Do you think this is appropriate?

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Would it be worth it if such methods accomplished even a modest success rate? Or do you think people should be allowed to die in peace?

http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/pakistan-news/Regional/Karachi/01-Apr-2011/Convert-or-go-to-hell-tablighis-tell--nonMuslim-patients-at-govt-hospitals

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This

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“Brother, you must denounce your infidel ways. Kalma parhein (recite the Kalma),” they told the young man who was barely conscious and obviously in immense pain. “Become a Muslim, and god will forgive you all your transgressions against him. Die a Muslim!”
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reminds me of the last scene of the Moive Braveheart, when the English were torturing the rebel Scottish leader and telling him that if he denounce his path and they'll make the death easy on him...

Some people have made religion a joke

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As far as giving invitation to enter and accept islam is neither a joke nor a fun to make. But yes I do agree here that the practice could be wrong here, the action and the place where invitation has been given might be not the correct place.

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^^ The way the noble religion is be preached it is a joke....

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In my opinion we as the muslim ummah represent Islam, which reflects on how people preserve Islam. The most beloved prophets of all has tough us the best mannerisms, such as kindness, sincerity, helpfulness and so forth. You read a lot on how people just respected or converted because of the prophets’ kindness and so forth. For example, woman who through garbage on him every
time he passed her house to walk to the mosque, when one day she did not he enquired about her, on learning she was ill he visited her.

Abu Huraira (ra) said “The prophet (saw) was asked to curse the disbelievers. He said, “I have not been sent to curse people but as a mercy to all mankind “. (Muslim)

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This is a myth that even Muslims believe in. But it’s not their fault. That is what they’ve been hearing for long. The truth however is that any person who accepts Islam under any sort of compulsion or for any social reason doesn’t become a Muslim at all. His conversion is completely invalid. Islam is about believing that there is only one God and He is the Almighty and Supreme; and that Muhammad (PBUH) was God’s last and final messenger sent to mankind. Any person who doesn’t believe this from the core of his heart is not a Muslim.

What’s amazing is that Islam doesn’t allow me to ask someone to become a Muslim at all. I have no right to ask someone to embrace Islam. Forget me, even Mohammed (PBUH), the messenger of God was never sent to ask someone to convert. His only job was to explain what Islam actually is. A Muslim can only spread the message of Islam; i.e. Oneness of God and invite people. It is up to the individuals whether they accept the message or not. No individual can be forced to accept Islam. This is very clear from the following verses.

“There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the right path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in false deities and believes in God, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And God is All-Hearer, All-Knower.”
[Quran 2:256]

The verse makes it very clear. There just can’t be any compulsion in matter of religion. The truth stands distinct from the false. It is up to each individual to judge and decide between the right and the wrong with an open heart and a non-prejudiced mind. And that is what God wants you to do; to search out the truth. God doesn’t give you a chance to say that, “I was born a non-Muslim. It is not my fault.” You have learnt how to read and you have enough brains to judge between right and wrong. Here is a religion that stands out differently from others.

I know many Muslims leaders and clerics who think that conversions are a good way of increasing the strength of the community. This probably comes as a competition to the Christian Missionaries. But that is not what God wants from us. God says in Quran,

“If it had been thy Lord’s will, they would all have believed, -all who are on earth! Wilt thou then compel mankind against their will to believe!”
[Quran 10:99]

So it is very clear that there is no compulsion in Islam. You just can’t ask anyone to accept Islam; forget about forcing someone. You can only explain the message of Islam, and it is to the individual to decide what is right and what is wrong.

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That's disgusting. Rasoolallah (saw) never went up to people and told them "oh sup Isaai foo'.. Repeat after me, la ilaha.." Even the story of that lady who would throw rubbish on him and stopped because she was on her deathbed, Rasoolallah (saw) didn't tell her to convert, did he?

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“We wish they’d leave us alone,” Zain’s father maintained. “If my son wanted to convert, he would have done so on his own. What’s the point of harassing someone who is obviously already in pain? Whose god would allow that?”
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Quoted for truth.

