?
Thanks for the respones folks. Let me clarify, that I have no maleolevent intent nor meant any offense by asking this question. My upbringing is of a muslim. But my doubts have grown as I have aged just not about Islam but also religon in general (be it Christianity, Judaism, Hindusim etc). Now let me respond to some of the arguments:
RC, CrimeMaster & Mirch: So the argument here is that we (humans) and other lifeforms are created so perfectly that we have to be created by Allah? Then the same logic would dictate that Allah should also have a creator, right?
First off, thanks for clarifying that you are asking this question out of curiosity and you don't intend to be a FITNA like many others on this forum.
Secondly, I know Quran means nothing to a person questioning the very existence of Allah but as a Muslim I feel compelled to present the translation of sura-e-Ikhlas:
Surah Ikhlas (Holy Qur'an 112:1-4):
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him.
And lastly, it is so easy to discredit or invalidate any belief system be it religious or personal because it is always based on someone or something unseen or intangible. You give me any belief of yours and I can, like most here, invalidate it in few lines.
Also, Mirch you say: "If Allah exists and I did not believed in Allah I would be a loser. If Allah does not exist and I die believing in him I lose nothing , do I ?"
That's a good point. But then takes me to a tangent where why do you believe in Islam's Allah? why not Judiam's God or Hindu gods? Surely if you believe in ALL of them, then you are playing it even safer.
We believe in Judaism, Christianity because they also believe in Allah and we share the same ancestor, Prophet Abrahim (PBUH).
Believing Hindus' Lords will be a SHIRK and will directly conflict with primary Islamic belief of oneness of Allah.
Re: Does Allah exist?
CrimeMaster, I don't think you understood my response to you. I think it's a very valid argument that given the complexity of the world, there has to be a creator. But then shouldn't Allah also have a creator?
CrimeMaster, I don't think you understood my response to you. I think it's a very valid argument that given the complexity of the world, there has to be a creator. But then shouldn't Allah also have a creator?
Yaar, there are certain things beyond our mental capability to comprehend. It is part of our faith to believe in them.
I would give you an example. Few jews asked a question from the Prophet (saw). It was immediately forbidden to ask such questions because we can't comprehend it.
You know what was the question ?
Can God make such a big stone that HE HIMSELF is unable to lift ?
You can't say yes to such questions you can't say no, ONLY ALLAH knows. It is beyond our comprehension, that is why Allah sent Prophets to teach us ONLY what we need to know in order to live a successful life.
Re: Does Allah exist?
Let me tell you another question similar to your question but we can't imagine through our mental capabilities.
In one second, Allah (swt) is making millions and millions of creatures. At the same time HE is developing many many children of frogs, children of fishes in their eggs, children of hens in their eggs, children of human in the womb of their mothers, children of birds, children of snakes, children of dogs, children of insects, children of jins.....etc.
HE is doing billions of tasks for infinite years, YET there is NEVER a single mistake. Have you ever heard or seen a dog coming out of an egg of a hen. Have you seen a baby born with a cat face. Have you seen a crocodile born as beautiful as a human. Have you heard or seen any such mistake, NO. WOW! Doesn't God rest for a second. Doesn't HE get tired for a second. How does HE listen to prayers of billions of people at the SAME time and solve their problems NOT one by one but at the same time. WOW. How does HE reads what is written in our heart ? How does HE see in the darkness of the seas in the middle of night.
My mind is unable to understand all this, but then this is not what I should be knowing in order to live a successful life. WHO tells me, the messenger of Allah (swt)
Re: Does Allah exist?
The creation of this earth is very unique. Though the big bang theory might be correct. But tell me one thing.
Let me give you an example. Suppose we all are in a market doing shopping, suddenly there is an explosion of a bomb and we all are fitted in or own respective houses ? Is it possible ? No but you see that after the big bang how come every thing in this world is in such a balance form.
For example. The temperature of earth is too less to develop iron and scientists say that iron was developed somewhere else and after the big bang it was fitted in the earth. Amazing! we can't imagine life without iron, but nature has provided it and other metals and minerals enough for our usage. It is because someone has controlled it.
If the sun moves a bit in the direction of earth, everything would burn, if it moves away from earth everything would freeze. Who has fixed the distance between earth and sun so appropriately
People should be happy that there are many people who believe (not just by words but by acts) in the existence of Allah, and that HE would prevail justice on the day of judgment. Otherwise there would have been many many more Ghengis khans, Halaku khans and Hitlers in this world, who would enjoy their own life at the cost of killing millions and then die without a trial.
Example :
A man killed 100 men. Justice prevails only if that man is given life 100 times and then killed 100 times, but he dies only once. Who would do justice for the rest of 99 lives ??!
By the way, give me example of any perfectly organized sets of systems in this world without a creator. Any organization ? If even a minor stone can't be moved without a creator how can such a huge set of systems work so perfectly without a creator ?
BTW Sir.......Off Lately, religion is the number one cause of thousands of ppl getting killed without trial.
Here you go if the patterns are changing due to global warming , who is guiding them about that ? Allah ? Many a times I think about the situation in my own life when I was in a fix and felt like I had no options but to pray . Then all of a sudden things started moving to my advantage , to me that is proof positive of someone at the end of this universe watching over me and taking care of me when I ask for help.
About the bats , science tells us that bats have a built in radar system . OK , I have no issue with that . Now who gave that radar system to those bats ? Evolution ? I don't think so.
