Allahkabanda,
would you mind quoting from Quran and sunnah in favor of your POV.
Allahkabanda,
would you mind quoting from Quran and sunnah in favor of your POV.
Bismillah
Brother, this is not what Prophet of Allah (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam) said neither his companions (may Allah be pleased with them) understood it this way. Unless you have some Islamic sources to back yourself otherwise I advise you to fear Allah and rectify from your statement.
brother, no complusion in religon has nothing to do with apostasy. It has to do with not forcing non-Muslims to enter into Islam And your statements do not match the ruling of Islam and sunnah of Allah's Messenger (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam).
no, it is not
no such condition has been mentioned in the shari'ah
agreed upon but yet again you go ahead anyway and present the modernist version of Islamic ruling. It is odd that you call yourself a traditionalist yet time after time you present modernist version of Islam.
So not every kind of apostasy and zina are severe? I am open to correction; so, could you please quote me view of early scholars in support of what you just said?
please quote that saying of the Prophet (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam) along with understanding of traditionalist scholars, jazak Allah khayr. In Islam, apostasy itself is a treason and under an Islamic state an apostate is put to death if he doesn't repent whether his apostasy is accompanied by treason or no treason; there is an ijmaa upon this as number of scholars have quoted it. It is strange that you are a hanafi muqalid but there is nothing in hanafi fiqh which says that apostate is killed only when he commits a treason. As usual, you are always clinging to odd and moderate opinions. This is what Imam al-Awza'i (rahimahullah) have to say about people like you: "He who traces the strange opinions of the scholars is out of Islam. You would find a scholar with a lot of knowledge and value, and also with a pitfall. So if a person was to collect the pitfalls of all the scholars and form a new Madhab, then what kind of ‘Ilm would you have?"
there are number of ahadith which disagree with what you are saying.
like I have mentioned above, no such condition is found in the shari'ah.
the apparent meaning of that ayah is very clear which is that we need to prepare our weapons before we go in a battle with our enemies.
and you are in no position to do that! What Islamic qualification do you have that you feel that you are able to interpret Islamic laws?
and Allah knows best
Death penalty for apostasy has been abolished, period.
You mean when those Salafis you admire in Algeria triggered a civil war in the 1990's and slit the throats of women and children in numerous villages in 1997? I don't see any of the religious Muslims condemning those attacks or disowning them.
Actually, the FIS sat out at around that time, and did indeed distanced itself from the GIS, who were accused of the atrocities (mind you, the Algerian military was at the very least complicit, if not copy-cats in this regard).
What boggles the mind is that people could suggest with a straight face that atrocities wihin traditionally Islamist villages would be carried out by Islamists themselves.
But who am I to stand in front of a great straw man....
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please quote that saying of the Prophet (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam) along with understanding of traditionalist scholars, jazak Allah khayr. In Islam, apostasy itself is a treason and under an Islamic state an apostate is put to death if he doesn't repent whether his apostasy is accompanied by treason or no treason;
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A few questions that I think will allow us to formulate a proper response, other than "because the scholars say so"...we're all in a position to understand, we just don't have the background to formulate an answer:
Is there a distinction between treason and apostasy amongst classical jurists? Is such a distinction apparent by reading the Hadith? Has there ever been a case recorded in the Sunnah/Hadith of apostasy which was not committed during a time of war, for which a punishment was perscribed? If so, what was it? Are scholars invoking abbrogation, or using inference, to suggest that apostasy outside the bounds of war is identical to apostasy within?
Bismillah
Allahkabanda,
would you mind quoting from Quran and sunnah in favor of your POV.
yes, insha'Allah.The Messenger of Allah (sal-allahu alayhi wa salam) said: "It is not permissible to shed the blood of a Muslim who bears witness that there is no god except Allah and that I am the Messenger of Allaah, except in one of three cases: a soul for a soul (i.e., in the case of murder); a previously-married person who commits zina; and one who leaves his religion (Islam) and separates from the main body of the Muslims." [Sahih Al-Bukhari 6484; Sahih Muslim 1676]
The Messenger of Allah (sal-allahu alayhi wa salam) said: "Whoever changes his religion (Islam), put him to death". [Sahih Al-Bukhari 6922]
Death penalty for apostasy has been abolished, period.