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n fact, if you go back in history, the very first problem the new Muslims faced was that they didn’t have ‘Freedom of Religion’. Meccans were idol worshippers. When Islam came up and the idea of ‘One God’ was presented to them, they rejected it completely. This is because their prosperity was directly linked to those 300 idols. People from all over Arabia would come to Mecca for pilgrimage. This concept of ‘One God’ in that city would have badly affected their pockets. Hence they would just not allow any such concept to prevail. This was the reason the early Muslims were tortured cruelly. The lower class of the society faced it the most. Mohammed (PBUH) had to finally ask some early converts to leave Mecca and migrate to Abyssinia, which was under Christian rule; otherwise the Meccans would have tortured them to death. So how you even conceive the idea that a religion that itself faced a lot and itself asked for ‘Freedom of religion’, could have forced so many people to accept it?

Even after Islam expanded and came up as a power, this ‘freedom of religion’ was granted to every citizen of the Islamic state. Even when Jewish cities were captured, we know that their scriptures if found in any building were handled with care and returned to the Jewish priests.

I don’t deny that some small-time Muslim ruler here and there might have tried to enforce the religion on his subjects; as was the custom in medieval times. But if you look at the larger empires, nowhere do you find such compulsion.

Muslims ruled Spain for over 800 years. Nobody there was forced to accept Islam. The Muslims were so powerful in those days that it would have been easy to put a sword on each and every citizen’s head and ask him to convert, else die. It was after 800 years that the Christian emperors captured Spain again.

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Now these were about ‘captured’ territories. Let us speak about Arabian peninsula. It’s the birth place of Islam. Muslims have been the lords of Arabia for over 1400 years now. Out of the 340million population in Arabia, there are still roughly 17 million Arabs who have been Christians since generations. Had the Muslims used sword, there would not have been a single non-Muslim Arab. Add to these the enormous population that has shifted to Arabia in last so many years. It includes so many Indians, Americans and people of various faiths and cultures.

The problem is people don’t look at the global picture. There are many places where a Muslim army never even entered. Indonesia and Malaysia have the largest Muslim population in the world. Who forced them to accept Islam? Islam has also spread rapidly on Eastern coast of Africa. We know for sure that no Muslim army ever entered these regions. Even today, an average of 40 people in USA and 27 in UK accept Islam every day. Which army is forcing them to convert? They convert in spite of all the myths and misconceptions in their societies against Islam.
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The fact is that the very simplicity of the religion and the truth & correctness of the message has been enough to influence people all over the world. All that one needs is to look thoroughly at Islam with an open heart and a non-prejudiced mind. To end this, let me quote to you a famous historian, De Lacy O’Leary, from his book ‘Islam at the cross road.**

“History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myth that historians have ever repeated.”

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Since everyone here is agreeing that its a bad practice, let me play devils advocate. What if, with this method of preaching, with the hope of forgiveness they offer to dying patients, some of those who convert do convert in truth for forgiveness? In such a case they are saving a soul from Hell no? For those who dont convert and are distressed by the molvie sahibs, surely that is only the beginning of their torment..

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WTF. This is insane. WHO in their bloody right mind thinks this is right in the name of religion, common sense or anything at all. Bloody murderers.

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No no.. no murder. I think you might have misinterpreted the headline :D

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I got put off by the lack of scholarly accuracy in the article:

http://www.pakstudy.com/index.php?topic=8027.msg8672#msg8672
The brothers in green turbans are Dawat e Islami (Barelvi Qadris)

These brothers/sisters are Tablighi Jamat

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Inshallah Talibanic-menace & their supporters will rot in hell for eternity....

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you are a taliban...a beardless taliban. lol

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i can be gay... but not a khariji .. !

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I guess anyone can be.

gay/happy

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Did tablighi folks go the slum areas where the bhangies of Pakistan live and tried to convert them ? Tablighies go to England , America, Brazil etc etc. but those slum areas are too far for them to go and try to convert those poor souls in those areas. I never heard of a Jamaat go to any of those area and preach to those folks.

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so anyone who drinks bhang and lives in a slum area in pakistan needs to be converted to Islam? What if most of them are already muslim?

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Believe me brother, they don't leave any area. I had voluntarily gone with them to those areas you are talking of, in Sindh. Those 40 days were the most difficult times in my life in every aspect, lack of food, comfort, drinkable water, washroom, smell, dust, dangerous wild dogs...etc. but still they (from rich family backgrounds) ignored their own sufferings and focused on encouraging good and discouraging bad, with wisdom. Haven't seen as selfless and dedicated people in my life. Just heard about them (Suhabas). Teaching 'kalima' to people who think they are Muslim but don't know the name of their prophet...Needs a lot of patience and efforts.

p.s. Psyah is right. This thread is about green turbans who are not tableeghis.