Do you talk to the dead?

[redvelvet]

@diwana

Tunnel vision?

Where did I mention Indian?

It is shown in Pakistani Movies too when woman talks to dead "munnay Ke Abba'.

Regardless, the normal statement could be" Wish he/she was here to see this" Again here the person is not 'talking to' the dead.

Normal statement? Language has room for flexibility.

If you are by yourself....(no other person is around)....and you miss a deceased loved one.....it makes sense to say the sentence either way. You can use the words he/she....or you can use "you." Either of them make sense.

If I'm waiting for a friend to arrive......you might mutter to yourself "Gosh, where is she?" or you can say "Gosh, where are you?" Either would work.

[Khumar]

Re: Do you talk to the dead?

Would the wall talk back? Is it supposed to talk back? I know it doesn't reply back. Indian soaps and Pakistanis drama do it. So it must be ok.

[zobia]

Re: Do you talk to the dead?

may be…sometimes…to quaid-e-Azams pic

[redvelvet]

@Khumar

Would the wall talk back? Is it supposed to talk back? I know it doesn't reply back. Indian soaps and Pakistanis drama do it.** So it must be ok.**

Maybe I'm wrong but I sense mocking. Anyhow, not everything shown in soaps is realistic or logical.....nor should every action you see on TV be copied. But media (TV, books, etc) can and are used as references. And they are often based upon real life/emotions and situations that can be related to.

Something done to an extreme is neither normal nor healthy. But occasional thinking out loud (IMO) is not such a big deal.

[Khumar]

@redvelvet

Why only confine it to Hindus?

Like also in Pakistani dramas where a character has a lost a loved one and says out loud that "I wish you were here....I wish you could see this. Look at what you've left behind." The character is in an emotional state....and such "talking" only lasts a while......he/she is usually not depicted as a clinically crazy person. And there's not a garland in sight.

Stop being so tunnel visioned.

@redvelvet

Khumar....so far, I haven't talked to a dead person. Still, I don't find the idea all that unusual unless it's done to an extreme.

The "talking" doesn't necessarily mean that the person thinks that the dead can hear or that there are ghosts. It could just be a reflection that you miss the person and wish they were there. For example....let's say someone's mother passed away.....and they say, "Oh Ammi I wish you were here....and I wish you could see this." I don't think that's crazy. I see that as human nature.

Now once again...if it's done to an EXTREME....then it would be a greater cause for concern.

@redvelvet

Maybe I'm wrong but I sense mocking. Anyhow, not everything shown in soaps is realistic or logical.....nor should every action you see on TV be copied. But media (TV, books, etc) can and are used as references. And they are often based upon real life/emotions and situations that can be related to.

anyone else confused?

[diwana]

@redvelvet

Normal statement? Language has room for flexibility.

If you are by yourself....(no other person is around)....and you miss a deceased loved one.....it makes sense to say the sentence either way. You can use the words he/she....or you can use "you." Either of them make sense.

If I'm waiting for a friend to arrive......you might mutter to yourself "Gosh, where is she?" or you can say "Gosh, where are you?" Either would work.

Sure. It would make perfect sense to a paagal. I did not deny it.

Again: Talking to dead, walls, imaginary friend is paagal pun. Temporary or not. For some it may make sense but it is not normal.

Other off topic point:
Talking to self being alone 'ocassionally' may be OK since you are still alive and have brain with thoughts and at times conflicting/opposing thoughts in complex situations. You are not dead and have feelings hence it is not so bad only if done ocassionally.

Either you are deliberately arguing or somehow I feel I am talking to wall here, sorry.

[redvelvet]

@diwana

[quote="redvelvet"]

Normal statement? Language has room for flexibility.

If you are by yourself....(no other person is around)....and you miss a deceased loved one.....it makes sense to say the sentence either way. You can use the words he/she....or you can use "you." Either of them make sense.

If I'm waiting for a friend to arrive......you might mutter to yourself "Gosh, where is she?" or you can say "Gosh, where are you?" Either would work./QUOTE]

Sure. It would make perfect sense to a paagal. I did not deny it.

Again: Talking to dead, walls, imaginary friend is paagal pun. Temporary or not. For some it may make sense but it is not normal.

Other off topic point: Talking to self being alone 'ocassionally' may be OK since you are still alive and have brain with thoughts and at times conflicting/opposing thoughts in complex situations. You are not dead and have feelings hence it is not so bad only if done ocassionally.

Either you are deliberately arguing or somehow I feel I am talking to wall here, sorry.

First of all, I didn't encourage talking to walls or imaginary friends. I only used those examples to show that talking/communication can be one-sided. That's it. That's all that I was trying to point out.

As far as "imaginary friends" are concerned..........that is such a normal part of child's play. Children talk out loud to themselves and pretend to be multiple characters during play. It's part of their development. If an adult does this......then, yes, it would be considered strange. ******One has to consider the situation before rushing to label someone "pagal".

Deliberately arguing? No, I'm discussing the possible scenarios for an action. I'm not jumping to the conclusion that someone would be "crazy" because they felt like thinking out loud. At the same time, I also mentioned that anything done in excess is not normal or healthy.

"Sure. It would make perfect sense to a paagal. I did not deny it." In that case.....judging by your nick, "Diwana".....you'd know all about pagalpan. Yes, I feel the same way....it's like talking to a brick wall.

[diwana]

@redvelvet

I didn't encourage talking to walls or imaginary friends. I only used those examples to show that talking can be one-sided. That's it.