talk about being a traditionalist; Allah says in the Qur'an (interpretation of the meaning): "Say: My Lord has only declared unlawful the obscenities, whatever is apparent from them and whatever is hidden, as well as sin, transgression without due right and that you associate with Allah that for which you have no authority, and that you speak about Allah without knowledge" [Surah al-A'raaf (7):33]
"And do not speak with that which your tongues describe falsely, 'This is lawful and this is unlawful,' so as to invent lies against Allah. Indeed, those who invent lies against Allah will never be successful. They will have a passing brief enjoyment, and they will have a painful torment" [Surah an-Nahl (16):116-117]
"Say: Do you see what Allah has sent down as sustenance? And you have made of it lawful and unlawful. Say: Has Allah permitted you, or do you invent a lie against Allah?" [Surah Yunus (10):33]
So Allah have said that they invent lies against Allah and they have no proof for it. Please keep your modernist heresies to yourself. May Allah protect us all from fitnah of people like you and evils of our tongues and guide us all to the straight path, ameen.
we're all in a position to understand
I am not too sure what you mean by that. I hope you are not referring to "being able to deduce rulings from the text".
Is there a distinction between treason and apostasy amongst classical jurists?
nope; no such distinction has been made because as the scholars have stated apostasy itself is a treason. Islam is a way of life and not just a spiritual religion.
Is such a distinction apparent by reading the Hadith?
nope, not to my knowledge. The text is pretty clear and there is an ijmaa among the sahabas (radiAllahu anhuma) as the scholars have mentioned it. Imam ibn Qudamah (rahimahullah) said: "(and the Prophet - peace and blessings of Allah be upon him - said: (whoever changed his religion, kill him), and the people of knowledge agreed unanimously on the obligatory of killing Al Murtad, and that had been narrated from Abi Baker, Umar, Uthmaan, Ali, Muaath, Abi Musa, Ibn Abbaas, Khalid and others than them, and that wasn't rejected so, it was an unanimous agreement" [Al Mughani(16/9)].
Has there ever been a case recorded in the Sunnah/Hadith of apostasy which was not committed during a time of war, for which a punishment was perscribed?
yes, number of cases; for example: 1 - The hadith of Jabir that a woman called Umm Marwaan apostatized from Islam, then the Prophet (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam) gave an order to present Islam for her, if she comes back or she got to be killed' [Narrated in Sunan Al-Daarqutni (118/3), Sunan Al-Bayhaqi Al-kubraa (203/8)]
2 - And it is as narrated from Abu Musa and from it "'O Abu Musa! (or 'Abdullah bin Qays!) Go to Yemen'. The Prophet then sent Muaath bin Jabal after him and when Muaath reached him, he spread out a cushion for him and requested him to get down (and sit on the cushion). Behold: There was a fettered man beside Abu Musa. Muaath asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Musa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism'. Then Abu Musa requested Muaath to sit down but Muaath said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases)' and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed" [Sahih Al-Bukhari (2537/6); Sahih Muslim (1456/3)]
3 - Abu Bakr (radiallahu anho) waged war against those who refuses to pay zakah and called it war on apostasy.
Cases or no cases is not that relevant when we come to know the understanding of the companions. We know that they made no distinction between treason and apostasy or said that treason is a condition for killing an apostate. Allhamdulillah, there is an ijmaa' which alone should be enough to cast away any dubious doubts.
Are scholars invoking abbrogation, or using inference, to suggest that apostasy outside the bounds of war is identical to apostasy within?
Apostasy has nothing to do with war per say but to answer your question some scholars did say that there is a major apostasy and there is a minor apostasy. They said that if an apostate wages/incites war against Muslims (by any mean) then he has committed major apostasy and he must be put to death even if he repents. As far minor apostasy, they said that he must be put to death if he doesn't repent but if he does then his repentance is accepted. Note that they didn't make difference between whether he is killed or not rather they made difference between whether his repentance is accepted or not.
and Allah knows best
Though if one reads some hadith one may find text that demands death penalty for apostate, but fact is that, no hadith can supersede Quran and Sunnah [actions of Prophet (SAW)], as when hadith contradicts Quran and/or sunnah, than there is no doubt such hadith is fabricated. According to Quran, and also one historical event regarding action of Prophet (SAW), there is no death penalty for apostate in Islam.