I believe in that verse of Sura a Rehman , "And how many bounties/clues of Allah will you deny ?"
You can credit Allah for everything happening in this world but then don't fall back on science for answers......For you,....... Allah makes the heart beat and not involuntary muscles.....and I bet that's what they believed 1200 years ago. What I think is....If God existed, and he created everything in this world then why in the world would he make humans kill other humans........not even animals kill their counterpart. You can brag about Allah creating migration patterns in birds and what not all day....but how about bragging about religious nuts killing women and children for crazy reasons. If I was God and I could do anything and everything in the world, I would make it perfect.....hence that's the strongest reason for me to not to believe in God. Now some ppl come up with "life is a test crap" which is far too fetched for me to believe in. What's the fun in participating in a test, when you are not sure if there is going to be a result/ reward ? I was born in a religious family but in the last few years I have drifted away from religion....there are far too many things which prove that the earth was not created in 7 days, 3000 years ago. I have always thought that religion always kept me at bay from doing bad things, and staying on track but I guess, it can be done without religion as well.
The creation of this earth is very unique. Though the big bang theory might be correct. But tell me one thing.
Let me give you an example. Suppose we all are in a market doing shopping, suddenly there is an explosion of a bomb and we all are fitted in or own respective houses ? Is it possible ? No but you see that after the big bang how come every thing in this world is in such a balance form.
For example. The temperature of earth is too less to develop iron and scientists say that iron was developed somewhere else and after the big bang it was fitted in the earth. Amazing! we can't imagine life without iron, but nature has provided it and other metals and minerals enough for our usage. It is because someone has controlled it.
If the sun moves a bit in the direction of earth, everything would burn, if it moves away from earth everything would freeze. Who has fixed the distance between earth and sun so appropriately
That is what my point is.........Everything is in balance, and that's is why we exist. You cannot find polar bears in Africa or Lions at the North pole.... because we adapt to our environment. Maybe a millions of year from now, the average temp on earth will be 200 degrees F, and we may adapted to live in that temp. Pretty much like viruses, they get used to a specific drug and the drugs become ineffective overtime. Nobody has to put things into balance......eventually things evolve to form a balance.
Let me tell you another question similar to your question but we can't imagine through our mental capabilities.
In one second, Allah (swt) is making millions and millions of creatures. At the same time HE is developing many many children of frogs, children of fishes in their eggs, children of hens in their eggs, children of human in the womb of their mothers, children of birds, children of snakes, children of dogs, children of insects, children of jins.....etc.
HE is doing billions of tasks for infinite years, YET there is NEVER a single mistake. Have you ever heard or seen a dog coming out of an egg of a hen. Have you seen a baby born with a cat face. Have you seen a crocodile born as beautiful as a human. Have you heard or seen any such mistake, NO. WOW! Doesn't God rest for a second. Doesn't HE get tired for a second. How does HE listen to prayers of billions of people at the SAME time and solve their problems NOT one by one but at the same time. WOW. How does HE reads what is written in our heart ? How does HE see in the darkness of the seas in the middle of night.
My mind is unable to understand all this, but then this is not what I should be knowing in order to live a successful life. WHO tells me, the messenger of Allah (swt)
We did not know answers to millions of questions 1400 years ago but we can answer many of them with the help science these days....we know how babies are born how they feed themselves in the womb etc etc....So for whatever we don't have answers for...we shd credit Allah for it....That's what you think right ?
The reason I posted the article was that a Book like Quran cannot be words of a Human being who lived 1400 years ago.
The prophecies I mentioned in post which are no doubt fulfiled is a prime example that there is a divine power who has control over everything.
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BTW Sir.......Off Lately, religion is the number one cause of thousands of ppl getting killed without trial.
Allah has a LAW called nature. A sudden death can be blamed on nature not on ALLAH. "EVERY SOUL SHALL TASTE THE DEATH" some may early some may later. If you think of this logically if everyone startes living on this earth for 100 years then you ll probably run out of space very soon.
When a disease kill a man then do you blame that to Allah?
When people are killed in WARS do you blame Allah?
Every religion teaches Love and Harmony. We are all created by him. The religion on other hand is just a guide book nothing more nothing less. If someone thinks being a Muslim you will be more dearer to Allah then Jew then its a wrong perception. Allah says you come towards me I will come towards you and you walk towards me and I will run towards you.
Religion is not number one casue of deaths in world. Religion is usually given a bad name due to some extremists.
CrimeMaster, I don't think you understood my response to you. I think it's a very valid argument that given the complexity of the world, there has to be a creator. But then shouldn't Allah also have a creator?
Try to look at it in this way, there are many scientific "theories" that are yet to be proven experimentally but they are accepted as long as they answer a particular problem AND none other adequately explain a problem/phenomenon. Concept of God in itself entails that it does need a creator but exists without a creator. This is a philosophical argument that explains the existence of universe while none others do.
HE is doing billions of tasks for infinite years, YET there is NEVER a single mistake. Have you ever heard or seen a dog coming out of an egg of a hen. Have you seen a baby born with a cat face. Have you seen a crocodile born as beautiful as a human.
there's never a mistake? well then how about human babies born with gentic defects? or many many species that never survived thorugh the times (dinosaurs for example)?
Detox, the prophecies that you mentioned in your post were very vague in nature and based on lax intreperation they are/were bound to be validated in sometime in the future. Also; then using the same logic, is einstein considered a god as well? his scientific theories were specific and are still used as of this day.