**Is there any wonder why people in the West have a intolerant view of Muslims to begin with?
So do you think apostates are worse than terrorists who blow up and murder civilians?
Should Muslims cry about religious freedom in the West when they are quick to deny it to many people in the Muslim world? The Muslim world’s record on religious freedom is pretty poor to begin with, but no one here has the courage to admit to it.
by asking these questions you are actually strengthing the hands of talibs
its like asking the iranians do u think ur country shud have nuclear energy ? offcourse the nationalistic pro-western and dogmatic mullah will all say yes to it.So you essentially do the govt a big favor.
You are doing the same here, by equating talibinazation with sharia laws.While the actual problem is far more complex
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the same people who say that always crticize the hangings and stoning incidents in some muslim countries why dont u quote those incidents of opprersion of religious muslims by muslim tyrants like in Egypt and ALgeria.Why the selective memory ?
You mean when those Salafis you admire in Algeria triggered a civil war in the 1990’s and slit the throats of women and children in numerous villages in 1997? I don’t see any of the religious Muslims condemning those attacks or disowning them.
I do not believe in sluaghtering those who leave the fold, unless they have left Islam as apostates who will deliberately try thier best to ruin us, militant apostates who take up arms should be met with the same mercy they show thier victims… none whatsoever.
This poll is meaningless and these questions shouldn’t be asked to common people who have no knowledge of Islamic Law. The punishments in Shariah are according to the severity of the crime so not every apostate will get death penalty and not every adulterer will be stonned to death, same goes for the thief.
What problem U have in accepting that death to apostates is part of parcel of true islam and this punishment has been delivered many times by the holy prophet and rightly-guided caliphs.
I got this from religious scriptures. And I have no problem in accepting what U want to make me accept. Apostasy is considered a serious crime according to Islam and hence death is prescribed for apostates.
No brother khushdil, no one here says that islam is devilish religion except urself. we are only discussing that its only Islam which prescribe death penalty for apostates and not other religions like hinduism and judaism.
There is no verse in Quran that lays down a punishment for apostasy in this world, also according to the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad(SAW) apostasy is a crime only when it’s combined with treason.
Death penalty for apostasy has been completely abolished few centuries ago by the Ottoman Caliphate.
Regarding Hinduism or Judaism, well in Hinduism, apostasy is classified as violation of cast rules and boundaries. Early converts to Islam in Britain were killed and also in Baghdad during the Mongols Budhists who converted to Islam were also killed. In Judaism, apostasy was once a crime but now it’s abolished.
the holy quran also tells us to fatten our horses so that they r prepared for war.. so should we discard all the nuclear weapons and start training horses??
we’re just trying to interpret islamic laws correctly and fairly.. that’s all..
there’s nothing anti-islamic about discussing issues facing islam… and yeah it’s gud that he doesn’t criticizes other religions.. because if he citicized and compared islam to other religions, that means islam is just like other religions and contains flaws (God forbid).. and if we don’t try to achieve something by saying that no one else has it, than we’ll be in the same miserable state for times to come..and there will be no difference between muslims or hindus or jews..
subhaanAllah, bunch of kuffaar and Muslims, who are in no position to pass their fatawas, are working together against Islamic teachings.
First, let me address the kuffaar and then the Muslims, insha’Allah
Bismillah
How many people participated in this poll? Was it whole Pakistan? On what basis does the research say that 78% of Pakistanis demand this? And who cares about what Pakistanis demand? Are they sources of Islamic rulings? Wouldn’t it have been better for you to bash Islam instead of some Pakistanis?
I didn’t know that Pakistanis represent all the Muslims in the world! Nevertheless, your flawed point is noted. Who cares about what west thinks about Islam and Muslims! For your information, we don’t give a damn about what you think about us and our religion. When did west become a champion and standard to decide what is tolerant and intolerant? When did they become an authority to pass judgment on other people and say this is moral and that is immoral? When did rest of the world become bounded to follow the standards set by the west? Is bombing innocent people and waging war and supporting tyrant regimes and rulers and illegal occupations moral? Talk about utter rubishness and hypocrisy!
What is your point? A criminal is a criminal whether he comitted a small crime or a bigger crime. Let me redirect your question back at you: do you think spouting nonsense and ranting about laws is more important than talking about illegal occupations and murder of millions of innocent people?
1 - In your opinion, not giving religious freedom is wrong, then do two wrongs make a right?
2 - West is the last place we want to go to when it comes to freedom. There is no such thing as a freedom. What we have is a tolerance level and just like west Islamic world also has its own tolerance level. If you want to argue about this tolerance level then let’s get to gist of the problem
but that is the intent behind this topic and essence of this discussion
do not expose your ignorance. Islam is a whole way of life: governing spirituality to politics, social values to economics, etc. Because of this misunderstanding about essence of Islam and generality about religions, people cannot understand certain Islamic laws. Apostasy in modern world can be linked with treason; hence, the punishment for treason is found everywhere. Killing an apostate is clearly found in old testonment. So I have no idea on what basis you say that it is not found in other religions and set of laws.
Brother, this is not what Prophet of Allah (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam) said neither his companions (may Allah be pleased with them) understood it this way. Unless you have some Islamic sources to back yourself otherwise I advise you to fear Allah and rectify from your statement.
brother, no complusion in religon has nothing to do with apostasy. It has to do with not forcing non-Muslims to enter into Islam And your statements do not match the ruling of Islam and sunnah of Allah’s Messenger (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam).
no, it is not
no such condition has been mentioned in the shari’ah
agreed upon but yet again you go ahead anyway and present the modernist version of Islamic ruling. It is odd that you call yourself a traditionalist yet time after time you present modernist version of Islam.
So not every kind of apostasy and zina are severe? I am open to correction; so, could you please quote me view of early scholars in support of what you just said?
please quote that saying of the Prophet (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam) along with understanding of traditionalist scholars, jazak Allah khayr. In Islam, apostasy itself is a treason and under an Islamic state an apostate is put to death if he doesn’t repent whether his apostasy is accompanied by treason or no treason; there is an ijmaa upon this as number of scholars have quoted it. It is strange that you are a hanafi muqalid but there is nothing in hanafi fiqh which says that apostate is killed only when he commits a treason. As usual, you are always clinging to odd and moderate opinions. This is what Imam al-Awza’i (rahimahullah) have to say about people like you: “He who traces the strange opinions of the scholars is out of Islam. You would find a scholar with a lot of knowledge and value, and also with a pitfall. So if a person was to collect the pitfalls of all the scholars and form a new Madhab, then what kind of ‘Ilm would you have?”
there are number of ahadith which disagree with what you are saying.
like I have mentioned above, no such condition is found in the shari’ah.
the apparent meaning of that ayah is very clear which is that we need to prepare our weapons before we go in a battle with our enemies.
and you are in no position to do that! What Islamic qualification do you have that you feel that you are able to interpret Islamic laws?