First, let discuss the topic from Quran: According to Quran, it is possible that a person accepts Islam (becomes Muslim), then reject Islam (become apostate --- or becomes Kafir again), then become Muslim again (re-enter fold of Islam), then reject Islam again ... and so on can do this yo-yo multiple times (according to Quran, by doing such, they keep increasing their unbelief). Now, if there was death penalty than it was not possible that such could happen and since Quran mentions that this could happen, that means ... death of apostate is not Islamic ... and thus those who claim (or say) that Islam demands death for apostate are rejecter of Allah’s words in Quran. Here is verse from Quran:
Surah Al-Nisa (4), ayah 137: YUSUFALI: Those who believe, then reject faith, then believe (again) and (again) reject faith, and go on increasing in unbelief,- Allah will not forgive them nor guide them nor guide them on the way.
Further, same is mentioned in Quran again ... regarding people who reject faith (Islam) after they accepted it (3:86)... Allah do not guide them ... EXCEPT ... for those that repeat after that and make amends, for verily Allah is oft forgiving and most merciful (3:94) ... shows that Allah accepts their re-entering Islam (that was not possible if their punishment was death in the first place). Further, Quran also talks about those who reject faith (Islam) after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of faith ... and so on ... So, from these ayah also it is proved that these people are not killed and thus it means Islam does not say that apostate should be killed.
Surah Imran (3), Ayah 86-91:
YUSUFALI: How shall Allah Guide those who reject Faith after they accepted it and bore witness that the Messenger was true and that Clear Signs had come unto them? but Allah guides not a people unjust.
YUSUFALI: Of such the reward is that on them (rests) the curse of Allah, of His angels, and of all mankind;-
YUSUFALI: In that will they dwell; nor will their penalty be lightened, nor respite be (their lot);-
YUSUFALI: Except for those that repent (Even) after that, and make amends; for verily Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
YUSUFALI: But those who reject Faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of Faith,- never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have (of set purpose) gone astray.
YUSUFALI: As to those who reject Faith, and die rejecting,- never would be accepted from any such as much gold as the earth contains, though they should offer it for ransom. For such is (in store) a penalty grievous, and they will find no helpers.
Sunnah of Prophet (SAW): There is not a single confirmed historical event where Prophet (SAW) gave death penalty to anyone who accepted Islam and then became apostate (openly rejected Islam and entered religion of Kafirs again). Actually, such situation did arise in the lifetime of Prophet (SAW) when Abdullah bin Sa’d bin abi Sarh became apostate. His story is that, he not only accepted Islam but became scriber of Holy Quran. Later he went back to his Quraish religion (became apostate) but worse is that he used to joke about Prophet (SAW) and Quran (with lies in his claims). He use to claim that Prophet (SAW) composed Quran himself and it is not revealed.
Before surrender of Mecca, Prophet (SAW) actually ordered about few people who should be killed if they were found, and he was one of them. Anyhow, later when Mecca surrendered to Muslims, Usman (RA) pleaded for his forgiveness and Prophet (SAW) forgave him ... though obviously, if it was order of Allah to kill apostate then Prophet (SAW) would not have forgiven him on plea of anyone, including Usman (RA).
Hence, according to Quran and Sunnah [action of Prophet (SAW)], there is no death penalty in Islam for apostate. This is also obvious as Islam teaches that there is no compulsion in religion, and thus if death penalty for apostate was part of Islam, it would have been compulsion in religion. In Islam, Allah even told Prophet (SAW) that Allah has revealed Quran to Prophet (SAW), but as far as believing on Islam and receiving guidance from Quran is concerned, it is up to individual souls for their own benefits or harms ... and in this matter (religion), not even Prophet (SAW) has any right to dispose their affairs ... whether they believe on Islam, reject Islam, believe and later reject Islam (become apostate), or do whatever they like, as in the end it is they who will die and would get reward or punishment for their deeds in this life.
Surah Az-Zumar (39), ayah 41:YUSUFALI: Verily We have revealed the Book to thee in Truth, for (instructing) mankind. He, then, that receives guidance benefits his own soul: but he that strays injures his own soul. Nor art thou set over them to dispose of their affairs.
