Do You Have the Entrance Fee for Paradise?

[StirCrasy]

Re: Do You Have the Entrance Fee for Paradise?

@SlaveofAllaah

I say yes Islam has all the things marrying 4 women, taking jizya from non muslims, some verses in the quran which people link it to extremism but does that mean if i dont marry 4 women and dont take jizya will that decrease in submitting my will to God, answer a BIG NO.

After this you come out with any whimsical/illogical comments i have just one comment below your quote

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I agree God is a very personal thing and believers and non-believers should not try to force one's belief on the other.

That said, how can you talk about fairness and in the same breadth follow a religions that does these things you mention in the quoted post? Add to that what Hareem said about having no choice since Quran says non-muslims will burn in hell?

is that something we should take from anyone? come on my friend

[ummm]

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@SlaveofAllaah

By chance if it is will you do anything to change it. Yes i claim it is a whorehouse now what will you do about that. Let me know, i swear you come out with loads of problems please provide solutions to it.

For heavens sake dont start your sh**y crap by commenting dont believe in God (as I come from the clear thinking believing in God is a personal issue) try to be more practical and logical, rather than dementing other faiths, from what I have seen from your earliers post you dont seem be an atheist but a practicing ----- under the veil of an atheist as I have seen loads of my own friends wearing this same viel of atheism but rather its there own folly.

I wanna know if its a whorehouse and if we have to believe in it will you do something about it, I just have one comment to you bro if your married can you go change the belief of your own wife by passing such whimsical, illogical comments, wherein you have your chamchas praising you and guess what these chamchas around are praising you not because they are all atheists or follow any single ideology but praise you, because their modus ope***** is to insult islam.

I wonder how many people demean Islam inclusive of that guy Ali Sinai who is caught red handed on many accounts, living in his own barbie world with some fallacious esoteric group of illogical goons and also has all the time in the world to write his own questions and answers, ask that liar does he remember anything after lying as he contradicts his own statements, none of his illogical goons find that out and I wonder how they claim to be a HERO.

I say yes Islam has all the things marrying 4 women, taking jizya from non muslims, some verses in the quran which people link it to extremism but does that mean if i dont marry 4 women and dont take jizya will that decrease in submitting my will to God, answer a BIG NO.

After this you come out with any whimsical/illogical comments i have just one comment below your quote

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No ideology is above critique, and definitely not those which claim to be perfect and condemns non-believers to hell, regardless of whether they are good or bad.. When we see posts in this forum about how non-believers **are fools, are worse than dogs **I have every right to question your religion. If you don't believe I am an atheist, the world won't be turned upside down.

the funniest thing is that my "whimsical" comments make some people angry.

[ummm]

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@Rocking_vibes

LOL…that’s funny, good enough to tempt muslim males but what about females.

http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan07/muslim_women.htm

I guess they use the same tactic employed against unbelievers- the threat of hell.

[SlaveofAllaah]

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@StirCrasy

I agree God is a very personal thing and believers and non-believers should not try to force one's belief on the other.

That said, how can you talk about fairness and in the same breadth follow a religions that does these things you mention in the quoted post? Add to that what Hareem said about having no choice since Quran says non-muslims will burn in hell?

is that something we should take from anyone? come on my friend

Let me make it clear who says that non-muslims will burn in hell its the Quran and obviously non-muslims should not bother much about it, coz they dont believe in the Quran.

So according to you and me, let me be very clear I know you will burn in hell because i refer the Quran does that mean you believe the same.

Hareem and I have the same ideology due to a very common reason thats the Quran but does the same rule apply to you no, so according to me you should not be bothered.

If Quran says that non-muslims will burn in hell and you dont believe in it just dont bother much about it, and in the same fervor i should be hardly bothered when christians say I will go to hell/Jews say I will go to hell because i dont believe in the bible/talmud/torah, so it hardly bothers to me atleast.

So in the same breadth, it applies to you because the Quran says so, and its not the comment of HAREEM its the world of Allaah.

So enjoy and lets see what will happen after death. What say?

What i mean to say is have a clear demarcation in what you believe, and if you personally feel what you believe is 100% correct just throw everything into the dust bin.

[SlaveofAllaah]

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@ummm

No ideology is above critique, and definitely not those which claim to be perfect and condemns non-believers to hell, regardless of whether they are good or bad.. When we see posts in this forum about how non-believers are fools, are worse than dogs **I have every right to question your religion. If **you don't believe I am an atheist, the world won't be turned upside down.

the funniest thing is that my "whimsical" comments make some people angry.

Is the same with you, right if anyone believes in Quran and you wanna condemn it in the same tone the world wont be turned upside down.

Regarding the other part of the post DISMISSED.

[ummm]

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@SlaveofAllaah

Is the same with you, right if anyone believes in Quran and you wanna condemn it in the same tone the world wont be turned upside down.

Regarding the other part of the post DISMISSED.

I don’t need to turn the World upside down. I don’t claim to be a Prophet(although some Gods like stir are interested, I am yet to recieve the appointment letter). I condemn every intolerant ideology- this is a discussion forum and I have the right to challenge someone’s claims who calls me and others like me foolish and evil.

