Do you favour a province newly named pakhtunistan and..

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Very true and you cant trust anyone.. thanks to their brothers from across the least-respected-durrand-line, we have enough drugs, arms and robbery to completely destroy the state quaid dreamt of so confidently. Well, he preserved the Indian muslims from Hindoos and Sikhs but forgot the jaahils on the western side.. I am always for Pakistan and regional interests although my mom comes from Bannu near Peshawar and is a Pakhtun but ma'an, damn on these Afghans!

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This obsession of decalaring zaat paat every single time gotta go…First you are muslim and then Pakistani and thats about it :rolleyes:
But since word NWFP sounds very odd and it is not even a name, yes it should be changed to Pashtunistan. I would have never said it if the majority was not pathan, but since they are, other minorities should not have a problem with that. That area is very much in need for an identity name and it should be given. But all the talk about taking the punjab areas and re-naming is all BS. Leave that alone.

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My suggestion: United States of Pakistan:

Pakhtun areas of NWFP should be merged with FATA to form Pakhtunkhwa (or whatever the inhabitants of the region want to name it). Hindku areas of Punjab and NWFP should be joined to form a new state/province. Northern area, Kashmir, Pothohar region, Central Punjab, Siraiki region, Karachi, Sindh, Northern Balochistan, Central Balochistan, Gawadar are going to be new states.

United states of Pakistan. I’m going to join democratic party and contest a senate seat. :jhanda:

Regards,

Senator Amorphous (House majority leader).

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ofcourse for people who cant care less,, its no big issue, yeah its punjab, everythings fine... but the question is simple,, why should it be a part of punjab? like ive explained above, and like Faruk Khan has said,,, to us its a big deal,, everyone has their own way of looking at things, and we take our roots and heritage seriously. It has nothing to do with us being superior or inferior or being any less Pakistani. Its about basic identity, every race has a difference identity, and we know what ours is, and we know which province we belong to. Why are we even talking about partitions and Afghans in here??? its about NWFP and Attock and Mianwali, and we have stated logical reasons.... now to say oh but ur a musim and then a pakistani, and thats it,,, thats a load of rubbish... We arent talking about Patrotism here.... Its about heritage and identity and we'd like to keep it alive and where it belongs. Punjab is a separate land with a different language and culture... keeping these areas with Punjab makes no sense at all.

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*Qameez teri kali...... *(O sorry, I was listening to Ataulla Isakhelwi. He is from Mianwali. Siraiki?)

Coming back to the topic.... I do care. Non-Pashtun areas must not be included in any Pakhtunistan project. People should stop coming up with new handles to show the 'popularity' of the project.

North of Balochistan can never be included in any Pakhtunistan project. Go see Baloch Nationalists for further information. Inform us about your meetings if you are lucky enough to get back in one piece.

Attock and Mianwali must not be included in Pakhtunistan project because they are not Pashtun areas. Niazi (based in Lahore in some cases) are politically strong, but I have never heard any real 'demand' on the part of people or political leaders of the areas that they want to be included in any Pakhtonistan.

No hindko areas of NWFP should be included in Pakhtunistan. If you discourage even social contact between different ethnic sub-groups of Pakistan because you fear some sort of assimilation, you should be man enough to distance yourself from the ethnic sub-groups within your own area. Or is it their land? Strategically important projects and strong infrastructure? By the way, Kashmiri-Punjabi prime minister based in Lahore used to win big from Haripur. I don't think they mind any social contact after all. Federal government should stop appeasing any Pakhtunistani remnants' hunger by suggesting the inclusion of Kalabagh etc. in NWFP.

No northern area for the grand project either! They are not Pashtuns.

So what do we have here? We have a narrow stretch of land (including FATA) along the Pak-Afghan border. What name do you suggest for pure race land? Pakhtunistan? Why would I have any objection? It's your land.

Mind having some social interaction with other groups?

Assi kerni ne reait, teno le jana Mianwali. Kameez teri Kaliiii...

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Why should the Hindko-speaking Hazara region be part of NWFP/Pakhtunkwa? Also, why should seraiki-majority D I Khan and non-Pakhtun speaking districts like Chitral and Kohistan be included in this province?

The 5 million non-Pakhtun speakers of NWFP, have their own languages, heritage, identities and crucially historically defined territories as well. I see very little reason why they should be part of the Pakhtunkwa project, and should be separated from NWFP to create their own regions, or merge with other provinces.

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Your concern for Hindko speakers is touching..but frankly the decision has nothing to do with people from other provinces..it’s an internal matter and the resolution was passed almost unanimously..(many of it’s biggest supporters were Hindko speakers from peshawar and kohat, many of the Kohistanis supported it as well and the seraiki speakers have not ever made an issue out of it so putting an ethnic angle on it is just a figment of a lot of peoples imagination)..there was no objection in a single protest of any significance in the province except one isolated one in abbotabad back in 1997…most of the pathan bashing that followed the renaming resolution was done by the urdu press in lahore and not by hindko speakers in hazara.

