Do you find any part of Quran interesting & intriguing when you read its translation?

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it seems as if a bus has hit you and your aql has been lost

another example of the sahaba being refered to as believers:

MKhan: Indeed, Allah was pleased with the believers when they gave the Bai'ah (pledge) to you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) under the tree: He knew what was in their hearts, and He sent down As-Sakinah (calmness and tranquillity) upon them, and He rewarded them with a near victory.

they are almumineena and it is from Allah SWT

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Bro I was trying to make a conclusion from what you were telling me.

I am saying that ALLAH tells that he has made a deal with some people. Then he gives details on those believers ALLAH has made deal with. One of the condition that apply is they kill on way of ALLAH and then get killed.

how can apply to someone who doesnt even meet all the conditons ALLAH applys.

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This is verse number 18 of chapter Al Fath. Try to read the former 17 verses of the same chapter as they were revealed as a set at the time of Hudaybia. I will point towards a few things such as verse number 10 which says,

[48:10] Verily those who plight their fealty to thee do no less than plight their fealty to Allah: the Hand of Allah is over their hands: then any one who violates his oath, does so to the harm of his own soul, and any one who fulfils what he has covenanted with Allah,- Allah will soon grant him a great Reward.

the bolded part indicates that there are some who may violate the oath. And some did indeed break the oath made to the Prophet (saww) at Ridwan. Some very soon by balantly refusing the orders of the Prophet (saww) to perform rights of Umrah and some violated it later on such as at Hunayn when Prophet (saww) was left alone in the battlefield.

[48:18] Allah's Good Pleasure was on the Believers when they swore Fealty to thee under the Tree: He knew what was in their hearts, and He sent down Tranquillity to them; and He rewarded them with a speedy Victory;

Believers among who swore allegiance under the tree had peace and Tranquillity sent upon them. But as soon as Prophet (saww) signed Hudaybia treaty then some of the very same people clearly lacked tranquility. Some to the extent that they showed anger to the Prophet (saww). Sahi Bukhari records Umar bin Khattab to have confronted Prophet (saww). Umar is recorded in Bukhari to have admitted that he did not doubt the Prophethood of the Prophet (saww) as much as he did at the time of Hudaybia (during his reign as caliph he ordered the tree of Ridwan be cut off and destroyed). Number of sahabas who pledged allegiance under the tree considered the treaty to Meccans as a sign of defeat and humiliation despite the promise of Allah (swt) declaring Ridwan fealty a comprehensive victory (verse # 1). So one could see why Allah's pleasure, peace, and tranquility was not for everyone but for those whl believed the promise of Allah (swt) and the actions of His messenger(saww).

Again there are many other things to demonstrate this point. I am trying to stay exclusively with the Quran. Otherwise one need not to look far to understand the concept regarding sahaba of the Prophet (saww) for scholars/historians of all the schools of Islam have categorized Sahabas into various categories (there are as many as 9) for obvious reasons. Staying with the Holy Quran, I can provide verses from my side too if you are keen to study this subject. Wsalam.

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imo the verse speaks to include both who are shaheed and the vetrans. the purchase part is not being killed or fighting alone but submission to Allah SWT. ie those submitted to Allah SWT (swapped this worlds treasures for the hereafter) and they follow the complete deen.

now because life is a test and it is NOT easy to get into heaven, the test of fighting for the cause is further emphasised. it really tests our BELIEF and level of submission. ie they kill and are killed

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I have just tidied up my post # 43.

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with the permission of Allah, i will reply to your falsehood and distortion later

but until then

MKhan: Indeed, Allah was pleased with the believers when they gave the Bai'ah (pledge) to you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) under the tree: He knew what was in their hearts, and He sent down As-Sakinah (calmness and tranquillity) upon them, and He rewarded them with a near victory.

what is the depth of Allah SWT's knowledge of what was in the hearts of those who pledged under the tree?

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Please rephrase the question if you may so I could understand it better.

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All Praise be to Allah

Allah SWT has not allowed the Quran to enter the hearts of the rawafid because they ask for misguidance by not following the messenger SAW of Allah SWT

MKhan: Verily, those who give Bai'ah (pledge) to you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) they are giving Bai'ah (pledge) to Allah. The Hand of Allah is over their hands. Then whosoever breaks his pledge, breaks it only to his own harm; and whosoever fulfils what he has covenanted with Allah, He will bestow on him a great reward.

lets break this down for those bankrupt of good intentions

**Verily, those who give Bai'ah (pledge) to you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) they are giving Bai'ah (pledge) to Allah.
**current context

**The Hand of Allah is over their hands.
**wow what an honour

Then whosoever breaks his pledge, breaks it only to his own harm;
this is fair and almumineena are pleased with Allah SWT as he is with them

**and whosoever fulfils what he has covenanted with Allah, He will bestow on him a great reward.
**wheres the reward? here:

Indeed, Allah was pleased with the believers when they gave the Bai'ah (pledge) to you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) under the tree: He knew what was in their hearts, and He sent down As-Sakinah (calmness and tranquillity) upon them, and He rewarded them with a near victory.

paglu mentioned 48:11 and never quoted it, and he knows why

right paglu, the question must be asked from you if you truely believe in the quran as the words of Allah azzawajjal? this is an honest question (no hatred)

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To be honest this is getting a little comical. I had adviced you to read all the first few verses of Suratul Al Fath. I had actually skipped verse # 11 in my post with a thought that may be you may read it on your own and correct your ideas about all the Sahabas being the believers. But since you insist, here is verse # 11:

[48:11] The desert Arabs who lagged behind will say to thee: "We were engaged in (looking after) our flocks and herds, and our families: do thou then ask forgiveness for us." They say with their tongues what is not in their hearts. Say: "Who then has any power at all (to intervene) on your behalf with Allah, if His Will is to give you some loss or to give you some profit? But Allah is well acquainted with all that ye do.

