how could somebody be friends with someone who openly and strongly believes that his friends are destined to go to hell. I don't understand such extreme ways of thinking including the extreme atheist way of thinking. So every time you look at your non-muslim friends you see them burning in hell??
Ouch! I guess the feelings of non-muslim humans don't really matter.
And this is your inannity, do you think i look at my non-muslim friend and the first idea strikes to my mind he will burn in hell, and how can you ever think this way.
I have mentioned clearly its in the Quran, now can you do something about that. Assuming you are married and your husband sleeps with some other females will you put a garland round him and encourage him to carry on with the same stuff or will you throw him out of your life/pardon him.
Again the decision is left to you, i hope you get my drift.
Secondly indopak it hardly matters to me, if you would know what would happen after life and if you were dead sure, what are the arrangements would you do for this life now.
I sometimes feel bad when non-muslims pass such childish comments without any thought. I ask you go and ask the same questions for a jew and christian and please share your experience after that.
If they say the non-christians wont burn in hell or non-jews wont burn in hell, they are lying. So at thsi point of time its better to work towards tolerance.
My question to you is, if you think its a problem for a non-muslim to burn in hell, tell me what is the solution for it. Shall i tell you the best solution is to be tolerant and just respect other believes.
In this case you are the best example of criticising other believes rather than to be tolerant. I know i am rude but thats the truth.
^ this is the sort of blnd numbness that indicates islam must be changed and updated. Far too many people get away with idiotic notions such as what Slave has expressed, and things like polygamy, institutionalised discrimination, plain genocide quoting the quran. No wonder the quran has become an object of suspicion even revulsion to many. I've even seen an argument where somebody was arguing in favor of incest because quran says it's ok directly or indirectly!
People like that have caused serious damage to islam and unless things change, they will ensure they kill it.
Only difference betwen them and the next suicide bomber is the latter has the mistaken courage to blow themselves up and these nuts have their own cowardice protecting them. Otherwise there's little by way of philosophical ideological mental make up.
Intolerant of other ideologies. And I suppose you are very tolerant of the notion that God exists. Before blaming others of being intolerant you should look outside you own cuccoon. At present your ideology assumes more than 4/5 majority of the world population is self-dellusional and idiotic.
Tolerant doesn't mean I have to *accept *other ideologies. I am not calling for forcing theists to leave religion. There lies the difference. Criticism is not the same as intolerance.
If you believe Islam is not a peaceful religion then I am happy because I believe its a peaceful religion.
Even if you feel Islam is the worst religion I am still happy, *because I believe its the best religion.
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But that does not mean, i catch hold of you and tell you please please pleaase tell me its a peaceful religion i wont. But guess what i will still respect you as a human and will treat you as my good friend.
what planet do you live in man! if you want to engage in whose is bigger argument about religions, take a hike. It is neither a debate nor a useful speech.
just when I was about to totally dismiss you in disappointment you came up with this gem! reminds me of bill clinton’s “it all depends on what is means”
Tolerant doesn't mean I have to *accept *other ideologies. I am not calling for forcing theists to leave religion. There lies the difference. Criticism is not the same as intolerance.
Dude, if we believe you're on your highway to hell it should not upset you beacuse you don't believe in it. If anything we would try to save you from that destination rather than thrust you towards it. Niether are thiests calling you to abandon your ways. We're simply telling what we believe will be your fate if you continue that route similar to you telling us we are full of it because we believe God exists. Becoming an athiest does not mean you have become tolerant but rather intolerant to any notion of God. Your comments are in stark denial to what you are professing i.e. tolerance and criticism.
Dude, if we believe you're on your highway to hell it should not upset you beacuse you don't believe in it. If anything we would try to save you from that destination rather than thrust you towards it
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Whether i am upset or not, I can still question your religion. Whether tolerant or not, every ideology can be criticised. the point i was trying to make was that I WILL oppose intolerant ideologies- and frankly berating nonbelievers and cursing them **is **intolerance.By repeatedly mocking nonbelievers Islam promotes intolerance of other religions among muslims.
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Niether are thiests calling you to abandon your ways. We're simply telling what we believe will be your fate if you continue that route similar to you telling us we are full of it because we believe God exists.
