Re: Do You Have the Entrance Fee for Paradise?
I never told you I wanted a debate about the existence of god. What are you talking about? It was you who ran away. I clearly told you definition of God can be hazy and I wanted a debate on Allah, not God.
Do you even listen to yourself? First you said you did not want to debate with me on existence of God and then you are saying I ran away. How can I run away when we never engaged in debate? What do we call this: C-O-N-T-R-A-D-I-C-T-I-O-N
and how exactly Allah is different than God? They both are names given to Almighty Creator; the word "Allah" is a unique word in comparison to the word "God". The word "Allah" clearly illustrates one of the attributes of the Creator and that He is unique and only one!
Let us take this debateslowly, because I don't get much time these days.
yes, it will be better for you and everyone like yourself as I have noticed you people have hard time understanding simplest of things. So let's get down to business, shall we? It is like what brother Sami says: "time to kick some back sides of haters".
First, I think we all agree that "sexism" implies caiming one gender is greater than the other gender, not in capabilities but also in their rights and the right to justice in particular. Treating women as "lesser humans" is sexism.
There are natural capabilities/skills that makes one gender capable of doing things which other gender cannot i.e. women can give birth to children whereas man cannot. It does not mean that men are inferior but women are better than men in this aspect of life because they can do something which men cannot. This is natural distinction which many of you haters forget when you attack Islam.
now that we have agreed upon the basic premise, let us look at your evidences!
These are my evidences:
(An-Nisa)
004.011YUSUFALI: Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each, if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased Left brothers (or sisters) the mother has a sixth. (The distribution in all cases ('s) after the payment of legacies and debts. Ye know not whether your parents or your children are nearest to you in benefit. These are settled portions ordained by Allah; and
Allah is All-knowing, Al-wise.
This verse clearly tells mulsims that their male children get two times as much as their female children. Note that the statement is general i.e, regardless of who is more worthy or more capable of handling the person's business dealings/ or his property/ or is more intelligent in financial affairs( we know there are plenty of cases where women are more intelligent than men), a girl should inherit only half as much as the boy. This is clear evidence of sexism.
First of all, there is not single law in this universe beside Islam that commands people to give inheritance to their children. So in other words, before you attack Islam and supposedly sexism allegations, shouldn't you attack your own country's laws and other religions which do not make it obligatory on parents. It is funny how Islam is giving the rights to people which no one else is giving and you are attacking it...wow, you must be crazy. In non-Muslims societies if parents decide to give inheritance to their children they can choose how they want to give and whom they want to give; there is no particular law; one child can get more than the other.
How does this verse imply that men are superior than women? Males are obliged to look after their family's financial needs and no burden is put on females, so that makes men superior right? If you read the whole verse carefully, you will understand that there are some cases in which female gets double or same to that of males. But why do in most cases females gets half? The answer is provided in the very verse you quoted as your second evidence as I said above: Males are obliged to look after their families and spent on them whereas females do not have to. Allah Ta'ala ordered it this way to make things easier for males. If i have a widow as a neighbour who cannot look after her financial needs, then it is obliged on me and other neighbour males to look after her needs. This is all according to the laws of Islam.
004.034YUSUFALI: )Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).
This verse makes it clear than men are "maintainers" of women( as though they can't 'maintain" themselves) and thus they can be beaten("lightly" adds the Apostle of Allah foolishly) by their husbands for disloyalty, although men can be disloyal to them and marry 4 wives. Again, sexism. Phiysical strenght does not imply superiority.
I do not know if you realized but this ignorant interpretation of yours contain gross logical errors.
** Straw Man -** The verse does not imply or say that women cannot maintain themselves. Are you on weeds? It rather makes their life easy by telling us that it is men who needs to take care of them! All women have to do look after their husbands' property i.e. do not waste it or destroy it, look after children (raise them well), do not commit immoral actions etc, if they want to be righteous. Just like if their husbands commit an immoral or do not look after their financial needs would displeases them, similarly if they commit an immoral action or did not look after their property it would displease their husbands.
("lightly" adds the Apostle of Allah foolishly)
*You ignorant loser, explain me how is this foolish. If you look at different translations, you will see how the translations for Arabic word *وَٱضۡرِبُوهُنَّ are different; there is not an equivalent or appropriate English word for this Arabic word. Dr Mohsin translated this word as "beat them (lightly, if it is useful)" and Imam Pickthal translated it as "scourge them".
Also, how marrying 4 wives is disloyalty?
You have miserably failed to present any decent arguments to explain your case that these two verses promote sexism; tough luck, try harder next time!