Yes, for 14 centuries Muslims were so illiterate, ignorant and disobedient that they couldn't figure out what shaykh allama sa1eem has just did. Do you even realize the ramification of your statement!? You have just called the companions (radiAllahu anhuma) of Allah's Messenger (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam) and rest of the scholars heretics.
Bismillah
but fact is that, no hadith can supersede Quran and Sunnah [actions of Prophet (SAW)]
this is sheer ignorance
1 - Everyone knows that hadith is not the Qur'an. The fact that Qur'an supersedes hadith doesn't support the argument that legislation cannot be drawn from hadith because at the end of the day both are revelation from Allah.
2 - According to Usoolis and Muhadithoon Sunnah constitutes whatever the Prophet (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam) did or commanded/said to do. Linguistically, hadith means saying and sunnah means a way. Hence, hadith is a broader term for sunnah because a saying tells us what is the sunnah of the Prophet (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam), meaning what he said and did.
It is important that we know some of the basics before acting like muftis and pulling such blunders. This is a matter of deen and not a video game.
as when hadith contradicts Quran and/or sunnah, than there is no doubt such hadith is fabricated.
no such criteria has been used by the experts as the main standard to accept or reject ahadith. And just because you find a hadith contradicting to Qur'an due to your desires or lack of knowledge doesn't mean that it does contradict the Qur'an. No one is going to buy an explanation on that issue by someone like you who is not an expert in the field.
According to Quran, and also one historical event regarding action of Prophet (SAW), there is no death penalty for apostate in Islam.
whatever flows your boat right even if we have to turn water into wine.
Now, if there was death penalty than it was not possible that such could happen and since Quran mentions that this could happen, that means ... death of apostate is not Islamic ...
dubious explanations are not going to cut for you my brother. Like I said before, you are not an expert so I am not going to buy what you say unless you bring from those who are expert. Your misunderstanding about the meaning and implication of the ayaat is based upon your ignorance.
Firstly, as the scholars of tafsir have said these two ayaat are referring to munafiqeen and not apostates.
Secondly, we know that an apostate is not killed unless he doesn't repent. Hence, if accepts Islam again then the punishment is not carried on him. Thus, the room for repentance is always open and there is no contradiction between the Qur'an and the command of the Prophet (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam).
Thirdly, even if ignore that point then it is still possible for such a case to take place if the person flees to a kafir land after apostatizing.
Lastly, in the first ayah Allah is saying that He will not forgive those who enter into Islam and then leave and repeat this but at then end die as kafir. I don't know how this proves that an apostate cannot be killed.
and thus those who claim (or say) that Islam demands death for apostate are rejecter of Allah’s words in Quran.
do you realize that your fatawa also applies to the companions (radiAllahu anhuma) of Allah's Messenger (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam)? How can you trust your deen when it came through people who rejected Allah's words?
There is not a single confirmed historical event where Prophet (SAW) gave death penalty to anyone who accepted Islam and then became apostate (openly rejected Islam and entered religion of Kafirs again).
I presented three examples in my earlier post. Instead of making ignorant claims please prove that those historical events are not confirmed. And I would like verdicts from experts and not shaykh allama sa1eem.
As far Abdullah ibn Sad ibn Abi Sarh (radiAllahu anho), then he was not killed because 1st he fled to Quraysh and latter he repented. We know that an apostate is not put to death only when he doesn't repent and lives under an Islamic state. Was this is the case for Abdullah (radiAllahu anho)!? As far when he repented: before conquest of Makka or afterward then it is not clear because there are multiple reports about time of his reversion. Some reports say that he repented before conquest of Makka and others say that he did after. Even if we go with the report you mentioned, it still doesn't prove your point. If an apostate is not to be killed then why did the Prophet (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam) ordered others to kill him in the first place? The Prophet's (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam) command to kill him pretty much breaks down your whole argument. After the request of Uthman (radiAllahu anho), the Prophet (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam) gave him a chance to repent, which he did. So, either way, at the end of the day this incident doesn't support your point.