OKEY. I guess we have nothing more to say to each other.

[SlaveofAllaah]

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^ Sahi chal raho hain, i hope first you understand how tolerant you are, then comment about others. As expected when explanation was needed from your side, you have shown your true colors, of turning the tables.

Somones talking about tolerance, and comparing that to being evil.

Anyways this was last of your illogical claims again. I am sure you will never answer, i have put my point across and I am satisfied.

See you in other threads, but not with illogical or whimsical comments.

[StirCrasy]

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@SlaveofAllaah

Let me make it clear who says that non-muslims will burn in hell its the Quran and obviously non-muslims should not bother much about it, coz they dont believe in the Quran.

So according to you and me, let me be very clear I know you will burn in hell because i refer the Quran does that mean you believe the same.

Hareem and I have the same ideology due to a very common reason thats the Quran but does the same rule apply to you no, so according to me you should not be bothered.

If Quran says that non-muslims will burn in hell and you dont believe in it just dont bother much about it, and in the same fervor i should be hardly bothered when christians say I will go to hell/Jews say I will go to hell because i dont believe in the bible/talmud/torah, so it hardly bothers to me atleast.

So in the same breadth, it applies to you because the Quran says so, and its not the comment of HAREEM its the world of Allaah.

So enjoy and lets see what will happen after death. What say?

What i mean to say is have a clear demarcation in what you believe, and if you personally feel what you believe is 100% correct just throw everything into the dust bin.

that would have been a clever attempt but the underlying problem remains and in fact gets worse -

• if that is what your quran says, then you have succinctly proved that the claims of islam being a peaceful religion to be false. can you handle that?

• it also lays flat the claim that only the ‘extremists’ and the jihadists are to be faulted and that their idea of islam is false!

• finally, what kind of god would force his own creation to either believe in him or burn in hell? that is a crude insult on God and not clever at all

ps: what’s with the ‘dismissed’ stuff? you as the accused don’t get to say it, the judge does that!

[USResident]

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@ummm

I condemn every intolerant ideology- this is a discussion forum and I have the right to challenge someone’s claims who calls me and others like me foolish and evil.

OKEY. I guess we have nothing more to say to each other.

Intolerant of other ideologies. And I suppose you are very tolerant of the notion that God exists. Before blaming others of being intolerant you should look outside you own cuccoon. At present your ideology assumes more than 4/5 majority of the world population is self-dellusional and idiotic.

[StirCrasy]

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^ I know you addressed it at someone else but talking of tolerance, can someone clarify following:

• does quran say non-believers and / or idol worshipers will burn in hell?

• if so how can a religion based on that be claimed as peaceful?

As to paradise, I know for a fact that the entrance fee is $20

[indopak]

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if Hindu scriptures sent non-hindus to burn in the fiery pits of hell, then there would be mutual hell sending by both Hindus and Muslims, so then there wouldn't be conflicts between the two. There won't be an imbalance of hell sending see??

If Hindu scriptures could be edited and would make it so non-hindus had to convert in order to marry a Hindu, then again we would have lesser conflicts. There would be mutual conversions and nobody would feel like they're getting the short end of the stick.

[StirCrasy]

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^ wouldn't it be easier to just make Islam another caste within Hinduism? same effect will be achieved. I even have a name for it - HiSlam

[indopak]

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@StirCrasy

^ wouldn’t it be easier to just make Islam another caste within Hinduism? same effect will be achieved. I even have a name for it - HiSlam

[SlaveofAllaah]

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@StirCrasy

that would have been a clever attempt but the underlying problem remains and in fact gets worse -

• if that is what your quran says, then you have succinctly proved that the claims of islam being a peaceful religion to be false. can you handle that?

• it also lays flat the claim that only the ‘extremists’ and the jihadists are to be faulted and that their idea of islam is false!

• finally, what kind of god would force his own creation to either believe in him or burn in hell? that is a crude insult on God and not clever at all

ps: what’s with the ‘dismissed’ stuff? you as the accused don’t get to say it, the judge does that!

Stircrasy,

Pleae re-read my post.

Regarind the dismissed comment: I think you have watched the movie Judge Dredd i hope thats the one Sylvester Stallone comments ‘** I DONT MAKE THE LAW I AM THE LAW’**

Regarding hell or heaven it is present in all the major religious scriptures this is not the point of argument.

My arugment is i believe you as a non-muslim will go to hell accoridng to the Quran, but well you dont believe in it. Am i right YES or NO.

On the contrary, if in the bible/torah it says me as a Muslim will go to hell i dont bother because i dont believe in it.

Remember believing and being tolerant are two different terms, me being tolerant towards you or my own friends does not mean i believe in there ideologies in totality.

I cant explain anything more than this, in case you wanna argue after this i give up. Because i have written from a muslim pov, you are kind of fighting over it as if, if that particular statement wasnt there in the Quran you would be MUSLIM next moment.

Would you be a MUSLIM in that case. Remember until now i havent claimed the scriptures of bible/torah are wrong i mentioned i dont believe in them but i respect and i am tolerant towards their religion.

