Do you think this is appropriate?

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Re: Do you think this is appropriate?

@psyah

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We can’t question the motives of those who convert because there is no such process in Islam. We don’t convert … we give dawah. Those who say convert now to others if it is true are wrong.

I am sure thats a fine point and that we can safely assume the dawat givers to be procedurally correct without fundamentally changing the objections of those who do object to this. What feels like a difference to the initiated is not one to the outsider, perhaps the molvies were saying it is dawa without the reporter realising the distinction between that and asking patients to convert.

Look this hadith cannot alone allow ahkam to be drawn from it. If anyone does so it would be wrong. The question about the Jewish boy and his relationship with RasoolAllah would at least make us assume that he was fully aware of RasoolAllah (SAW) and who he (SAW) was. The hadith does not detail any previous dialogue the child had with RasoolAllah (SAW). The hadith also does not tell us to do the same - rather it states simply something that was done by RasoolAllah (SAW). It’s not only because of the special status of Muhammad (SAW) that makes the interpretation specific.

Alrite. Its the only one I could find specifically about talking about conversion when someone is sick. It is quite possible that the Prophet had been preaching to him beforehand.

Let’s use reason … How many people will be able to make a conscious decision about faith when they are either in desperate pain or in some sort of psychological agony? And if they did convert in this state would that not be cause for them to convert back when they were better?

Are you not doing exactly what the Sahabi did that the Prophet was so against? This was the point of giving the point of the person who said the kalima out of fear. Even if its likely that the decision is not a deeply considered one, one can argue that it is not our place to insist upon conditions for conversion.

I’m not in the game of things being “interpreted both ways” if you get 100 random people together to read the Qur’an they will interpret the verses in different ways. The only way that matters is the one of scholarly consensus..

Ah but even consensus has its struggles with relativism. Im positive that the majority opinion within the set of clerics these gentlemen follow will sanction their practice.