Hence, according to Quran and Sunnah [action of Prophet (SAW)], there is no death penalty in Islam for apostate. This is also obvious as Islam teaches that there is no compulsion in religion, and thus if death penalty for apostate was part of Islam, it would have been compulsion in religion.
no, you have completely failed to prove your deviant modernist view. Go read the tafsir of the ayah "there is no compulsion in religion". It has nothing to do apostates; that ayah was revealed about not forcing non-Muslims into Islam. And uncorrupted Muslims any day will take the words of Abdullah ibn Abbas (radiAllahu anho) over the words of someone like you, nobody.
rest of your points are irrelevant
May Allah guide you and rest of us, ameen
and Allah knows best
Death penalty for apostasy has been abolished, period.
Are you kidding?
Have you been to Iran or Saudi Arabia?
Even in Egypt, Pakistan, and other muslim countries...its hell for the person to change religions
Re: Do you support murdering apostates?
Read.
Are you kidding?
Have you been to Iran or Saudi Arabia?
Even in Egypt, Pakistan, and other muslim countries...its hell for the person to change religions
I think she was referring to apostasy under Islamic law, because she is technically right.
oh there we go anti muslim knight is here again to prove that Islam is a devilish religion and he shuts up about hinduis, judaism and other religions.
its getting pretty boring u know u should come up with something new.
Ironic coming from someone who has a soft spot for Islamic extremists who want to turn the Netherlands into the next Taliban-ruled Afghanistan. You should stop making numerous anti-India threads and start posting more threads condemning Islamic extremism if you claim you're against terrorism.
Why don't you go back to Pakistan if you hate the West so much? Why live in a country you despise to begin with? It's not like anyone likes us to begin with, and with some of the anti-Western rhetoric on the board that is tolerated, can you blame them? After all, I do remember there were Moroccans in Ede celebrating when they heard news of the September 11 attacks. Are you proud of that fact?
I think she was referring to apostasy under Islamic law, because she is technically right.
I don't think you are our teacher or we need to know about Islamic laws from people like you. She was technically right!? You must have smoked some weed in the morning. I am not surprised that you agree with a modernist heresy because at the end of the day you people operate on same methodology.
Ironic coming from someone who has a soft spot for Islamic extremists who want to turn the Netherlands into the next Taliban-ruled Afghanistan.
we don't need to learn from someone like you about what is terrorism and what is not. Please spare us from your selfish arrogant mentality!
Why don't you go back to Pakistan if you hate the West so much? Why live in a country you despise to begin with?
who are you to tell people what to do?
It's not like anyone likes us to begin with, and with some of the anti-Western rhetoric on the board that is tolerated, can you blame them?
you must be out of your mind for such a stupid comment. what does people's actions on this board have to do with west hating Muslims? It is well known that they are going to hate us regardless of our actions. Plus, two wrongs do not make a right. Just because some of us paint everyone with same brush or present incorrect things doesn't mean that the west cannot be blamed for its original crimes.
After all, I do remember there were Moroccans in Ede celebrating when they heard news of the September 11 attacks. Are you proud of that fact?
Yeh, some Palestinians celebrated too. We saw those dubious videos and propaganda presented by media in the west. The irony of all this is that America's own people attacked their fellow country men and then blamed some people living in the caves and mountains. Load of bull crap
Please keep this coming
Salam,
Just to address a couple of points;
Ahmad Ibn Taymiyyah **- **Hanbali jurist] - Taught Ibn Kathir
Abu al-Walid al-Baji - [Maliki **jurist]**
Muhammad ibn Ahmad al-Sarakhsi - **[Hanafi jurist]**
The issue of Apostacy and its punishment are both mentioned in the Quran in several places but no where does Quran states that an apostate should be put to death.
According to Hadiths [in Bukhari and Muslim] there were instances where people left Islam but they were not killed and there were instance where people were put to death for leaving Islam [but that was accompained with something else].
One lecture that explains these points in detail with references is 'Freedom of Conscience in Islam', by riaz ansari.
[Just google 'Freedom of Conscience in Islam by riaz ansari']
Wa'salamu alaykum.
Re: Do you support murdering apostates?
I am with those who say " There is no death penalty for apostacy" coz thats the truth. Others are just wasting time trying to pove a wrong thing.
In islam there are two crimes for which the death penality has been discussed/kept/mentioned/suggested:
1- Murdering another human being.