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But theism can still be criticised.
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Becoming an athiest does not mean you have become tolerant but rather intolerant to any notion of God.
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^ if you just believe (and he doesn't) that'd just dandy. but when you go beyond believing and also state it in an open forum it becomes taunt and subject of acrimony.
^ if you just believe (and he doesn't) that'd just dandy. but when you go beyond believing and also state it in an open forum it becomes taunt and subject of acrimony.
When i sate it in an open forum, it becomes open to criticism. That's it. I am not stopping anyone from criticizing atheism.
Whether i am upset or not, I can still question your religion. Whether tolerant or not, every ideology can be criticised. the point i was trying to make was that I WILL oppose intolerant ideologies- and frankly berating nonbelievers and cursing them **is **intolerance.By repeatedly mocking nonbelievers Islam promotes intolerance of other religions among muslims.
And your welcome to do so. We don't stop you from questioning it. Every ideology has been criticized since its inception. What do you think calling thiests are people having no senses is equivalent to if not berating? The only criticism in Islamic scriptures is for idol/nature worshippers, christians and jews. What are the Christians and Jews criticized for is that they did not preserve their original messages and are now fraught with incorrect ideologies. That is not intolerant but clarification because Islam, Judaism and Christianity all have Abrahamic roots. Its clarification from our perspective about what has gone wrong in their ideology and an invitation to come back and embrace the message about the Oneness of God. As for idol/nature worshippers it simply presents rational against their doing, again that is not intolerance but its a call to wake up.
And one more thing, ideologies are man made such as Athiesm is a man made ideology or philosophy. Belief in God is not an ideology or man made ideology IMO. Ideologies can always be swept under the rug but so far and Inshallah! it will not happen till judgement day, the thiest notion about the existence of God will live. Athiesm is a mere tool people use to run away from the injustices of their society or vengeful pursuit of an early lingering event.
'burn in hell' is not criticism - it is just low class cussing and name calling. Because it is in quran doesn't make it any different.
Criticism is being objective about the truth in something and its merits or fault finding. Telling that someones ideology is flawed is not cussing or name calling, the burn in hell is just the consequence of following the flawed ideology. Differentiate between the connotation of Burn in Hell as it is used today versus what it means in the scriptural context. On the same note I should level the same argument against you when Hinduism says we'll reincarnate in a lower form of life for our misdeeds. We say its the fire for our misdeeds, you say its the rat cage. Now who is criticizing or cussing who?
Criticism is being objective about the truth in something and its merits or fault finding. Telling that someones ideology is flawed is not cussing or name calling, the burn in hell is just the consequence of following the flawed ideology. Differentiate between the connotation of Burn in Hell as it is used today versus what it means in the scriptural context. On the same note I should level the same argument against you when Hinduism says we'll reincarnate in a lower form of life for our misdeeds. We say its the fire for our misdeeds, you say its the rat cage. Now who is criticizing or cussing who?
burn in hell - is cussing whether it was uttered in the dark ages or yesterday.
your comparison doesn't work - "misdeeds" are different from non-believer. Punishment for misdeeds is called justice and that is what Hinduism professes. What quran does is cussing for disagreeing with its point of view.
burn in hell - is cussing whether it was uttered in the dark ages or yesterday.
your comparison doesn't work - "misdeeds" are different from non-believer. Punishment for misdeeds is called justice and that is what Hinduism professes. What quran does is cussing for disagreeing with its point of view.
If you do not want to read texts in their correct connotations I cannot help with that. What you claim that Hinduism professes is exactly what Islam also professes i.e. justice. In Islam denying the existence of God is considered an injustice and the worst of misdeeds. Hinduism stills says its the rat cage, on the same note if someone calls me a rat I should take offense to it as well based on your take for all this. So what does Hinduism say about people who deny its philosophy? What is to become of me according to Hinduism? Please answer this.
actually according to one Hindu scholar, atheists and agnostics are welcome to be themselves. there is no punishment or "burning in hell" kind of concept for non believers or atheists.
There are certain negatives as well as positives in Hinduism too as well as in Islam and all these ancient religions that were developed thousands of years ago. They need to change with the times
reminds me of bill clinton’s “it all depends on what is means”