KHALLAS, so tell me Stircrasy where will you go hell or heaven. From a Muslim pov me, and I believing in the Quran i myself dont know whether i will go to hell or heaven.

[SlaveofAllaah]

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@USResident

Missed you for a longtime Bro.

Hmmmm, i do not find enough time but was very much active reading what was happening around.

[StirCrasy]

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@SlaveofAllaah

Stircrasy,

Pleae re-read my post.

Regarind the dismissed comment: I think you have watched the movie Judge Dredd i hope thats the one Sylvester Stallone comments '** I DONT MAKE THE LAW I AM THE LAW'**

You're the one that said 'dismissed'. I'll let you decide who has the Sly complex then.

@SlaveofAllaah

Regarding hell or heaven it is present in all the major religious scriptures this is not the point of argument.

My arugment is i believe you as a non-muslim will go to hell accoridng to the Quran, but well you dont believe in it. Am i right YES or NO.

On the contrary, if in the bible/torah it says me as a Muslim will go to hell i dont bother because i dont believe in it.

Remember believing and being tolerant are two different terms, me being tolerant towards you or my own friends does not mean i believe in there ideologies in totality.

I cant explain anything more than this, in case you wanna argue after this i give up. Because i have written from a muslim pov, you are kind of fighting over it as if, if that particular statement wasnt there in the Quran you would be MUSLIM next moment.

So why do you want to argue our objections to the quranic statement? a) you are not denying quran says that b)you are not addressing the charge of hypocrisy that results in then claiming it to be a peaceful religion and c) and on top of that if you think we should not worry about each others belief, then why does it bother you that someone else believes that a & b should be debated? you believe it shouldn't be debated, then don't!

@SlaveofAllaah

Would you be a MUSLIM in that case. Remember until now i havent claimed the scriptures of bible/torah are wrong i mentioned i dont believe in them but i respect and i am tolerant towards their religion.

KHALLAS, so tell me Stircrasy where will you go hell or heaven. From a Muslim pov me, and I believing in the Quran i myself dont know whether i will go to hell or heaven.

I am in heaven and the greatness of Sanathana Dharma has informed me that I make my own hell or heaven going forward. So why the heck would I look at anything else?

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So now you give me a Yes/No answer as I obliged you.

1) Does the Quran say non-believers of islam will go to hell?

2) If it does then shouldn't it be considered wrong to claim Islam as a religion of peace

[SlaveofAllaah]

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@USResident

Intolerant of other ideologies. And I suppose you are very tolerant of the notion that God exists. Before blaming others of being intolerant you should look outside you own cuccoon. At present your ideology assumes more than 4/5 majority of the world population is self-dellusional and idiotic.

Are nahi yaar, ummm is trying really hard to become a MUSLIM you now how???

Ummm says according to him if Islam was a tolerant religion, he would be MUSLIM.

Analogy is 'if someone rapes a female, she should be tolerant', if she is tolerant then umm respects her and if she is not tolerant he condemns her.

You are missing out a major point there is a thin line between tolerance and intolerance, the day he gets to know islam is a tolerant religion he will become a MUSLIM.

Another ideology is if Iraqis were tolerant towards US's regime then he respects them and he does not respect them now because they are intolerant.

Please please please read the last one 'if the Indian subcontinent were tolerant towards the British rule he would respect the Indian subcontinent, but since Indian subcontinent were intolerant he condemns them'.

His logic is pretty simple if religion is tolerant i follow that religion and if its not i condemn. I respect his wonderful thoughts and illogical statements.

[SlaveofAllaah]

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@StirCrasy

**You're the one that said 'dismissed'. I'll let you decide who has the Sly complex then.

So why do you want to argue our objections to the quranic statement? a) you are not denying quran says that b)you are not addressing the charge of hypocrisy that results in then claiming it to be a peaceful religion and c) and on top of that if you want to worry about each others belief, then why does it bother you that someone else believes that a & b should be debated? you believe it shouldn't be debated, then don't!

I am in heaven and the greatness of Sanathana Dharma has informed me that I make my own hell or heaven going forward. So why the heck would I look at anything else?

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So now you give me a Yes/No answer as I obliged you.

1) Does the Quran say non-believers of islam will go to hell?

2) If it does then shouldn't it be considered wrong to claim Islam as a religion of peace

1) Yes. (But that does not mean me believing in islam, i will get a free ticket to heaven)

2) Define peace

So anymore to ask i will be pretty curt.

other statments** DISMISSED**

[SlaveofAllaah]

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Stircrasy another point

If you believe Islam is not a peaceful religion then I am happy because I believe its a peaceful religion.

Even if you feel Islam is the worst religion I am still happy, because I believe its the best religion.

But that does not mean, i catch hold of you and tell you please please pleaase tell me its a peaceful religion i wont. But guess what i will still respect you as a human and will treat you as my good friend.

[indopak]

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how could somebody be friends with someone who openly and strongly believes that his friends are destined to go to hell. I don't understand such extreme ways of thinking including the extreme atheist way of thinking. So every time you look at your non-muslim friends you see them burning in hell??

Ouch! I guess the feelings of non-muslim humans don't really matter.