2- Spreading Fasad in the land.
Other then these two crimes the DEATH **penalty is not suggessted and **NOT MENDATORY.
Jaan laina and Jaan daina Allah ke haath mein hai.
The matter of religion (especially when a muslim converts to another religion) is between him and Allah SWT.
To the OP , no we dont support murdering of apostates or any other human being.
Re: Do you support murdering apostates?
Peace All
It is possible for a person to switch religions without accountability even in the strictest of interpretations.
First of all, the thread title is loaded with a preconceived idea ... that it is murder to kill apostates. I think it is clear that to kill apostates is either required by the state or to query them of their apostasy. Even if they do not commit treason by the definition stated.
The better title should be "Do you support killing apostates?"
In which case we need to understand a few things. To even know an apostate means that his apostasy is already damaging society. Most apostates in an Islamic state would if wise be underground and keep to themselves, if they didn't want to sow discord they would not let anyone know of their apostasy. If they feared their life they would migrate.
If their case arrived to court they would be questioned of their faith, they could lie about it and they could even honestly turn back to Islam before the sentence was given. In such a case even the most strictest opinion regarding murtads would infer that they be let go.
Those who would still be killed then the sentencers would have to answer before Allah (SWT).
A murtad could only be killed if he insists of his conversion whilst in custody and on trial.
However, those were days when the overall dominion of the Islamic state was highest, it was when the levels of tolerance were tighter and no reason was prevalent to spit in the face of authority.
Today, we have problems with our situation. Not only is the environment different with regards to external media's misalignment in the portrayal of Islam, but also Muslim states are themselves governing without the equity of Islam. If people then leave Islam they should not be blamed for it. It becomes a problem of society. The reason why capital punishment for apostasy would not be applicable here and now is because of these factors. To implement otherwise would be what is termed tyrranical rule, because the circumstance for a given scenario is not being taken into consideration.
Today we may justify that there is a difference between treason and apostasy but just as AllahkaBanda has stated some people view apostasy as treason. In fact it is, but only when that apostasy is a public affair not when it is a private one. However, this level of treason would be unfair to implement because the state and society would be partially to blame for that condition.
Today, there are other conditions that can be played out.
To extradite them or to leave them alone placing an injunction on them that they cannot propagate their conversion making it a public affair. These sentences would be more fitting in a society and Muslim state which themselves have a lot to answer for.
I would like to talk about this issue at length. So please bear with me.
I will just put forward some facts to ponder. you be the judge..
Here are some quranic evidence from the past...It was the way of the rejectors of the word of Allah and His messengers to use terror tactics in order to make the believers return to their previous religion.
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[7:89]
The chief men of his people who were arrogant said, ‘Assuredly, we will drive thee out, O Shu‘aib, and the believers that are with thee, from our town, or you shall have to return to our religion.’ He said: ‘Even though we be unwilling?
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Take a moment to note what enemies of hazrat shu'aib were saying and what was his reply?
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You want us to return to your faith even if we are unwilling?
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2)hazrat musa (as) and pharoah...
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[40:29] And a believing man from among the people of Pharaoh, who concealed his faith, said, “Will you slay a man because he says, ‘My Lord is Allah,’ while he has brought you clear proofs from your Lord? And if he be a liar, on him will be the sin of his lie; but if he is truthful, then some of that which he threatens you with will surely befall you. Certainly Allah guides not one who is a transgressor, and a liar.
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Religious freedom...
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[5:93] Obey Allah and obey the messenger, and beware! But if ye turn away, then know that the duty of Our messenger is only plain conveyance (of the message).
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[10:100] And if thy Lord willed, all who are in the earth would have believed together. Wouldst thou (Muhammad(pbuh)) compel men until they are believers?
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3)
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[88:22-27]
Admonish, therefore, for thou art but an admonisher; Thou art not appointed a keeper over them. But whoever turns away and disbelieves, Allah will punish him with the greatest punishment. Unto Us is surely their return. Then surely, it is for Us to call them to account.
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The messenger (pbuh) is only appointed to deliver the message and the deviants, rejectors will be taken care of by Allah Himself.
(I am not finished yet. so please hold on to your responses)
......contd.