If using ethnic names for provinces offends you so much ..try renaming your domiciled one to something else..

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Zakk, your concern for Pakhtunistan supporters is more touching (as is your concern for Okara farm workers), but frankly, decision has nothing to do with people from other countries. It's an internal matter. And what resolution you're talking about? The one before 1997 election that failed to pass or the one after 1997 election that was 'unanimously' adopted by ANP and other anti-PML parties? If I remember correctly, PML (under Nawaz Sharif) had most seats in the provincial assembly. (Correct me if I'm wrong). Not wanting to anger Hazrat Wali Khan, the biggest party, PML, abstained from voting, ensuring almost 'unanimous' passage of bill. The proposed name was Pakhtoonkhwa, not Pakhtunistan which was a figment of Hazrat Bacha Khan's imagination. Frankly, I don't care what Pakhtuns want to name thier Pakhtun area. But don't try to tell us how Hindko areas, Attock, Minwali, North Balochistan are integral parts of your Pakhtunistan project. Pakhtuns and non-Pakhtuns of NWFP have every right to change the name of their province if a majority of people (even Hindko and Siraiki etc.) support this move. Not through half-baked 'unanimous' resolutions. And if someone wants Pakhtunistan, they can have it in the narrow strip of land right next to Afghanistan. No non-Pakhtun in Pakhtunistan project.

Punjab and Sindh are not named after some Punjabwali or Sindwali. Punjab means Punj-aab = 5 rivers. I don't care if federal government changes the names to North East Frontier Province or South East Frontier Province.

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odd I counted less rivers nowadays are you planning on a name change? and pray tell what un half baked way do you prefer? or is the only right way a way which you agree with?

Perhaps you prefer the kalabagh way where the opposing resolution was passed a hundred times and still ignored..your obsession with what is a provincial local issue reflects your own superiority complex and has nothing to do with rights of hindko speakers or anyone else..

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That is correct.

The PML Nawaz and Junejo parties, who had almost two dozen MPA's (about 30% of the membership) in the NWFP assembly between them abstained in the 'Pakhtunkwa Resolution' vote. Almost all the members elected from the Hindko-speaking Hazara region belonged to the PML Nawaz, while the Saifullah brothers of the Junejo league are Pashtuns.

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Hindko and Siraiki speaking people have no problem with remerging Attock and Mianwali with NWFP or renaming NWFP to Pashtunistan because a lot of Hindko and Seraiki speaking people are paternally of Pashtun descent and have a strong sense of affiliation with their Pashtun tribes and yearn to get back in touch with their ancestral identity.

The Hindko and Seraiki speaking people who are not of Pashtun tribes are a minority and except for a few even they are willingly embracing the Pashtun identity and we welcome them with open arms into our ethnicity.

Just for the records I know I was previously of the view that lineage does not determine ethnicity and only culture (of which language being the main component) does but I have changed my opinion, anyone who can trace their lineage to a known Pashtun tribe is a Pashtun if he identifies himself as such but I still believe that people can convert into an ethnicity by adopting the culture (language, traditions, values).

I think Kaka Atom is one of the Pashtuns who speaks Hindko but is of a Pashtun tribe and he is for the remerging of his district back to NWFP, I have cousins in Attock and they feel a greater affiliation with the NWFP than the rest of Punjab.

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Pakhtunistan or NWFP, The name does not matter. Make Pashto the official language of pakistan along with sindhi, punjabi, seraiki, balochi, khowar, balti, brohui, and whatever else. Why should we give our mother tongues up? what is pakistani culture? to be quite honest we are having an identity crisis. Give us our rights and let us retain and preserve our cultures. I dont want my kids to speak urdu, i want them to speak pashto. 58 years of independance and we really are no where as a nation. our basic rights are not even given to us. Im proud to be pakistani but my people were pashtun 2000 years ago, we are pashtuns today and inshalla we will be pashtuns in the future, not urdu. Nationalites and boarders have always been changing and will continue to, but my heritage is something no one can take away.

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If north of Baluchistan joins Pakhtunkawa, then the likes of Nawab Bugti will be demoralized and there will not be a new Bugti in the region. Plus we also have to make the durrand line a reality so that loads of trash doesnt drain in from Afghanistan.

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Silly Billy, thanks for the details.

Zakk, Zakk, Zakk, you are intelligent enough to understand what I am trying to say. But in case, someone has misconstrued my words, here is the explanation.

Are we talking about a provincial or local issue here? No. My friend, Afghan Prince is not talking about merely renaming the province. He’s probably talking about a grand project Pakhtunistan encompassing the areas of other provinces.

Should NWFP be renamed? Personally, I say, yes. (Although it may not make much difference in practical terms, but ‘Sarhad’ sounds distasteful). But the decision has to be taken primarily by the provincial populace.

What ‘half-baked’ way I prefer? The way the ordinary people of Pakhtunkhwa or NWFP prefer. If the next assembly (not some military era or reactionary assembly) decides to change the name of Pakhtunkwa -with a convincing majority from all ethnic subgroups supporting the move- I have no right whatsoever to oppose it. As a Pakistani, I have opinions, but I can not impose them on even the people of ‘my’ area, let alone the people of ‘other’ areas. So that’s about my superiority.

