Do You Have the Entrance Fee for Paradise?

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So in other words in Hinduism its not God who sets the rules but people if it has to change with time?

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I didn't ask for your help, so don't feel bad about that inability.

If quran arbitrarily determines that those who don't believe in islam shall burn in hell, it can longer profess to be a logical code of anything, let alone claim to be a peaceful religion.

Hinduism is not at all a closed book and so you cannot draw a direct comparison. Hindusim is about Dharmic cause and effect and what is to become of you is in large parts left up to you. For all you know for some people becoming a rat may be a promotion and not a lower life form

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Never offered it anyway because I can see its not needed. You have your own agenda. Its embedded in the belief in God and even muslims will be going to hell despite their belief in God, so rest assured its not only those who do not believe in Islam. You yourself have been making arguments about the existence of God and yet state that Islam is illogical for asking people to believe in God, what an oxymoron?

So what scripture do rodents read to know they can get promoted to bigger and better animals that consume them?

Please explain in unambiguous terms what becomes of me according to Hinduism?

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are you asking what does hinduism say will happen to you as a non-Hindu?

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don't obfuscate. I ask you about the burn-in hell comment from quran and the hypocrisy of then claiming to be peaceful and you're all over the map here passing judgements on me and my outlook towards muslims. You are not all muslims, neither is Harreem who claimed the burn-in-hell cuss is from quran ....just misguided muslims may be

Just try to understand what your dharmic duties are and perform them with honesty and without ego and hatred towards others. That will get you to a better place whether rat or not

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don't obfuscate. I ask you about the burn-in hell comment from quran and the hypocrisy of then claiming to be peaceful and you're all over the map here passing judgements on me and my outlook towards muslims. You are not all muslims, neither is Harreem who claimed the burn-in-hell cuss is from quran ....just misguided muslims may be

Just try to understand what your dharmic duties are and perform them with honesty and without hatred towards others. That will get you to a better place whether rat or not. no need to be insecure

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"the Bhagavad Gita says, 'whatever and whichever way men approach Me(God), even so do I accept them;whatever paths they may choose finally lead to Me(God)'

From these lines, one can easily understand that Hinduism does not project itself as the only way to God-realization. It claims no monopoly on wisdom. It tolerates all forms of thoughts. A Hindu yogi will never try to convert a person from another religion to Hinduism.

So, in Hinduism, you can worship the Almighty, which is formless and timeless, as Krishna, Jesus, Allah, Moses, or as anyone or anything. As long as you have faith in that form of the Almighty, you will be following a true religion and you will ultimately realize the truth, even if you are following a crude form of worship...."

"in Hinduism a believer, an atheist and an agnost can happily coexist..."

-source"am i a hindu" -ed vishwanathan

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^ I agree

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Very interesting, now that I am accusing your faith of the same sort of criticism that you level against us, all of a sudden we become misguided muslims. So what is misguided about us as muslims? The burn in fire is just a place of punishment, no cussing here. I think your the one who is being unsucessful at obfuscating what I said. And still no reciprocity for the rate cage ideology of Hinduism. You know if I said to someone thesedays Burn in hell versus you rat, its more likely I will get a response for the rat comment.

No no no! Hold on, don't weasel your way out by saying just understand your dharmic duties. What I asked is what becomes of me if I die as a non-Hindu? What specifically does Hinduism state is the fate of non-Hindu's? And tell me how do lower forms of life know Dharma, surely they cannot read Bhagvad Gita or Vedas or Upanishads.

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What does acceptance mean? How does it materialize?

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see you aren't really understanding that what Hinduism tends to say is that God really doesn't differentiate between a Hindu, a Jew, a Muslim, a Christian, as long as you accomplish a realization of the truth......

So the "every action has an equal and opposite reaction..." law of karma applies to all human beings....."whatever a man soweth, that shall he also reap" (Galatians 6:7).

so according to Hinduism the law of karma will apply to you too.

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where does the quote say anything about acceptance?

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I understand that your definition of Hinduism tries to accomodate all.

My question is what shall we reap? How does God differentiate between good and bad people in the philosophy of Hinduism? Secondly, what constitutes a good and evil act in Hinduism?

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"the Bhagavad Gita says, 'whatever and whichever way men approach Me(God), even so do I accept them;whatever paths they may choose finally lead to Me(God)'

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Nothing special here. I want to give some respect to Islam and therefore when you (or Hareem or others) utter something low class such as burn-in-hell, I prefer to separate you as a misguided muslim saying that rather than accusing Quran or Islam. Now, do you want me to change that and accuse Quran and Islam in general instead of you? suit yourself.

Go ask anyone who knows normal spoken english. If someone or something tells you 'go burn in hell' that is cussing.
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good - so you have suceeded in obfuscating. Which is what I said in the first place!

what makes you think I will reciprocate for each inanity you raise?
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And I told you that Hinduism does not do that. Hinduism expects you to use your brain, understand your duties and perform them. And that is just as well - look at what some of you are doing - you say 'burn in hell' and hide behind quran for saying that. It is exactly to prevent such dishonesty is why.

....as if they can read quran? think man!

Nobody needs to read the Vedas to understand their Dharmic responsibilities. Vedas simply provide some ways and means of going about it. They are not cook books, they are not a list of do's and don'ts. In fact the Srimad Bhagavat Gita itself came about due to the recognition that given where humanity had progressed at that time, a simpler interpretation of the philosophy was required - the philosophy dealing with how an individual connects with the whole. That's it in a nutshell.

But I do understand why you may find it difficult to conceptualize. Many muslims consider the Quran to be all encompassing and something to be compliant to (eg look at the numerous questions about does quran allow this etc).

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So now getting back to the original discussion - does Quran say non-believers will burn in hell? if it does then it is hypocritical to claim it to be a message of tolerant peace!

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it's not my definition, and the Gita quote that you have up there by "paths" meaning religions or ways of thinking all do ultimately lead to a concept of God. It's like all religions are pointing to the same one God...

Well I don't consider my self a religious scholar in any way at all but I would think being a horrible person and treating people like crap all the time would categorize a human being as a bad person. Trying your best to be true to yourself and not causing harm to others might make you a good person, isn't that how most people see things.

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This is the reason i love my religion.

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dekh bhai..i fu do gud things in life u might be born as tom cruise or hritik roshan and if you do bad things in life you will be born somewhere in ghana/somalia and die of hunger some day.

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i'm a tad busy at the moment so I hurriedly answer your questions and so I forgot to answer your "what shall we reap?" question in terms Hinduism and I'll explain the whole concept of karma and use what actual hindu scholars say
bye for now :)

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If you mean what does God mean by "I accept whichever path you come through".... then 'acceptance by God' means a few things, depending upon your maturity level.

For a person seeking knowledge, acceptance by God of some appropriate deed (appropriate = dharmic, deed = karmic) would mean, the sought knowledge is obtained

For a person seeking wisdom, having acquired the knowledge, the definition of 'appropriate deed' changes (iow his dharmic responsibility changes and so his karmanushta changes).

And there are other stages onwards and upwards but you can see the pattern here - 'acceptance by God' is nothing but succeeding in your mission, assuming you have understood your dharma and have the set your mission appropriately for that dharma. I am sure you have heard the most famous saying of the Gita ie "do your duty ...don't be concerned about the outcome". Now I hope you can understand what that means