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youve been around long enough to know what the definition of a sahabi is. Allah SWT has differentiated in the verses, i dont see your point.

rather then point to ayats, make your point here so that everyone may see it

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I have made enough points already. If you have any relevant questions regarding them then please go ahead with the discussion. Wasalam.

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Every Ayyah of Quran is interesting Subhanallah but I like Surah Maryam’s ayaat 1 through 33. And especially when Hazrat Issa A.H. explained himeslf are really nice verses

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in aayaat pe maiN ro paRaa thaa…Isa [a.s.]Allah ne kin saaf alfaaz meN apnaa ta’arruf karvaayaa hai…saare avhaam door! subHaan Allah :slight_smile:

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The best introduction KKF SUBHANALLAH

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[Yusufali 19:30] He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;
[Yusufali 19:31] "And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live;
[Yusufali 19:32] "(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable;
[Yusufali 19:33] “So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)”!

very beautiful verses…great point in verse 33 where Isa AS say that peace b upon the day he is born and the day he die…shows the the significance of the day of birth and death particularly since how sum Muslims call other Muslims who commemorate Prophet Mohammad’s day of birth or death as mushriks…may Allah open their minds and hearts…

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[Shakir 9:111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain; a promise which is binding on Him in the Taurat and the Injeel and the Quran; and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? Rejoice therefore in the pledge which you have made; and that is the mighty achievement.
[Pickthal 9:111] Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs:** they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain*. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.
*[Yusufali 9:111]** Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise):** they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain**: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

My friend, if that AND was OR you wud have had made more sense. Seems like you r pushing Quran to meet what you like not pushing your likes to What Quran says.

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i am open to other (reasonable) interpretations. i wrote a big IMO. there certainly will be more wisdom in the verse then what i can pick up, thats where the scholars come in

i am not interpretating the 'AND' as an 'OR'. I am interpretating some aspects as a unitised single group and some aspects as cause and consequence of individual merit

also going by what your saying, the promise mentioned in this verse would exclude those who did not kill before being killed

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[quote="shardmanny"]

i am open to other (reasonable) interpretations. i wrote a big IMO. there certainly will be more wisdom in the verse then what i can pick up, thats where the scholars come in

i am not interpretating the 'AND' as an 'OR'. I am interpretating some aspects as a unitised single group and some aspects as cause and consequence of individual merit

also going by what your saying, the promise mentioned in this verse would exclude those who did not kill before being killed/QUOTE].

Thanks for Understanding.

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MKhan: *Indeed, Allah was pleased with the believers when they gave the Bai'ah (pledge) to you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) under the tree: He knew what was in their hearts, and He sent down As-Sakinah (calmness and tranquillity) upon them, and He rewarded them with a near victory
*

Here again the pledge taken from the Companions at Hudaibiyah has been mentioned. This is called Bai 'at Ridwan. for Allah in this verse has given the good news that he became well pleased with those who on this dangerous occasion did not show the least hesitation in offering their lives for the cause of Islam and gave an express proof of their being true in their faith by taking the pledge on the hand of the Holy Prophet. The Muslims at this time were equipped only with a sword each. numbered only 1,400, were unprepared for warfare, but were donning the pilgrim garments, were 25 miles away from their military headquarters (Madinah), while the enemy's stronghold (Makkah) where from it could get any kind of help was just 13 miles off. Had these people been lacking in their sincerity of Allah and His Messenger and His Religion in any degree, they would have abandoned the Messenger on this extremely dangerous occasion, and Islam would have been vanquished for ever. Apart from their own sincerity there was no external pressure under which they might have been compelled to take the pledge. Their becoming ready at that time to fight in the cause of Allah's Religion regardless of the dangers, is a clear proof that they were true and sincere in their Faith and loyal to the cause of Allah and His Messenger in the highest degree. That is why Allah honored them with this certificate of His good pleasure. Now if some one becomes angry with them after they have been honored with this certificate of Allah's good pleasure, or slanders and vilifies them, his enmity is with Allah, not with them. Those who say that at that time when Allah honored them with this certificate of His good pleasure, they were sincere, but afterwards they became disloyal to Allah and His Messenger, perhaps harbor a mistrust about Allah that while sending down this verse He was unaware of their future; therefore, He awarded them this warrant only in view of their state at that time, and probably due to the same unawareness inscribed this verse in His Holy Book as well so that afterwards also, when those people have turned disloyal, the world should continue reading this verse about them and praising the knowledge of the unseen of that Allah Who, God forbid, had granted these faithless and disloyal people the warrant of His good pleasure.