I do not like the name Pakhtunistan or Pashtunistan for the province because it has some negative historical connotations for Pakistan. And while I see a gradual consensus developing about renaming the province, I do not see much support (even from the concerned area) for renaming it to Pashtunistan. However, that’s a decision the people of the province have to make through their elected representatives. They may like to consider some other names as well.

KBD: umm, please, don’t turn it into another you-are-evil thread. I have posted my views on KBD more than once. I don’t remember supporting any high-handedness. Neither have I shown any support for dismissing the decisions of assemblies, no matter how ‘people-friendly’ they actually are.

No hard feelings…

I have some ‘Siraiki blood’ running in my veins. Also, one of my relatives told me that one side of my family has strong connection with Afghanistan. I laughed it off. But now you can call me Amorphous Khan. :snooty:

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For your information amorphous, most of the Hinkdo speakers arent actually native hindko speakers, they were pakhtuns a few generations back and because of this merge with punjab, and because of the local language being hindko/Punjabi/Pashto and geographically being very close to punjab, people slowly picked hindko up because of its strong ties to Punjabi. Speaking hindko does not change ur heritage and background. So keep ur 'no non pakhtuns in pukhtunistan' rant to yourself. Hindko actually originated only because of the geographical closeness to Punjab.... the majority of the current hindko speakers infact are Pakhtuns. In a lot of cases they speak both hindko and Pashto. I myself cannot speak Pashto, even my hindko is pretty crap. I speak a better Punjabi cos I have many Punjabi friends and have lived most of my life in Punjab. My brother on the other hand speaks fluent Pashto, my cousins all speak pashto, mum speaks pashto.... so what makes you think whoever lives in a Hindko speaking area is a non Pakhtun???

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Okay, atom bum jee! I don't want to treat people like 'commodity' that you own or I own. But you shouldn't fear my 'no non-Pakhtun in Pakhtunistan' rant, as you have very convincingly proved that Hindko people are Pashtuns, though unfortunately a little soiled due to the uninhibited interaction with the lowly races residing in the immediate vicinity. (You should heed 'no-social-contact' warning of Afghan prince, whom you're dying to support, and must cease your friendships with Punjabi people without further delay). To arrest this pestilential trend, a separate area with the name of Pakhtunistan should be carved out as early as possible. Hindko areas, Mianwali, Attock, Baloshistan, Northern areas, Rawalpindi/Islamabad, Kashmir should be handed over to the Pakhtunistan rulers on a platter. They are all Pashtun areas (or will be in a few years). South Balochistan should also be given to Pakhtunistan as a deed of gift. This will allow the unfearing proud people to live independently without ever coming into infectious social contact with the odious tribes/races who have been racially tarnished 'beyond repair' by their centuries old reckless contacts with Dravidians.

Happy?

Now, I, a dark short Dravidian, will excuse myself from this thread as I have already been accused of an unhealthy obsession with Pashtunistan, which, in the words of an esteemed guppy, is none of my business. Do not forget to drop me a pm when the final boundaries of Pashtnuistan have been finalized, lest I should step over line to find myself blown into smithereens by the valorous tribes.

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Nice attempt at sarcasm. I would advise you to stick to a serious debate instead. Anyone who goes and reads your initial posts can sense the bigotry and a false sense of superiorityor some sort of twisted complex from your posts and not mine, so please refrain from hinting that I am the one who considers himself superior to the 'lowly races' residing in the area I belong to. Do not twist my words or translate my posts to suit your needs. I do not tolerate racists and I do not tolerate people who call me one. Your response very clearly shows your single track mentality. Sorry but not everyone thinks like you. Now whether you are a dark dravidian or a white negro, it doesnt bother me one bit, just find another excuse to be stupid next time cos your skin colour doesnt give you the right to be stupid OR racist.

My post was only in response to your post and your comments about 'No Non-Pakhtuns in Pakhtunistan'. It was only to clarify to you that many Hindko speakers are Pakhtuns as well. Nowhere did I mention anything about anyone being superior or inferior to anyone. We only have you to thank for that unfortunately.

Oh, and by the way, I do NOT support a 'No Social Contact'. Its plain stupid and so are you for believing I am dying to support anyone without first asking me. I support the idea of Attock and Mianwali being a part of NWFP and NWFP named Pakhtunistan. Nothing more. So keep your assumptions to yourself, and please, feel free to apologize for being an ass. I am a forgiver. God bless.

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hahahaha

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Interesting conversation... Name the NWFP whatever the Pathans want it to be named. No debate in this matter. Its a non issue. The Pathans have the right to call their province what they want, its not even open to debate.
As for Mianwali and Attock, who really cares which province they go to, let them go where they want, its neither a loss nor a gain for Pakistan.

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I feel there is nothing wrong in changing the name of NWFP. Pakhtunistan sounds good. I also heard of one purposed name Afghania.