If chances of something happening are always 50/50 how would you know that it wasn’t chance, but prayers that something happened?
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just one question for now: so we are selfish enough to believe that god chooses to answer ME instead of the various other people asking for things. and then the thing i ask for is granted to me without consideration of the effect it might have on others involved. And say another person is asking for something that makes it impossible for YOUR dua to be heard. Who does god listen to 
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^ problem has no solution. # of equations << # of variables
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Not always 50/50. But that is another topic.
Regarding your question no one can really be sure.
Prayer may or may never get a person what the person asks for. And it really does not matter to and should never matter to anyone who prays.
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It is the act of asking to unseen God which matters.**
Why? It makes the person humble. And it makes the person not to be dependent on any other person.
Remind you: Prayer alone is never promoted in Islam to get something. Struggle and good approach along with prayer is.
Also it is mentioned that it is still up to God to provide and whomsoever he wishes to provide, for whatever reason(s).
**There maybe some people who would ask for immediate gratification without knowing the consequences but God may know far ahead and may not grant their wish by prayer, and may provide something else which would even be better for that person.
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If you believe in God you would know it would be someone who God would prefers to be happy with the wish being granted.
Very simple concept there.
See, if you do not believe in God, you would continue to come up with all sort of questions and will always be confused. 
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I came here to answer the questions raised in this interesting thread and found diwana had already done the needful.
Thanks diwana for saving me all the typing :D
Re: Do you think God answers your payers?
I came here to answer the questions raised in this interesting thread and found diwana had already done the needful.
Thanks diwana for saving me all the typing :D
Shukriyah Janab! :)
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Not always 50/50.
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So, what is the rate of your prayers being answered 80/20? Do tell.
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Regarding your question no one can really be sure.
Prayer may or may never get a person what the person asks for. And it really does not matter to and should never matter to anyone who prays.
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Isn't action=equal results otherwise what is the point of praying?
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It is the act of asking to unseen God which matters.
Why? It makes the person humble. And it makes the person not to be dependent on any other person.
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Asking God for something makes you humble? You can be humble w/o praying.
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Remind you: Prayer alone is never promoted in Islam to get something. Struggle and good approach along with prayer is.
Also it is mentioned that it is still up to God to provide and whomsoever he wishes to provide, for whatever reason(s).
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In that case, God will do whatever he wants. So, what is the point of praying...unless people believe that they can alter metaphysical world?
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So, what is the rate of your prayers being answered 80/20? Do tell.
The rate is 100 %. All prayers are heard and answered but their acceptance has three levels:
- We get exactly what we asked for.
- What we asked for is something harmful for us and we ask it without the knowledge, so God replaces it with better options.
- You do not get what you asked or a replacement in this life but it is saved to be rewarded you in life hereafter where it will last forever whereas whatever you get in this world is for a limited period of time and may last until you die at the most.
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^^^ Sorry that teleological answer to philosophical question. The point is that is there is no proof that your payers are mere chance or are actually being answered b/c its always 50/50.
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^^^ Sorry that teleological answer to philosophical question. The point is that is there is no proof that your payers are mere chance or are actually being answered b/c its always 50/50.
Ofcourse there is no proof. Its faith!
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Yes 100%, because I pray to give me what is good for me. If I don't get any of my dua accepted, then I consider that was not good for me.
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^^^ Sorry that teleological answer to philosophical question. The point is that is there is no proof that your payers are mere chance or are actually being answered b/c its always 50/50.
Peace Shamraz Khan
This is where statistics is not only wrongly used, but simply wrong. First of all, what does 50/50 mean? It does not translate to what you think ... it does not mean that there are only two options Heads and Tails of a coin toss ... because the assumption is that the coin is an unbiased coin. It infers there is no conscious effort towards one or the other and that there is no intelligence in the outcome, favouring one over the other. The idea of a 50/50 chance applied to God is a sign of not fully understanding God ... The Wise ... and Just ... These Attributes are vehicles that allow us to understand that certain questions would be absurd to entertain because they would destroy the premise of the God concept, before even attempting to answer them.
God does not do things by chance !!!
Secondly, statistics is a tool for possibility - it is not a means to determine certain things that DO actually happen. For example before the Titanic set sail the chances for it to sink were very small. When it sank it became a 100% possibility - i.e. an actuality ... because the event had happened. So you see the profile of a statistic in effect is transitory it may start off at a point in time to be insignificant but through a sequence of transitions it becomes more likely because it is travelling to a point it is destined to travel. God is not bound by transition !!!
God not only does not play dice ... like Einstein says, but God is also Himself not subject to chance and for God the past, present and future are the same ...
Now in terms of answering prayers ... The answers is God chooses - If a request is made to be fulfilled literally, in a similar kind, immediately or delayed ...
His Choices are due to His Wisdom ...
It may be He wants the requester to continue earning reward for asking - and therefore He may Choose not to fulfill the literal request so the act of supplication continues. It may be He sees the fulfilling of the request would lead to hardship for the supplicator and not fulfil it ... He may test a person by fulfilling their wish and seeing if they are going to be grateful to Him or simply boast about being self-sufficient ... Many people pray to God when in danger, but when they are safe they turn on their heels ... So fulfilling a request may not translate to being the best thing for them ...
Here the crucial prinicple is Thanks for being given bounties of this world are due to Him and even in tests our patience would be well rewarded ... From here you can see the matter is far more complex than you are portraying it and hence I conclude that your question is absurd ...
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^^^ Sorry, you're confusing chance/luck with probability. Chance is based on likelihood of event taking place where probably measures % of something happening. When someone says 50/50 it never means 50%...it means that likelihood of event taking is 50/50 (ie either God answered your payers or things happened b/c voodoo lady was squeezing goat's nuts). And, that was my original question, too.
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^^^ Sorry, you're confusing chance/luck with probability. Chance is based on likelihood of event taking place where probably measures % of something happening. When someone says 50/50 it never means 50%...it means that likelihood of event taking is 50/50 (ie either God answered your payers or things happened b/c voodoo lady was squeezing goat's nuts). And, that was my original question, too.
Probability is equivalent to chance and you have defined them above in the same way ... But you still want me to accept that they are different?
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If chances of something happening are always 50/50 how would you know that it wasn't chance, but prayers that something happened?
Well the chances of something happening aren't always 50/50, ex. the chance of me winning the lottery is much lower than that. However, I get what you're trying to ask.
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just one question for now: so we are selfish enough to believe that god chooses to answer ME instead of the various other people asking for things.
As Q said to Captain Picard -* How little do you mortals understand time. Must you be so linear, Jean-Luc? *
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If chances of something happening are always 50/50 how would you know that it wasn't chance, but prayers that something happened?
allah fixed your problem already.. he says "adopt what is clear and leave with is ambiguous"
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not a good enough answer, seriously. these are things to think about rather than just brushing them off.
If God is logical and rational, then the way we view dua makes him a bit illogical and irrational.
my only question is: which one is he
logical or illogical
everywhere or on his throne?
angry or loving?
merciful or a tormentor
wants us to seek knowledge or doesnt even want us to question?
wants to prayed to or doesnt need our prayers
: )
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If God is logical and rational, then the way we view dua makes him a bit illogical and irrational.
First of all, God's logic and our logic are two diff things. Do you compare logic of toddler with that of an adult person? so we cant see his logic. Second, how is that our views of Dua makes him look illogical?