As far as "imaginary friends" are concerned..........that is such a normal part of child's play. Children talk out loud to themselves and pretend to be multiple characters during play. It's part of their development. If an adult does this......then, yes, it would be considered strange. ******One has to consider the situation before rushing to label someone "pagal".

Deliberately arguing? No, I'm discussing the possible scenarios for an action. I'm not jumping to the conclusion that someone would be "crazy" because they felt like thinking out loud. At the same time, I also mentioned that anything done in excess is not normal or healthy.

Who said anything about encouraging or not encouraging?

So now we are going in to child psychology.:)

At least you came to the point of calling it strange. Keep working in this direction a little more. Good start.
You write something and slowly back track or refute yourself after so many posts.... Not bad.

No one said anything about thinking aloud either. It is the talking to.....those items you mentioned which according to you make sense is paagal pun!

[redvelvet]

@diwana

[quote="redvelvet"]

So now we are going in to child psychology.:)

At least you came to the point of calling it strange. Keep working in this direction a little more. Good start You write something and slowly back track or refute yourself after so many posts.... Not bad.

You seem to take this issue in a very literal way. As if you picture a person having full blown gupshup or conversation with someone that is deceased....on a frequent basis. Something like that would be strange. I've already mentioned that excess is not normal.

But occasionally thinking out loud ...(IMO) is not crazy. For some individuals it provides emotional release. Things are either black or white with you. There's no room to consider various possibilities, factors, and situations. Not bad.

[Khumar]

Re: Do you talk to the dead?

child having pretend friends ≠ talking out loud ≠ talking to dead ≠ talking to God.

i think we're about to get to a point where talking to someone through msn is not the same thing as talking to that person through skype vs talking to that person face to face.

[diwana]

Re: Do you talk to the dead?

^ Exactly.

[zobia]

@diwana

Sure. It would make perfect sense to a paagal. I did not deny it.

Again: Talking to dead, walls, imaginary friend is paagal pun. Temporary or not. For some it may make sense but it is not normal.

there is a difference between talking and seeing the dead, alive, or having imaginary friends.

in order to talk to someone you dont require their physical presence, all you need is some clue to feel their presence. such as in namaz...we cant see see ALLAH SWT (cuz he is way bigger than our imagination), but we can feel HIM, cuz even our hand just form HIS "Ism". similarly, sherysh mentioned her being talking to his dada's pic. that pic signifies the signification of a reference, which is of her dada.
another example i can give you is of a police. you act upon laws and follow every regulation cuz you think that may be someone is watching you.

these visualization ideas cant be summarize in a single thread. they are lot more complex than you think...may be you call them paagal pun but this is how human mind process.

[Khumar]

@redvelvet

You seem to take this issue in a very literal way. As if you picture a person having full blown gupshup or conversation with someone that is deceased....on a frequent basis. Something like that would be strange. I've already mentioned that excess is not normal.

But occasionally thinking out loud ...(IMO) is not crazy. For some individuals it provides emotional release. Things are either black or white with you. There's no room to consider various possibilities, factors, and situations. Not bad.

We aren't talking about thinking out loud, which is not the same thing as talking to imaginary people (adults). the OP wanted to know about talking about talking to dead people. You've completely derailed the thread RV by trying to prove goodness knows what point.

[diwana]

@redvelvet

You seem to take this issue in a very literal way. As if you picture a person having full blown gupshup or conversation with someone that is deceased....on a frequent basis. Something like that would be strange. I've already mentioned that excess is not normal.

But occasionally thinking out loud ...(IMO) is not crazy. For some individuals it provides emotional release. Things are either black or white with you. There's no room to consider various possibilities, factors, and situations. Not bad.

No it is not literal way.

You keep changing word from 'talking ' to 'thinking'.

Two different scenarios. Unless you are mixed up with these terms or slowly drifting away from the topic and the title deliberately.

You don't write thinking, I will not mention it. Just talk about 'talking'. Shall we? :)

[redvelvet]

Re: Do you talk to the dead?

I'm not doing anything "deliberately"....that seems to imply that I'm purposely trying to cause trouble.
Talking involves thinking whether you are talking to another person or yourself. Anyhow, just forget it.

If I've derailed the thread, my apologies for my pagal-ness. Hopefully the mods can clean it up.

[diwana]

@zobia

may be…sometimes…to quaid-e-Azams pic

Yes. That is Ok in poetry. I mentioned poetry above. Good example.

Ae Quaide Azam Tera Ehsan Hai Ehsan!

[diwana]

@redvelvet

I'm not doing anything "deliberately"....that seems to imply that I'm purposely trying to cause trouble. Talking involves thinking whether you are talking to another person or yourself. Anyhow, just forget it.

If I've derailed the thread, my apologies for my pagal-ness. Hopefully the mods can clean it up.

No why clean up? It is all related.

By the way: Talking involes thinking, but thinking does not always involve talking!Two different scenarios. :)

You think about dead as someone else said above. Perfectly OK.

[SargeCandy]

Re: Do you talk to the dead?

the dead listen when u talk to them.

[Sam24]

No way!

[neha]

And no, I don't mean to ghosts, but if someone you loved passed away, do you ever talk to them in your mind just to vent or cry or complain to them.

I will pick up my dada's picture and have one-sided conversations with him which surprisingly have me feeling better after I'm done.

yes, wen i am deeply sad and depressed i do talk to my mom who deceased wen i was 4 years old. it makes me feel better,much better.